Post by: bowlerdawg on November 23, 2009, 09:07:50 AM
All the other stuff going on w/ format changes and blah, blah, blah is one thing, but I just can't get up for these shows that aren't live.
kinda like kissing your sister imo
LAME plus they are canceling stops, because proprietors can't pay the PBA the 80 thousand dollars for the " opportunity " to " host "
WTF get over yourselves PBA
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Post by: Russell on November 23, 2009, 09:20:29 PM
Yeah PBA get over yourselves...you should take more of the money you don't have and pay a center to host your events. Then they could pay the winners a bucket of chicken and a free hot dog.
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Post by: LotsaBalls on November 23, 2009, 09:26:23 PM
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kinda like kissing your sister imo
Would you know this from experience?
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Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 07:14:33 AM
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Dumbest....post.....ever
Yeah PBA get over yourselves...you should take more of the money you don't have and pay a center to host your events. Then they could pay the winners a bucket of chicken and a free hot dog.
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so your saying the PBA is financially strapped ?
poor poor pitiful PBA ? is that what you are saying ?
the jist of your message is lost in your idiocy
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Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 07:15:40 AM
quote:Quotekinda like kissing your sister imo
Would you know this from experience?
is it really that difficult to use the quote function properly on this site ? apparently it is...........you are in league w/ russell
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Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 07:15:54 AM
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Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 07:19:42 AM
I just find myself not interested in these broadcast compared to watching a live event
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Post by: stopncrank on November 24, 2009, 07:32:25 AM
I guess we should be thankful we still have bowling to watch, with the current situation it could be worse. But i will say that when the PBA sticks it to the players like they did in Detroit (withholding payouts for over a month!), i find it very hard to take up for anything the PBA brass does these days. Without the players, their would be no PBA. Those guys are already scratching by to begin with, then making them wait for almost a month to get paid, sounds like the PBA is worse off than we thought, so we may not have anything to complain about before too long.
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Post by: stopncrank on November 24, 2009, 07:37:08 AM
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Instead of venting here, why not e-mail the PBA and see what they think of your opinion? You might just be the catalyst for change...
LMAO-Do you really think the PBA cares what we think? The PBA doesnt even care what their players think about things and they are the one's out there scratching and clawing to make a living. I doubt one email is gonna make a difference.
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Post by: Psycho on November 24, 2009, 07:39:29 AM
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Instead of venting here, why not e-mail the PBA and see what they think of your opinion? You might just be the catalyst for change...
LMAO-Do you really think the PBA cares what we think? The PBA doesnt even care what their players think about things and they are the one's out there scratching and clawing to make a living. I doubt one email is gonna make a difference.
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Post by: tc300 on November 24, 2009, 07:44:35 AM
Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 07:56:47 AM
I don't want the PBA to fail, but I am not real confident in their current direction. Piss poor management, by some pencil pushing bean counter, who probably has not not stepped foot in an alley in years is not the people I want in the board meetings.
I don't know what the solution is, but this season is for the birds IMHO
and yes Stopcrank, those were some good times for sure
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Post by: kmanestor22 on November 24, 2009, 08:06:31 AM
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Post by: stopncrank on November 24, 2009, 08:28:36 AM
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What difference does it make whether a show is live or not, aside from having to work to avoid the spoilers? If anything, the shows have a chance to be better than ever. They have time to edit and include tons more content than ever. If the content/delivery is bad, that's not gonna be fixed by going back to live shows. It does hurt the ball companies though. The equipment the bowlers are showcasing is already old by the time it airs. Looks like they'll have to get stuff in the pros hands earlier than ever and keep it off the street(yeah right).
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the difference is just that, live or not. how exciting would the NFL be if everything were tape delayed. how bout a tape-delayed Super Bowl, would you be ok with that? Point is for the PBA to be taken as a serious sport, it needs to be shown live. All the other major sports are live, heck even Horse Racing is shown live. Womens college basketball is live. when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.
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Post by: Stickythumbhole on November 24, 2009, 08:45:18 AM
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when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.
Hockey and Boxing are second tier. Bowling is several tiers below that.
Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 08:45:41 AM
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Powers that be in the PBA....see bowling going the way of the WSOP which are mainly all tape delayed. They think that WSOP is successful so why not the PBA? I am not sure I agree with that thinking myself.
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did the " powers that be " used to be employed by the federal government ?
this logic makes no sense to me. Stopcrank brings up a great point, but to demote bowling to the ranks of poker ? WOW it's worse than I thought.
and for the record, I would prefer to watch poker live also, but only the final table...
