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Title: pdw?
Post by: strikenout on January 31, 2010, 04:55:15 AM
look good against oneil what happend against wrw.... i would of hollered at the camera person also and said i few choice words off camera......i just think he need a ball change get away from the invasion... could probaby went straighter with weaker ball choice but that just me i wasnt there only what i see.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Fishbowl815 on January 31, 2010, 01:41:53 PM
Weber is a total jack*** and I'm glad he lost once again on T.V...He could of went about that a different way than he did but it was all an act cause that is all he is anymore.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Bill Thomas on January 31, 2010, 02:17:05 PM
Yep, he's a real nothing.  Just look the last two weeks he only made one broadcast and missed another by 1 pin.  Do any of you people have any idea just what it takes to compete at the level that PDW and WRW do at such advanced ages?

It was my impression from what was said that it was a professional photographer whose camera flashed.  If so, he certainly should have known better and deserved the chewing out he got from Pete and hopefully will get more grief from the PBA staff.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: DON DRAPER on January 31, 2010, 04:37:56 PM
weber got two brooklyn strikes and still got crushed by walter ray. williams owns weber on tv.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: racincowboy3 on January 31, 2010, 06:13:59 PM
PDW flew off he handle during qualifying for guys walking behind him while he was on the approach.  threw the ball down on the rack and yelled at everyone.  

He was throwing the reign well during qual too.  should have went to that!
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: ralphiejantz on January 31, 2010, 09:29:54 PM
pdw is a fool
seriously old man lose the glasses on TV you look like a fool

I do respect the accomplishments he's made in the sport but I just cant stand his attitude and his demeanor

Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Stan on January 31, 2010, 09:41:36 PM
I think you have to give him a break.  This was a special tournament for him and obviously, he wanted to win it very bad.  He tried too hard and sometime tonight he will realize that he could have handled the camera person in a more professional manner because at the time the match was over.  When winning is everything, unfortunatley your brain tends to take some time off.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: snowspike1 on February 01, 2010, 12:58:17 AM
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I think you have to give him a break.  This was a special tournament for him and obviously, he wanted to win it very bad.  He tried too hard and sometime tonight he will realize that he could have handled the camera person in a more professional manner because at the time the match was over.  When winning is everything, unfortunatley your brain tends to take some time off.


the match was and wasn't over.. he needed 9 in 2 balls and with the reaction he was having i could have forseen a 46710 or worse, but with that toss and getting 9 then it was over. that is where Pete had to do what he did to prevent it from happening in the next match.

Its to bad that to get a pay check from storm he was throwing a ball that was way too much.  So much for the "latest and greatest" a ball rep for him (or anyone he would listen to) should have got him to change balls and not just to a diff drilling

I cant think of the last time Pete won this tournament (i think once if ever) and again WRW took him to the boards. Not sure why it happens to PDW when against WRW but he needs to find the answer.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on February 01, 2010, 05:07:08 AM
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Its to bad that to get a pay check from storm he was throwing a ball that was way too much.  So much for the "latest and greatest" a ball rep for him (or anyone he would listen to) should have got him to change balls and not just to a diff drilling



Exactly what I was thinking.  The ROF is just as new....but likely just got too stubborn and locked in it one way.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: kjl456 on February 01, 2010, 08:34:30 AM
I wonder if the stronger mass bias balls Storm has been making since 2006/7 are negatively affecting Pete's game - especially on tv when the conditions can get especially difficult. The stronger the mass bias, the more angular the reaction - something Pete can create all by himself, perhaps more easily than anyone else. When he has used one of those balls on tv in the past few years generally he has had a poor result. The last time he won - 2007 US Open - he was using an Agent, a ball with a symmetric core, for most of the broadcast. His best bowling after that on tv in a loss was at the plastic ball championship - he crushed Chris Barnes and then lost to Jeff Carter - but he was in the pocket the whole game - just left a few too many 10's.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: joeschmoe on February 01, 2010, 08:51:21 AM
It seems like Petey isn't in the right frame of mind on TV, he seems to let everything bother him...
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: trash heap on February 01, 2010, 10:11:35 AM
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It was my impression from what was said that it was a professional photographer whose camera flashed. If so, he certainly should have known better and deserved the chewing out he got from Pete and hopefully will get more grief from the PBA staff.


Was there a flash? (Anyone who has this recorded should be able to see it clearly happenning) I thought it was a noize or was it that monitor. WRW was having trouble with the monitor in the upper left corner when it was switching camera angles. I wonder if this is what Pete was getting upset about and blamed the photographer by mistake.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: trash heap on February 01, 2010, 10:13:49 AM
Also, Did Ryan Shafer lay an F Bomb?
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: gsback on February 01, 2010, 10:30:43 AM
I don't believe there was a flash as he explicitly stated that he heard the click or something to that.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Rileybowler on February 01, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
I think it's all in his head, he hasn't won in such a long time he is starting to doubt himself and until he wins it's going to be more and more presure on him ( by himself)
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Fishbowl815 on February 01, 2010, 10:50:23 AM
Someone on another form said he was there and PW was complaining about it clicking however with these new cameras you can't really hear them unless you have super power for ears so it was just PW being a a** like he always is....I hope he keeps getting on tv and using the latest and greatest hook in the box from Storm and keeps getting his butt handed to him, it makes for great tv. I just curious because from what I heard he threw a Reing alot for qualifing so were was that ball at?
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 01, 2010, 11:02:57 AM
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It's not the balls, and it's not the layouts or his ball rep forcing him to use balls.  Schlemmer is not an idiot, he knows his stuff.  Prob the 2nd best ball rep to Rick Benoit.

