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Scolai

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PBA membership requirements...
« on: March 18, 2009, 05:10:07 AM »
This is why earning a PBA card needs to be contingent upon actually cashing in a PBA event or earning a respectable average in PBA Experience or Sport Bowling leagues.  To see a PBA member averaging 144 on any pattern is an embarassment to the credibility of the professional level of our sport.  I grant you he might be having a bad day, but a 144 average for 5 games shows a lot more than just getting bad breaks, IMO.
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 01:17:30 PM »
i agree but you gotta look at it from the money standpoint that with out those guys the money would be lower than it already is on the tour. i'm guilty of wasting money at a couple of regionals but i learned a valuable lesson at them so everytime you cash in any tournament thank the guys who struggled for a part of your prize.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2009, 01:20:01 PM »
I agree. There should be a cash rule at national tour events.

But when the organization is hemorrhaging money it is hard for them to turn away all the donators.

I remember a few years back at the US Open (not a PBA run event but a major) that a couple guys showed up and bowled using house shoes and balls. Ended up averaging around 130 if I remember, I’m sure it was a joy to cross with them.

The majority of bowlers I see posting on here seem to feel the opposite that the fields should be wide open every week without a TQR.

But I know of no other sport where you can simply plunk down your money and participate on the largest stage available.

Why would anyone come to watch the qualifying rounds if the field was filled with house hacks? What does that say about the PBA’s view of their product and quality of it?
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2009, 01:22:46 PM »
Believe me, I'm not trying to bash the guy because sometime styles and equipment don't match up, but my question is since he is not listed as a non-member, how did he get his card?  I haven't read the requirements in a while, but it was two years averaging over 200 or one year over 220 to be eligible?  I'm not seeing either for him.

http://members.bowl.com/SearchUSBC/ViewMember.aspx?prefix=1579&suffix=2886
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2009, 01:30:47 PM »
Look a little farther back he average 196 for 24 game son a PBA exp league.  That is what he got his card with.  PBA EXp average requirement for a card is 195.  You are right though he definatly looks like a hack.  But his money is as green as anyone elses with a card.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2009, 01:32:27 PM »
JoeGunn sees my point.  I'm all for PBA members spending their money on a TQR.  My issue stems from the fact that a guy who can't even shoot a single game at par (200) on PBA patterns somehow acquired a PBA membership card.

I earned my PBA card in 2004.  In my house league I was averaging 213, which was enough at the time to qualify me for PBA membership.  I didn't enter my first PBA regional event until I cashed as an amateur (no handicap) in a PBA Pro/Am.  Even after bowling - and cashing - in my first PBA event, I didn't apply immediately for my card.  It wasn't until I cashed in my second PBA event that I filled out the paperwork for PBA membership.

Having a cash-first rule for members will greatly reduce the number of house hacks who average 220 on the great wall their house puts down but can't hit the same spot on the lane twice in the same game.  More to the point, it will prevent embarassments like aforementioned "professional" who entered a tournament that he hasn't the talent or skill to be in.
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 01:37:09 PM »
The problem with what you are saying is that he could have entered this if he has a cord or not.  The card only saves him a couple of dollars off the entry fee.  Yes it gives you a better chance of getting out of the TQR but he had no chance of that with or without a card.  

I agree with your approach on what you did to get a card and how you went about using it.  Just because you have a PBA card does not mean anything any more just a reduced entry fee.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 01:56:00 PM »
like it was stated above he could still join with his 208 house avg or the sport avg as long as its above 190.. plus it was the tqr he could have bowled anyways as an amatuer..
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 02:16:38 PM »
well see bowling also has a lot more variables than other sports. all shot aren't  the same.. centers aren't  rated like golf corses. we all know some centers have greatly inflated average numbers.. all house and leagues aren't  that way.. and since he's a hack what is a respectable average?? just curious of what you special number is?? in by no means am I saying he's  a great bowler. but if he has the money to bowl they will let him..point blank. and this is one of the only sports where u have to pay tourney fees to participate.. most golfers don't pay and their prize funds are huge compared tp bowling
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 02:32:11 PM »
I don't see what the problem is here.  The guy is eligible for his card, and paid his dues.  Him having his card isn't really a benefit to him.  Sure there are more spots in the TQR open to members, but from the looks of things he's not likely to be near the top anyway.  He's just a donator, and the PBA needs donators.

I'm not sure why we should feel threatened by him.  If he want's to pay, let him.  If anything this should boost the credibility of the sport at the highest level.  If a bowler averaging 200+ on a house shot does this bad at a national event, then the top guys really are miles ahead of the average house bowler.
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2009, 02:41:00 PM »
I actually average 209 on a THS but I average around 218-225 on sport shots is that so bad. For some reason i do better on Tougher Shots. WE had a Tough shot last year in league and I averaged 220 but this year I am at 209 cause I can close my eyes and thorw it.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 03:00:11 PM »
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JoeGunn sees my point.  I'm all for PBA members spending their money on a TQR.  My issue stems from the fact that a guy who can't even shoot a single game at par (200) on PBA patterns somehow acquired a PBA membership card.

I earned my PBA card in 2004.  In my house league I was averaging 213, which was enough at the time to qualify me for PBA membership.  I didn't enter my first PBA regional event until I cashed as an amateur (no handicap) in a PBA Pro/Am.  Even after bowling - and cashing - in my first PBA event, I didn't apply immediately for my card.  It wasn't until I cashed in my second PBA event that I filled out the paperwork for PBA membership.

Having a cash-first rule for members will greatly reduce the number of house hacks who average 220 on the great wall their house puts down but can't hit the same spot on the lane twice in the same game.  More to the point, it will prevent embarassments like aforementioned "professional" who entered a tournament that he hasn't the talent or skill to be in.
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You don't have to be a PBA member to bowl the PBA regional events??
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 06:21:22 PM »
This is why it's called the "TOUR QUALIFYING ROUND"  As far as the 208 average, anybody can beat anybody on any given day/night.

 
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Professional bowling should be like any other professional sport. You don't get to play Baseball or Football, or Hockey at the professional level until you show that you're good enough to compete with the big boys. 208 on a THS is NOT good enough to compete with the best in the world.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 09:50:49 PM »
Some of you are missing the point.  The point is, the guy shouldn't have a card.  Period.  He's obviously lacking the skills that define what a professional bowler is.

I don't give two sh**s about him bowling in the TQR.  I DO care about the fact that he's an embarrassment to the PBA for bowling as a "professional".  If he had a little asterisk next to his name, this thread wouldn't exist.

The PBA is so desperate for paying members that they might as well include PBA cards in bags of nachos.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2009, 12:35:14 AM »
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Some of you are missing the point.  The point is, the guy shouldn't have a card.  Period.  He's obviously lacking the skills that define what a professional bowler is.

I don't give two sh**s about him bowling in the TQR.  I DO care about the fact that he's an embarrassment to the PBA for bowling as a "professional".  If he had a little asterisk next to his name, this thread wouldn't exist.

The PBA is so desperate for paying members that they might as well include PBA cards in bags of nachos.
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Scolai',

While agree with you in principle, it should be tougher to be a PBA Member.  The reality is, the PBA needs those guys' dues moneys.

At least he shoed up and bowled.  House hack or not, I respect him more than the many people that are PBA "Members" and never bowl ANY regionals our TQR's.  There are a number of people that are members only so they can get cheap equipment and cheap practice.  The money they save on these items offsets the membership dues.  I just think THIS is wrong.


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