Author Topic: PBA to change practice rules for TV show? (Read 3480 times)

riggs · « **on:** December 06, 2011, 12:20:58 AM »

Some interesting stuff from Tom Clark in the web interview I link to in here:

http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/the-th-frame-pba-to-change-practice-rules-for-tv/article_4444ca16-1f71-11e1-a02a-0019bb2963f4.html

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Strokewiththelefthand · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2011, 10:16:14 AM »

Interesting indeed. Great article.

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I'm man enough to admit I stroke with the left hand and it feels good.

Whooooooo! Go time!

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Russell · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2011, 11:00:27 AM »

PS....shorten your sig....it makes your posts unbearably long for no reason....and it's lame.

Strokewiththelefthand wrote on 12/6/2011 11:16 AM: Interesting indeed. Great article.

aka. Big Daddy Pink, Pink Pinkstofferson, Smooth as Asian Silk, Righty Complex, Big Daddy Wit Da Smooth Head.

I'm man enough to admit I stroke with the left hand and it feels good.

Whooooooo! Go time!

No excuses. Just bowl. High Score wins! Make the Adjustment!

Mullans pro shop Richmond, Va.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2011, 08:19:48 AM »

I thought of a way to possibly deter this without changing the rules for practice - at least for televised finals:

Have Rob Stone and Randy Peterson call the players out for doing this. And by calling them out, something to the effect of "Mika didn't think he had a prayer against the higher rev rate guys so he burnt up Rash's and Belmo's preferred line on this 45 ft pattern. Mika doesn't think he's got a shot at winning without ruining their line's...".

This could be effective. If guys are called out for doing it, I think you'll see less of it. A lot of these guys have huge egos and getting called an inferior player playing defense might set some guys off, forcing them to man up. Obviously it won't affect some guys who will try to win at any and all costs, even if that means a hit to their reputation. But I also think that the majority of guys/gals on tour would think twice before causing any harm to their image.

riggs · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2011, 08:38:43 AM »

These guys are bowling for their living and it's not against the current rules. "Shame" will have ZERO impact.

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storm making it rain · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2011, 08:44:25 AM »

LeftyWall,

While I don't like the practices of the players on burning up their opponents lines, I know that if I was bowling for a living and I needed to do this to make my paycheck I would without question.

What I'd like to see is them have a warmup pair for the players waiting to bowl, and then give them 2 balls on each lane like a lot of tournaments do. From my point of view these guys are the best of the best, they should have a game plan in place and be able to read the lanes within a few shots.

Do you really think Mika, or Belmo, or Rash really care if they get called out by anyone if they are walking out of the center with the title and first place check? I dont think so!!

Edited by storm making it rain on 12/8/2011 at 9:45 AM

Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2011, 08:54:44 AM »

Why this point is SO difficult for some individuals to concede is beyond me......

storm making it rain wrote on 12/8/2011 9:44 AM:
While I don't like the practices of the players on burning up their opponents lines, I know that if I was bowling for a living and I needed to do this to make my paycheck I would without question.

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LookingForALeftyWall · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2011, 09:30:33 AM »

Riggs,

You hit the nail on the head: These guys bowl for a living...and thus earn some of their money from sponsors and some own their own pro shops (Bill O'Neil, Wes Malott, etc.). Tournament earnings are only a portion of their keep. Shaming can go a long way towards determining who can and will get that sponsorship money. Marketability does play into it for some players. Obviously, shaming doesn't mean squat to a guy that doesn't have to worry about selling equipment to others through their pro shop or worrying about getting that lumber liqidators commercial...however, on the higher end of the spectrum, the guys at top do have to worry about their rep. If I were the head of a bowling ball manufacturer and one of my sponsored guys was doing this, I would worry about the damage to the rep of the company...but hey, everyone is different in how they would react to this and I acknowledge that. Just my 2 cents...

riggs · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2011, 10:23:43 AM »

Leftywall, this stuff has been going on for years and by pretty much all the players who make shows at one point or another. Mike Devaney makes these points in the PBA message boards and on my Facebook page. This is NOT an isolated incident and you can't use shame against anyone when EVERYONE is doing it.

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Russell · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2011, 12:08:56 PM »

So I've asked this with no response in the past....it's not against the rules to cough in your opponent's backswing in golf, or walk across their line before they putt...yet it never happens. Why is this? Why is bowling creating this defensive element that doesn't exist in other major sports with similar structures? Helping yourself is one thing, but impeding your opponent's game is taking the game down a dark road.

We wonder why bowling is a punch line....

