Author Topic: All the talk about choking? (Read 4197 times)

DukeHarding · « **on:** January 27, 2008, 05:10:41 AM »

Would all the BR members, saying that Chris Barnes is a choke....

Have said the same thing about Earl Anthony, when he finished second, all those times?

Chris is right up there with all the greats...

I know a lot of people don't particularly like his TV personna.

He still is one heck of a GREAT bowler.
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Slopsurprise · « **Reply #16 on:** January 28, 2008, 08:04:53 AM »

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The word great gets thrown around to much today. He belongs in the PBA class of the good to very good but not the class of great.
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Your a f-ing retard. Barnes is the best bowler in the world right now. He has 2 major wins and has like 10 major tourney tv shows. He has more tv appearances than EVERYBODY since 2000. If you dont think he is great than you dont know what the f*ck you are talking about.
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Barnes is the best bowler as long as the lights are not on, the camera is not rolling, and he is not in a final match. The dude as a sick amount of talent but, he is a mental midget!

justdale · « **Reply #17 on:** January 28, 2008, 08:09:23 AM »

Chris Barnes definitely has a mental block when it comes to TV, but, look at how this guy bowls week after week, he gets to more TV shows than anyone else this year.

Bowling great all week in different cities week to week is not a easy thing to do. If you guys think you could do it, by all means push away from the computer and get out there and do; then come back here and say how easy it is
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Jorge300 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 28, 2008, 08:50:12 AM »

I think some of you are looking at this wrong.

No one is questioning Barnes talent or saying he is not a very good bowler. And I think everyone knows how difficult it is to make show after show on different patterns, different cities, week after week. But there is a line to cross from very good to great. That is true in every sport.

As it was said before would you consider the Buffalo Bills of the early 90's a great team? Most would say no, because they could not win the Super Bowl. Even though they got there 4 straight years, they are just a very good team. WRW is a great bowler, so are the likes of Anthony, Weber (both Pete and Dick), Don Carter, Mark Roth (who was never a saint on or off the lanes)....all were great. What made them great, they won. WRW 43 times, Anthony 41, Roth and Weber 34.....winning separates the very good from the great. The Pittsburgh Steelers from 1995-2005 made the AFC championship game 6 times. They won 2 and won 1 Super Bowl, are they mentioned as a great team during that time?

Hopefully this illistrates the point I think most are making. No one is taking anything away from Chris Barnes, he is a very good bowler, one of the best out there today, but he is not great and won't be considered great until he wins more. That is not a slight against him, it is just the truth.
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Gazoo · « **Reply #19 on:** January 28, 2008, 09:03:51 AM »

Sometimes you choke, sometimes you just get beat. Yesterday was a definite choke. But I think Barnes still laughs all the way to the bank!

pate08 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 28, 2008, 10:04:30 PM »

Chris makes his living, and a VERY GOOD living for that matter, out of bowling. He makes more shows than anyone and makes more money than anyone. Just because he can't win the final match in a tournament doesn't mean he is not a GREAT bowler, because he is in fact, the best bowler in the world at this point in time.
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MAJM · « **Reply #21 on:** January 29, 2008, 07:46:15 AM »

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Chris makes his living, and a VERY GOOD living for that matter, out of bowling. He makes more shows than anyone and makes more money than anyone. Just because he can't win the final match in a tournament doesn't mean he is not a GREAT bowler, because he is in fact, the best bowler in the world at this point in time.
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michelle · « **Reply #22 on:** January 29, 2008, 08:15:49 AM »

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It looked to me...that Chris was in the process of "Losing his look"
in frames 7 8 and 9.

Continuing on that thought, after the first 9/ and then coming back with another 9 count, the camera cut to his face and the eyes seemed to have that "oh crap, what now" look. Others might interpret it as having been a 'not again' look, but the same net effect...it seemed to me like he was actually thinking about *it* instead of simply getting up there and executing quality shots.

pate08 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 30, 2008, 09:56:30 AM »

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Chris makes his living, and a VERY GOOD living for that matter, out of bowling. He makes more shows than anyone and makes more money than anyone. Just because he can't win the final match in a tournament doesn't mean he is not a GREAT bowler, because he is in fact, the best bowler in the world at this point in time.
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boomtown24 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 30, 2008, 10:13:54 AM »

The difference between Chris Barnes and the greats of all time is the same as Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods.

Phil has all the talent in the world, he can hit any shot he wants to. I is the 2nd best player on the planet by a good margin I don't care what the numbers say. However he struggles down the stretch. He shows flashes of brilliance but at times makes critical mistakes that lead to him losing the tournament.

