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riggs

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Brian Valenta wins PBA Regional with BLACK BEAUTY!
« on: July 08, 2013, 07:59:37 AM »
Here's the blog with details on Brian Valenta's win this weekend. Still seeking the answer to who was the last person was to win a PBA title with a hard rubber ball and when was it?

The 11th Frame: Two-hander Brian Valenta makes history winning PBA Regional with hard rubber ball

http://www.11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5946

 

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Re: Brian Valenta wins PBA Regional with BLACK BEAUTY!
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2013, 02:11:09 AM »
This was very informative as i did learn some things. But i was looking for the comparison of ball motion and hook potential on today's dryer conditions that bowlers face when reactives are out of play.

Generally speaking, from weakest to strongest:
Rubber, plastic, urethane, reactive.

Also, on older balls, softness/hardness may be a consideration.  They instituted the hardness rule after the Sur-D, I believe, so before that rule you may find some older balls with softness below the current limit and you may find some balls with very high hardness ratings.
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Re: Brian Valenta wins PBA Regional with BLACK BEAUTY!
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2013, 05:01:41 AM »
Throw your hardest plastic ball. Hard rubber will hook less. Also old-time hard rubber balls like what Brian was throwing have no flare. Many plastics made today do have some flare.

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Re: Brian Valenta wins PBA Regional with BLACK BEAUTY!
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2013, 06:42:35 AM »
I really need to get my old Hard rubber Ace Pro drilled just to see if I can hook it at all. My old Ace Plastic ball did have some weight to it and with a bit of roughing up I could get it to hook pretty well, even swing it a bit if it was really dry. I've actually never thrown a true Urethane but I may buy one for the hell of it once to try it out, I love drilling and throwing old equipment.

My suggestion to is if you want to get an idea of the different era's is to check out youtube. Just type in Dick Weber and then go from there. There are matches going back as far as the 50's on there. Just work your way up the decades and you will see the change.

One of my other favorites is Pete Weber's first televised match. He was 17 at the time and I believe he would of be been throwing Urethane although I could be wrong and it was still plastic. Basically anything prior to 91 would be the non reactive stuff.

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Re: Brian Valenta wins PBA Regional with BLACK BEAUTY!
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2013, 11:23:13 PM »
It is tough to really compare, because the lane surfaces, oils, and overall volume of oil was totally different in the plastic and rubber ball days.  Plastic came in to vogue when the harder urethane lane finishes replaced lacquer.  I bowled with both polyester and hard rubber on lacquer, and the ball reaction was not much different.  However on urethane finish the plastic, which even in its harder versions was softer than hard rubber, reacted more.  As they learned the tricks of softening the polyester even more, it became more effective. 

The interesting thing is that resin additives with todays urethane balls has much the same effect as softening the shells on the old polyester balls did, but the resins don't soften the urethane.