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

riggs · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2011, 04:09:08 AM »

And the thing I have asked many times is how do you craft a rule that prevents defense that makes sense. Example -- you can't throw your plastic ball down the lane to mess up your opponents shot but how do you differentiate between practicing spare shots and messing up your opponents shots. It's almost impossible to craft such a rule.

Limited practice or using separate pairs is the only logical thing I can see.

Do you have a different idea?

Russell wrote on 12/8/2011 1:08 PM:
So I've asked this with no response in the past....it's not against the rules to cough in your opponent's backswing in golf, or walk across their line before they putt...yet it never happens. Why is this? Why is bowling creating this defensive element that doesn't exist in other major sports with similar structures? Helping yourself is one thing, but impeding your opponent's game is taking the game down a dark road.

We wonder why bowling is a punch line....

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

The No. 1 source for bowling news, analysis and opinion is my blog, The 11th Frame, which is here:
http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/

Russell · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2011, 08:23:52 AM »

Riggs I agree that is the only way to craft a rule....anything else would have to be subjective. Someone would have to "judge" whether a player was using malice in breaking down the pair.

What would be more productive is the players get together and agree to start abiding by a gentlemen's code, and making a rule unnecessary. That's why I compared it to golf....there are no rules against coughing and tap dancing on your opponent's putting line....but it never happens. There's a respect for the game and the competition that doesn't exist anymore in bowling. It would take the players to make that change.

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

Track_Fanatic · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2011, 11:05:41 AM »

The comparison of bowling to golf has been brought up before and you cannot compare the two. The prize fund is completely different for one. It also can't be said that 'if bowlers had more etiquette that it would gain sponsors' If bowlers were to make the money that golfers do, I can understand the comparison. Golfers have always had prize funds that are astronomical compared to bowling. Coughing in the middle of a back swing wouldn't be playing defense. Sure, a golfer could intentionally walk in the golfers line and dig their cleats and move the green to change the line, but it's also not the same 'line' the other golfer would be lining up for most of the time to where bowling lanes are the same all the time and it's just how each bowler attacks them. Yes, there was the issue with the water bottle though. Still, it's a dead issue as far as the accuser and accused are concerned (at least thats what was said last Sunday) If a golfer could change the way a golf course plays(which is impossible) such as you can change the way a bowling alley can play, do you think they wouldn't? Bowlers are out there trying to survive and do something they love and have passion for. It's not like you can make a real living on tour with the prize fund they have as well as had back in the day.

Edited by Track_Fanatic on 12/10/2011 at 12:06 PM

Russell · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2011, 02:49:25 PM »

Actually if you follow golf back to the 70s they made similar money to bowlers at that time. Yes they play for a lot more, but wouldn't that be even more reason to try and gain an advantage? Often the difference in 1st and 2nd is $500,000 or more. For a player who is on their rookie season that is life changing money. Why wouldn't that player disrupt their opponent to try and gain an advantage?

I just disagree...if a non bowler tuned into bowling and saw some of the story lines they might think that bowling was right there with wrestling. What the bowlers are doing to disrupt each other is as important during the show as what skill they possess.

Track_Fanatic wrote on 12/10/2011 12:05 PM:The comparison of bowling to golf has been brought up before and you cannot compare the two. The prize fund is completely different for one. It also can't be said that 'if bowlers had more etiquette that it would gain sponsors' If bowlers were to make the money that golfers do, I can understand the comparison. Golfers have always had prize funds that are astronomical compared to bowling. Coughing in the middle of a back swing wouldn't be playing defense. Sure, a golfer could intentionally walk in the golfers line and dig their cleats and move the green to change the line, but it's also not the same 'line' the other golfer would be lining up for most of the time to where bowling lanes are the same all the time and it's just how each bowler attacks them. Yes, there was the issue with the water bottle though. Still, it's a dead issue as far as the accuser and accused are concerned (at least thats what was said last Sunday) If a golfer could change the way a golf course plays(which is impossible) such as you can change the way a bowling alley can play, do you think they wouldn't? Bowlers are out there trying to survive and do something they love and have passion for. It's not like you can make a real living on tour with the prize fund they have as well as had back in the day.

Edited by Track_Fanatic on 12/10/2011 at 12:06 PM

Little known fact: In Russian "Hope" and "Change" translate to "Tax" and "Spend"

Dave81644 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2011, 04:16:52 PM »

should be like most of the tournaments us house hacks enter

2 on each lane to keep it fair.

we don't get a warm up pair before nats, although we do get 10 min

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