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J_w73

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PBA telecast --
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:31:51 AM »
so I was excited to watch the first mens'' telecast..
Don''t know what it was for sure but while watching I just wasn''t into it.
1)Was it the fact that it wasn''t live?  Even though I didn''t see anything online about who won the matches the fact that it was taped took something away from it for me.. should it ?  Not really cause everything looked the same and if I didn''t know that it was taped It would have been just like last year.. but something was different..
2)Was it the fact these guys were putting up 180 games..YES!!!
I know that the PBA conditions are tough.. I have bowled on them.. And I heard them say that the players are saying that the conditions are tweaked just a enough to make them that much tougher this year....guess what PBA... tough conditions don''t translate on TV.. If they don''t translate that well to me then they don''t translate at all to someone that is just watching and doesn''t know much about bowling...all it does is just make people think the pros aren''t that good.. or "these guys suck" as was said by my girlfriend..Then came the "you are better than these guys".. and then me correcting her "not even close".. then the explanation of why the scores are so low..
People dont'' want to watch TO drop passes all day ... and don''t want to see Tommy Jones leaving washouts and splits.  
PBA.. make the patterns tough to get to the finals.. come tv time.. ease up a little and let these guys roll...
a strikefest is more exciting to the average fan.. and still has the drama and pressure built in.. baseball purists dont'' mind a 0-0 pitcher''s duel but the other 3 million fans want a homerun derby....same thing goes with bowling..

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J_w73

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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 11:44:48 AM »
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maybe it was my bias towards taped shows, but Randy and Stoner seemed flat. and when they forced excitement it just fell flat.
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They were really there and commentating when they were actually bowling the finals right.. ???They didn't bowl the finals and then put the commentating in after did they ??
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 12:01:44 PM »
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maybe it was my bias towards taped shows, but Randy and Stoner seemed flat. and when they forced excitement it just fell flat.
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They were really there and commentating when they were actually bowling the finals right.. ???They didn't bowl the finals and then put the commentating in after did they ??



Yes, but they knew they weren't broadcasting to a live audience - just some production people.
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J_w73

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2009, 12:16:40 PM »
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maybe it was my bias towards taped shows, but Randy and Stoner seemed flat. and when they forced excitement it just fell flat.
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They were really there and commentating when they were actually bowling the finals right.. ???They didn't bowl the finals and then put the commentating in after did they ??



Yes, but they knew they weren't broadcasting to a live audience - just some production people.
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got it.. yes.. I agree there was something different and "staged" about their speech
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2009, 12:22:48 PM »
I enjoyed watching it only because I've been waiting to watch bowling on tv again. Was it the best show, no far from the best. The score's put up were low and just painful to watch. At least in the 1st and 3rd round's. I did not like the music between frame's as to me that was a bit tacky. The catch up review after commercial's was kind of lame but with it not being a live event was I think kind of unavoidable. If they did it the normal way of live bowling, you would not have seen 4 matches bowled just 3. As for the interviewing during bowling like they did to Barnes, If they do it that way every time, I don't see it being an issue with the bowler's.
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2009, 04:03:05 PM »
I hope some are not missing the point on the scoring. First of all...who cares what the score is. We had low scores in the start of the match and the final was high. So what about scoring. All we are going to have on these message boards is if the scores are too high they are too easy and you all think you are better then them and bowling is easy or on the other side if the scores are too low then they must be horrible bowlers and you can beat them also.
Please tell me what the "magical scores" are supposed to be?

Personally, I love low scores because there is more stratagy involved but I also occasionally like seeing high scores on tv. But really I don't care. I'm there to watch the sport reguardless!
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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2009, 04:04:20 PM »
Wait til next week on Cheetah.  
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2009, 05:17:32 PM »
There is a defense in bowling: he's called the oil man.

On your house shot, he is absent. On the tour, on the TV, he was present. Tell your girl friend that. If she doesn't know the SPORT of BOWLING that the PBA "engages in" and only knows the game of bowling we/you "play" on the THS, sorry.
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2009, 05:23:34 PM »
I hated that they went to commercial and came back when 3 or 4 frames had passed and they did a quick resume. That's BS. They have plenty of time to cut and paste ALL the bowling and insert as many commercials as needed.

The crap of Randy's handing out hints can go in the garbage! I'd rather see the bowling. That'swhy I tuned in!!! If we need bowling hints, we'll seek out a real coach. That was aimed at some intermediate bowlers, while the show is aimed at the 120 average bowler to be entertained.
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2009, 06:10:37 PM »
Well guys, you and I know what the conditions can do but I see the presentation as similar to watching football. My daughter is a huge fan of the NFL. However, when she sees a quarterback go 1 for 12 in passing,she doesn't see great defense she says: "That quarterback sucks."

That is how I "fear" the PBA may be perceived. They claim they are trying to spread the sport to non-bowling fans and honor the history of the sport. They need to show how and why these guys are good.

Perhaps they should televise some ProAm events?

When we watched Wide World of Sports they showed us professionals at their craft - I really miss that in current US broadcasting of the events. If nothing else there is almost no context or information of the consequences good and bad of how the bowlers are doing.
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2009, 09:14:57 PM »
i for one am very upset that we don't get to see the entire match-----we come back from a commercial break and they show us the highlights........that's inexcuseable.
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2009, 01:33:00 AM »
They showed the entire championship match and they showed every shot in the whole 4 match stepladder, even though the 2 midgame frames after commercials they recapped in highlights. Every shot shown, entire championship match shown, an hour and a half of bowling and You say you didn't get to see the entire match?
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2009, 09:36:02 PM »
pba telecasts have regressed instead of progressed since abc-tv pulled out..............
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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2009, 10:59:27 AM »
I would definitely agree with that with the atmosphere of showcasing a professional bowling on tv.
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2009, 11:37:08 AM »
Good post J_w
The high score/low score debate has gone on for years and will continue forever until they find a happy medium.  As a bowler, I find it interesting to watch to pros search for a look, but to get ratings, your home run derby analogy is probably right on.  I would say make the majors tough, and explain why on the telecast, but otherwise let 'em strike.
I also thought the announcing last week was lame, almost like they added it after the competition and the announcers knew who won.  This Sunday's Cheetah telecast may make or break the entire season.  The reality style being advertised makes me nervous.  I fear that we won't see much actual bowling, but will see lots of interviews and player profiles.  I'm hoping for the best, but think it may drag down ratings even further if we don't get to see enough bowling.
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Re: PBA telecast --
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2009, 12:11:03 PM »
i agree for the most part with the comments so far. i like the idea of having a house shot tournament like last year, and to make it more interesting they should invite the bowler with the highest league average in the host house a free entry to show how they fare against the pro's every week. or maybe even do that at every stop. as for scores, i agree most people dont want to watch a snooze fest 9/ every frame game. the most exciting show i ever saw live on tv was Bob Learn Jr. in Erie,what a performance and i dont think anyone who saw that show can say they didnt enjoy it. man do i miss the Arena Finals!

Rob Stone really must go, im sorry he is probably a great guy but after putting up with Stone this long i'd take Dave Ryan back in a hurry! But, i really would like to see Marshall Holman back in the booth, i thought he did an excellent job with the women's series a couple months back. Gone are the good ole days of BO Burton and Chris Schenkle, man those were good shows.

Or they could invite a current exempt player every week to work with Randy. I think Randy would be much better if he actually had someone who knew something about bowling working with him. Right now as bad as it sounds Randy has to carry the telecast.
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