Tiger seems to improve down the stretch. His mental game is so unbelievable! It almost seems like he focuses more down the stretch, because he always seems to make a putt he needs to.

Chris is a very talented bowler with incredible physical skills, he may get nervous, anxious, obviously uncomfortable which all lead to taking away from his focus on the lanes. He needs to find something that will help him to win tournaments, not bowl better. He needs help with execution in tough situations! His execution is great during the week but when he hits the lights & camera he seems to fold.

oprahsdouche · « **Reply #25 on:** January 30, 2008, 10:19:13 AM »

Pate, your entitled to your opinion as everyone is. Yes he makes a great living, yes he has made quite a few shows this season, but i have to say he is not the best bowler right now. WRW is first in points, second in earnings, has a higher average, Barnes has made the show more times this season but uh oh shocker WRW has 2 titles this year Barnes 0. So how do you justify that he is a better bowler at this time? Hell I think PA is a better bowler than Barnes is at this time. You can debate up and down who will be what 10 years from now, but you said at this point in time in the world Barnes is the best bowler, you sir are mistaken. I challenge you to prove to me that he is.

chitown · « **Reply #26 on:** January 30, 2008, 11:26:14 AM »

Barnes has had some bad luck on TV. Some of this is due to the other bowler having a huge game against him. I have defended Barnes many times on this site when the choke issue comes up. However, my mind has changed on this. Barnes blew that big of a lead? A great PBA bowler should never blow that big of a lead, not at the end of a game. Banrnes is really living up to the name of being called a choker!

Barnes may have the best physical game of all the PBA players on tour. He's been on TV more than any other bowler the last 5 years. In my opinion he should have at least 12 to 15 titles under his belt by now. For whatever the reason he's a mental case when he get's on TV.

Here's something scary to chew on. Someday Barnes may snap out of this mental thing he's been going thru on TV. When that happens, look out because he will stack up titles in a hurry!

ccrider · « **Reply #27 on:** January 30, 2008, 06:12:59 PM »

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Barnes has had some bad luck on TV. Some of this is due to the other bowler having a huge game against him. I have defended Barnes many times on this site when the choke issue comes up. However, my mind has changed on this. Barnes blew that big of a lead? A great PBA bowler should never blow that big of a lead, not at the end of a game. Banrnes is really living up to the name of being called a choker!

Barnes may have the best physical game of all the PBA players on tour. He's been on TV more than any other bowler the last 5 years. In my opinion he should have at least 12 to 15 titles under his belt by now. For whatever the reason he's a mental case when he get's on TV.

Here's something scary to chew on. Someday Barnes may snap out of this mental thing he's been going thru on TV. When that happens, look out because he will stack up titles in a hurry!

It aint about Luck. Some people knock them down in the clutch, some people choke. Barnes seems to overthink the game at times. He changes balls constantly and sometimes he seems lost.

Why is his physical game any better than Norm Duke's, Pete Weber, WM or WRW for that matter. Is he prettier?? Is he stronger??? Is his timing better??

I thought the goal was to knock pins down and win, not necessarily to be pretty, strong, or have great timing. If that is truly the goal, then the best physical game is the game that best accomplishes the task.

I haven't seen anyone give any prize money or awards for having the best physical game. I have never seen Quibaca give style points. IMHO, you guys who keep saying Barnes has the best physical game do not really understand what the game is all about.

chitown · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »

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It aint about Luck. Some people knock them down in the clutch, some people choke. Barnes seems to overthink the game at times. He changes balls constantly and sometimes he seems lost.

Why is his physical game any better than Norm Duke's, Pete Weber, WM or WRW for that matter. Is he prettier?? Is he stronger??? Is his timing better??

I thought the goal was to knock pins down and win, not necessarily to be pretty, strong, or have great timing. If that is truly the goal, then the best physical game is the game that best accomplishes the task.

I haven't seen anyone give any prize money or awards for having the best physical game. I have never seen Quibaca give style points. IMHO, you guys who keep saying Barnes has the best physical game do not really understand what the game is all about.

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I understand what your saying. The game is about who knocks over the most pins! It's not about style! However, when Barnes is on his game he's very tough to beat! The guy has a ton of talent but seems to let the TV lights spook him. Look at how many times this guy has been on TV the last 5 years. He's got the talent to get there but not the mental game to finish!

Ishmael · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2008, 02:46:22 PM »

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Just because he can't win the final match in a tournament doesn't mean he is not a GREAT bowler

Actually it does. That's exactly what it means. If he was great he would win. Instead he is a very good PBA bowler who has some issues on Sundays.

I wonder if he's ever worked with a sports psychologist? If not, maybe he should give it a try. They have worked wonders for countless PGA players.

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