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Title: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: chitown on December 28, 2006, 01:37:52 AM
A friend of mine has went to several PBA tourney's and told me that the TV makes the guys ball speed look a lot faster than it does in person.  For the guys that have went to the PBA tourney's do you find this to be true?

He told me that I would be surprised at how slow a lot of the pro's ball speeds actually are.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: scotts33 on December 28, 2006, 09:43:12 AM
If you are talking about Tim Criss.....I'd agree but with Wes Mallot or Sean Rash I'd disagree.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: Gene J Kanak on December 28, 2006, 09:44:20 AM
That's funny, because I've actually seen/heard the exact opposite. From what I've noticed, the guys, in general, have much faster speeds than what you'd think. It just doesn't seem as obvious because they are bowling against each other. If you were to put them next to Joe Schmoe league bowler like you or I, they would look like they were throwing missiles. Of course, there are exceptions, but most of the guys out there throw with a great deal of speed.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: splendorlex on December 28, 2006, 09:44:54 AM
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I went to the ProAm in Vernon Hills this year.  I bowled with LeClair, PDW, Ciccone, Oatman and Delutz.  I didn't think any of them had particularly fast ball speeds, and I certainly didn't notice anyone really winging the ball, except sometimes at single pin spares.  It was also nice to see Oatman throwing the Pain the whole night.  
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: chitown on December 28, 2006, 09:46:07 AM
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If you are talking about Tim Criss.....I'd agree but with Wes Mallot or Sean Rash I'd disagree.
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Scott, my buddy was just talking in general.  He said when your watching the TV finals he said there ball speed looks a lot faster than it does when your there.  Kind of like the optical illusion you see while watching football.  Football fields look a lot bigger on TV than they do in person.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: Track900 on December 28, 2006, 09:46:19 AM
I completely disagree!!! In fact when bowled one of the pro-ams with Tim Criss I was surprised that his ball speed wasnt as slow as it appears. There are alot of house bowlers that throw it alot slower then Criss, just comparable to the pba his normal ball speed is slower then most. Also remember that their ball speed all depends on what pattern they are playing on, and what matches up best with the particular lane surface. Just my opinion, but this is what I saw.
Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: mumzie on December 28, 2006, 10:05:31 AM
Keep in mind these guys can adjust their speed better than the rest of us - from really slow to really fast...
Depending on what the condition requires.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: chitown on December 28, 2006, 10:11:33 AM
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Keep in mind these guys can adjust their speed better than the rest of us - from really slow to really fast...
Depending on what the condition requires.
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I know they can adjust ball speeds.  That's not what my bud was talking about.  He stated that the TV makes there ball speed look faster than what it really is.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: C_J on December 28, 2006, 11:19:30 AM
I have wondered this also. When I have seen myself on tv I thought my ball speed looks slower than in person.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: Charles on December 28, 2006, 11:27:38 AM
Chris, your ball speed is slow compared to............a Nolan Ryan fastball!! Geez.....
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: NOTAP4ME on December 28, 2006, 01:02:40 PM
I have been to a couple of PBA TV shows and I would agree that it seems in person that the pros throw a little slower than it seems on TV.  

I have seen both PDW and Mika in person.  PDW's ball speed doesnt seem that fast in person.  He goes fairly slow but has great extension and is very fluid.
Most of the pros are so smooth and effortless in their releases that is seems they are not really throwing so fast.
Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 28, 2006, 01:07:28 PM
I agree with all those above who said pros are "FASTER" than TV makes them look.

Even Tim Criss is surprisingly...not super slow!  Just slow compared to other pros.  I believe most are 16 to 16.5 + at the pin deck.  I've just edited this in agreement with PRecise Matt below.  16 to 16.5 is the slower side of the scale!

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Edited on 12/28/2006 2:23 PM
Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: EboKnight on December 28, 2006, 01:16:24 PM
I've heard the PBA bowlers ball speed averages about 18-19 mph...

The backends on TV a SUPER FRESH and the ball is gunna snap like an SOB so the pros tend to throw it hard.  Plus, when you bowl long blocks and have to bowl 10-12 games the heads get cooked and that also causes you to throw it a lot harder.

I've bowled in a few local tournys were they layout PBA/Regional patterns and my ball speed jumps from 16-17 to 18-19 just because I know I have to get the ball down the lane further.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 28, 2006, 05:02:53 PM
when abc-tv was showing the pba tour they tracked average ball speed on tour several times. the last time this took place the average ball speed on tour was a hair over 19mph.
Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: YeahHossNV on December 28, 2006, 09:47:20 PM
the ball speed looks slower because the camera follows the ball down the lane. It makes it hard to judge beause your eyes have no real reference point.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: DonSVO on December 29, 2006, 07:59:11 AM
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I have wondered this also. When I have seen myself on tv I thought my ball speed looks slower than in person.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: korkey299 on December 29, 2006, 09:26:20 AM
i remember watching an episode on espn classic where PDW was bowling ummm, the name isn't coming to mind, but it showed the speed that he was bowling his strike ball and it was 20 mph, one thing we need to keep in mind is that they adjust their speeds so often that its hard to say if they are throwing slower or faster than an average bowler, on the cheetah sure they throw it fast, on the shark, with the exception of a few power players they throw it slower. but what those speeds are is hard to say. 17mph i'd say is the average maybe faster
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: a_ak57 on December 29, 2006, 09:41:51 AM
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when abc-tv was showing the pba tour they tracked average ball speed on tour several times. the last time this took place the average ball speed on tour was a hair over 19mph.

Greg, just for reference, were those numbers measured off the hand, or at the deck?  Not unreasonable either way, just curious to know.
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Title: Re: PBA players ball speed slower than on TV?
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 31, 2006, 12:11:39 PM
As many know who have attended Kegel(where ball speed is measured at several different points).

It is not unusual for ball speed at the pin deck to be between 3 to 4 mph SLOWER than speed is at the 15 foot mark.

Speeds of 18 off the hand often end up near 15 at the pin deck.

Also the amount of friction encountered often adjusts ball speeds.
On extremely long slippery oil a two mph slow down between the 15 foot mark and the pin deck is doing well(You've found some friction somewhere).

Relationships then of 20 mph off of the hand and 17 mph at the pin deck on normal conditions are often a reasonable relationship then and so on.

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