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Post by: kmanestor22 on November 24, 2009, 09:10:03 AM
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What difference does it make whether a show is live or not, aside from having to work to avoid the spoilers? If anything, the shows have a chance to be better than ever. They have time to edit and include tons more content than ever. If the content/delivery is bad, that's not gonna be fixed by going back to live shows. It does hurt the ball companies though. The equipment the bowlers are showcasing is already old by the time it airs. Looks like they'll have to get stuff in the pros hands earlier than ever and keep it off the street(yeah right).
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the difference is just that, live or not. how exciting would the NFL be if everything were tape delayed. how bout a tape-delayed Super Bowl, would you be ok with that? Point is for the PBA to be taken as a serious sport, it needs to be shown live. All the other major sports are live, heck even Horse Racing is shown live. Womens college basketball is live. when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.
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If the results weren't leaked, it wouldn't make a bit of difference if sports events were taped-delayed. Obviously, that's impossible. Again, other than possibly hearing the outcome (which you would pretty much have to do some searching to find) what difference does it make whether it's live or not? A lot of the guys who enjoy watching bowling will watch old telecasts on ESPN Classic. That's not live. If you've just now come to the conclusion that bowling is a second-tier sport, you're a little slow. Bowling will never be taken a serious sport, it isn't a serious sport. I can live with that and enjoy it anyways. You can "sport" it up by making the conditions tougher but that doesn't change the fact that a hack like me can beat a tour pro on any given day and any given pattern.
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Post by: stopncrank on November 24, 2009, 09:37:54 AM
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What difference does it make whether a show is live or not, aside from having to work to avoid the spoilers? If anything, the shows have a chance to be better than ever. They have time to edit and include tons more content than ever. If the content/delivery is bad, that''''s not gonna be fixed by going back to live shows. It does hurt the ball companies though. The equipment the bowlers are showcasing is already old by the time it airs. Looks like they''''ll have to get stuff in the pros hands earlier than ever and keep it off the street(yeah right). Oh and for the record, please tell us the last time a "hack" like you won a PBA title??
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the difference is just that, live or not. how exciting would the NFL be if everything were tape delayed. how bout a tape-delayed Super Bowl, would you be ok with that? Point is for the PBA to be taken as a serious sport, it needs to be shown live. All the other major sports are live, heck even Horse Racing is shown live. Womens college basketball is live. when you tape-delay you are a side show, second tier in my opinion.
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If the results weren''''t leaked, it wouldn''''t make a bit of difference if sports events were taped-delayed. Obviously, that''''s impossible. Again, other than possibly hearing the outcome (which you would pretty much have to do some searching to find) what difference does it make whether it''''s live or not? A lot of the guys who enjoy watching bowling will watch old telecasts on ESPN Classic. That''''s not live. If you''''ve just now come to the conclusion that bowling is a second-tier sport, you''''re a little slow. Bowling will never be taken a serious sport, it isn''''t a serious sport. I can live with that and enjoy it anyways. You can "sport" it up by making the conditions tougher but that doesn''''t change the fact that a hack like me can beat a tour pro on any given day and any given pattern.
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i watch ESPN classic because ive seen probably 990% of all the bowling they show...watching a tape delayed telecast in which ive already heard the results of takes the fun out of it for me. Thats my opinion, your entitled to yours as well. if your ok with the way the PBA is headed and cant see that they are in trouble then please dont whine and complain when its not around anymore. Without a proper outlet like tv to display just how great the pro''''s are, bowling as a whole will be just like billiards, foosball etc.
and your last sentence is without a doubt one of the reasons bowling is on the decline, the Professional bowlers of today do NOT get the proper respect they deserve. Since its obvious you think bowling against them is so easy, when are you going to Tour Trials? Im sure since it''''s so easy, you''''ll make a killing! Please let us know how you do lmao.
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Post by: kmanestor22 on November 24, 2009, 10:11:45 AM
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Post by: stopncrank on November 24, 2009, 10:56:23 AM
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I do respect pro bowlers. I''m just pointing out reality and how people that haven''t tried bowling on sport shots see bowling. The reality is that I can miss my mark by two boards, go brooklyn, and strike. In what other sport can you make that big of a mistake and get the same result or better than an opponent who made a good shot? The poker analogy is actually a good one. A professional bowler/poker player will consistently beat a novice but can still be beaten by dumb luck. The element of luck is so great that people see bowling/poker as less than a sport.
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in one game yes, a hack can win. But show me how many "hacks" are going to beat Norm Duke heads up in a best of 7 format. my money would be on Duke every time. Bowling is a physical sport, there''s so many more variables involved than somebody shooting the moon on a poker table.
"In what other sport can you make that big of a mistake and get the same result or better than an opponent who made a good shot?"
This happens in sports alot these days, when technology advances many times margin for error does too. I played baseball most of my early life. Ive watched a ton of games live too. I cant tell you how many balls i see now days that are home-runs that would have been normal routine fly-outs back in the day. What about golf? Look how much bigger club heads are these days as opposed to when Jack and Arnold played. How much more room for error does that larger club head allow?
Look, all im trying to say is if we settle for mediocre in bowling, thats all we will ever be. I say for the PBA to survive, its important for the tv show to be live, just like all the other major sports. Back in the "good ole days" of the PBA, shows were live. Sure things change, i know that. But sometimes you have to look at the reasons for change. Truth be told, i can probably handle the tape-delay if the PBA can survive. But it doesn''t mean i have to like it. Every other country besides the U.S, treats their pro bolwers like kings, over here they are just bowlers. But what i will not accept is the notion of "hacks" thinking they can compete with the big boys. Ive bowled against alot of them at the regional level, they make tough shots look easy, and easy shots that much easier.
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Post by: T Brockette on November 24, 2009, 11:17:31 AM
1) Quit screwing around with the patterns. The majority of bowlers, league or open play, or otherwise, don't care about the patterns. You can explain until you are blue in the face about why a pro shot 140....they don't get it and don't care. All they know is that they shot better than that in the thursday late drinking league.
2) Get the telecast off of Sundays against the most popular sport that we have in this country. Also, try and see if there is interest from another network. Try finding anything of consequence about bowling on the ESPN website.
3) Instead of trick shots, how about being more technical. Tell the viewer what ball they are using and why. Which drill pattern and why. Give them knowledge.
4) Open the playing field back to whoever wants to try an qualify. I feel that this is a major reason that the prize has gone down....crying shame that the money was better in the 70's than the 2000's.
Just a few thoughts.....go ahead and hack away at them!
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Post by: jbuzz31 on November 24, 2009, 11:23:28 AM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 24, 2009, 11:35:41 AM
quote:It seems like once every other week I have to say the same thing -- this is an awful idea. Being on ESPN is a huge source of ratings -- people tend to watch whatever is on certain major channels and avoid watching stuff on other smaller networks. Any time sports have moved from ESPN to Versus, Spike, etc., it hasn't been good for their ratings. (Just look at the IndyCar Series this past season -- it got only about 1/4 the Nielsen ratings for Versus broadcasts that it got for ABC/ESPN broadcasts, even before the whole DirecTV/Versus thing) And ESPN intentionally schedules the PBA right against the NFL because it's pretty much the only thing that does draw reasonable ratings in that timeslot. There's not much we can do about that if ESPN really wants us there.
2) Get the telecast off of Sundays against the most popular sport that we have in this country. Also, try and see if there is interest from another network. Try finding anything of consequence about bowling on the ESPN website.
Just a few thoughts.....go ahead and hack away at them!
Post by: stopncrank on November 24, 2009, 11:37:32 AM
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Just a few thoughts on the subject:
1) Quit screwing around with the patterns. The majority of bowlers, league or open play, or otherwise, don't care about the patterns. You can explain until you are blue in the face about why a pro shot 140....they don't get it and don't care. All they know is that they shot better than that in the thursday late drinking league.
2) Get the telecast off of Sundays against the most popular sport that we have in this country. Also, try and see if there is interest from another network. Try finding anything of consequence about bowling on the ESPN website.
3) Instead of trick shots, how about being more technical. Tell the viewer what ball they are using and why. Which drill pattern and why. Give them knowledge.
4) Open the playing field back to whoever wants to try an qualify. I feel that this is a major reason that the prize has gone down....crying shame that the money was better in the 70's than the 2000's.
Just a few thoughts.....go ahead and hack away at them!
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totally agree tracy. my commentsare this:
as for #1, until we all(league and pba) bowl on the same conditons this will always be a problem.
2-Wednesdays prime time was perfect, why did they move from that time slot anyways?
3-PBA product registration is what holds this back. Company A is afraid Company B might get more airtime...my thought on this is if your company isnt getting enough airtime then you need to make better equipment. Just another example of the PBA money-making machine.
4- I agree with this but im not so sure the actualy Pro's do. Am's tend to play all over the place destroying the pattern, where as most pro's work together to break the pattern down in a similar fashion. Most of the Pro's i know cant stand the U.S. open for this very reason.
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Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 02:18:49 PM
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Just a few thoughts on the subject:
1) Quit screwing around with the patterns. The majority of bowlers, league or open play, or otherwise, don't care about the patterns. You can explain until you are blue in the face about why a pro shot 140....they don't get it and don't care. All they know is that they shot better than that in the thursday late drinking league.
2) Get the telecast off of Sundays against the most popular sport that we have in this country. Also, try and see if there is interest from another network. Try finding anything of consequence about bowling on the ESPN website.
3) Instead of trick shots, how about being more technical. Tell the viewer what ball they are using and why. Which drill pattern and why. Give them knowledge.
4) Open the playing field back to whoever wants to try an qualify. I feel that this is a major reason that the prize has gone down....crying shame that the money was better in the 70's than the 2000's.
Just a few thoughts.....go ahead and hack away at them!
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great ideas
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Post by: mainzer on November 24, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
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Post by: J_w73 on November 24, 2009, 03:04:05 PM
Can someone confirm this? I read on the PBA site that Rash studdered and stammered and balked on his shots in the 10th.. I don''t recall seeing this on the telecast.. did I just miss it or was it cut from what they showed on TV?
If it was indeed cut that sucks.. It is moments like that that makes the show..
even though I do agree with how they showed the Amelleto match.. no need to show a guy in agony just trying to get through a match...
I think if the shows are going to be taped and editted that they might as well go with the documentary style and do little breakaways with the players, drillers, and manufacturers going into the technical side of the sport..
I was at the Patrick Allen vs WRW match in Reno last year.. was there with my girlfriend... she knows nothing about professional bowling or sports for the mostpart... but she said it was one of the most exciting and dramatic things she has ever seen... not even just the ending.. Every match all the way through..
If you have never been to a live final , you need to go..it is something special
That is what the PBA needs to capture and translate to the viewers watching on tv
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Post by: michelle on November 24, 2009, 04:22:24 PM
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so your saying the PBA is financially strapped ?
That would be the understatement of the decade...
HINT: They ain't rakin' it in hand over fist.
Post by: bowlerdawg on November 24, 2009, 04:30:50 PM
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so your saying the PBA is financially strapped ?
That would be the understatement of the decade...
HINT: They ain't rakin' it in hand over fist.
see the section called " piss poor management "
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Post by: SleepOnIce on November 24, 2009, 05:02:03 PM
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Can someone confirm this? I read on the PBA site that Rash studdered and stammered and balked on his shots in the 10th.. I don''t recall seeing this on the telecast.. did I just miss it or was it cut from what they showed on TV?
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It showed him balking (just not halfway into his approach like normal) before his shots in the 10th. Randy commented that he looked uncomfortable before one of Rash's shots in the 10th.
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Post by: J_w73 on November 24, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
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Can someone confirm this? I read on the PBA site that Rash studdered and stammered and balked on his shots in the 10th.. I don''t recall seeing this on the telecast.. did I just miss it or was it cut from what they showed on TV?
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It showed him balking (just not halfway into his approach like normal) before his shots in the 10th. Randy commented that he looked uncomfortable before one of Rash's shots in the 10th.
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The PBA site made it sound like he stopped and started a few times.
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Post by: joeschmoe on November 25, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
Yeah, in a ONE GAME match that is....
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on November 25, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on November 25, 2009, 07:06:49 PM
They're trying anything and everything to save themselves, but nothing seems to be working.
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Post by: global900pbaexp on November 25, 2009, 07:33:06 PM
I do like XTRA frame and the coverage of the quakifying rounds better.
Maybe, the PBA is much better off staying with the internet
and forgetting about ESPN?
Post by: LuckyLefty on November 25, 2009, 07:54:52 PM
Pool was listed...Poker was listed....Girl's volleyball was listed. I swear their was a Ping Pong tournament listed. High school state championship swimming was listed but Professional bowling on ESPN for the afternoon...Nyet!
Dropping to the bottom of the sports pool! Sad! I know and you know what a great sport it is!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS all these years spent "educating" the public and too little spent "entertaining". Everyone knows the educating people on what they SHOULD like...usually doesn't sell!
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Post by: nextbowler on November 26, 2009, 03:15:12 AM
to tape it for more convenient watching. The rest of the criticisms are true.
As for the shows being months old, and from only one venue, that is absolutely
inexcuseable.
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Post by: Cobrawolf on November 27, 2009, 09:53:08 AM
Post by: nd300 on November 27, 2009, 10:40:14 AM
College basketball----much higher ratings,more viewers and more money.
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