His Storm guys believe in him, and his choices in equipment for them.  


It's all Pete, the issues come from this alternate persona that he has.  Its time he loses the d-bag act and just bowls with aggression.  He acts like a big pre madonna.  This isnt the feisty aggressive Pete Weber of the 80s and 90s.  Its the d-bag, entitlement version.
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Actually.  Yes.  It was the ball choice plain and simple.  Ever try to play 5th arrow with a pin down drilling on a dull solid coverstock?  The ball loses energy fast and has nothing left for the backend to carry corner pins.  Then, enter Fagan.  Shiny pearl cover, pin OVER his middle finger.  He had way more room at the breakpoint then PDW playing a similar part of the lane and his carry % was wayyy better.  If PDW tightened his line and got out to where Oneill was too quickly, the ball checked up at 30 feet.  He moved inside and the ball labored on the back BADLY.  It was ball choice my friend and it was horrible.  If he threw the Reign, it would have been a different story.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Brunswick_fan_BrandonH on February 01, 2010, 11:06:45 AM
I heard the clicking of the shutter on the telecast.  Also, I would think that the flashing of the red scoreboard would reflect on the lane when they are bowling and make a distraction.  When they show the camera from behind the players down the lane, it always seems that they update the score in the middle of the players approaches which makes the scores flash off the lane surface.  And, he should have changed balls so that it wasn't crashing the pocket.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: 700Virgin on February 01, 2010, 11:31:21 AM
Yep - had to hit rewind on the DVR a couple times to make sure.  5 second time delays coming for bowling!!

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Also, Did Ryan Shafer lay an F Bomb?
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 01, 2010, 01:39:44 PM
As I have stated in another thread on this topic,the manufacturers put pressure on the bowler to advertise their latest and greatest releases on the TV show every week. If the head honchos really cared about the pro then they would let him use whatever ball he wanted to for the TV show. If PDW threw a Reign all week then Storm should have let him throw the Reign on the telecast...HOWEVER what would happen then? The general population would be seeing PDW using a midline ball to compete on the PBA Tour! Oh my we can't have that!!!!

This was evidenced even more if you look at Ryan Shafer's ball of choice...a Virtual Energy?!?!?!? WTF is up with that??? He should never even consider picking up that ball...EVER! Did it not seem as though the ball was overreacting? Ya think??? Maybe a less aggressive ball would have helped? DUH!

Schlemmer should know better....match the ball to the pro and let them make the BRAND look good...forget about the individual ball model...make the brand look good and then putt he model choice in the pro shop guys' hands to pick the right ball Storm ball for Joe Bowler.

Am I wrong or would a Hyroad/Reign or Fast/Furious have been better choices for either of the Storm guys yesterday?

C-300 had a fit when David Ozio wanted to use a Blue Dot in the finals at the Mechanicsburg Open one year (he threw it all week and led the field by 500 pins)

Brunswick execs. had a coronary when Brad Angelo was using a Powergroove on TV the other year.

Remember when Walter Ray won a title using a Maxim a few years back?

Personally I think it's a feather in the cap for the manufacturer...."Hey, look at that! Our guy used one of our mid-price balls to whoop up on their guy and he was using their high end ball. Guess our mid-price stuff performs better than their expensive stuff eh?" The fact that it isn't 100% that simple is another story but it makes for great press :-)
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Dan Belcher on February 01, 2010, 02:03:50 PM
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Am I wrong or would a Hyroad/Reign or Fast/Furious have been better choices for either of the Storm guys yesterday?
Actually, Shafer was using the Virtual Energy only on the left lane (the same lane where PDW was using the pin down drilled Invasion) and he DID throw a Hy-Road on the right lane.

Maybe the shot played tighter in practice before the show than it did all week? (Remember, the shot never plays the same on Sunday as it does the rest of the week. Heck, it never plays the same on Friday as it does on Thursday according to everything I've ever read!) If that's the case, they probably all liked the reaction they got with stronger equipment in practice. But after they burned up the lanes, they started to create an over/under look, and yet they didn't really feel confident changing balls? I wouldn't just immmediately put this one on Schlemer wanting his staffers to throw the new strong stuff.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Dan Belcher on February 01, 2010, 02:16:30 PM
Schlem usually writes a pretty detailed article about ball choice on the TV show each week. Maybe that will give us some insight.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 01, 2010, 02:21:27 PM
I never said Chris Schlemmer was the one to blame. It's my opinion that Storm wants the new, high end balls used. It's Schlemmer's job to make the match ups.

Pete Weber has ALWAYS bowled better with lower level equipment....remember his days with AMF and the Bobcat?

Ryan Shafer also typically does better with rollier, less aggressive equipment (i.e. Tourpower, Tidalwave Wipeout solid, Shock Trauma).

The point here is the fact that the balls these guys had in their hands were not the ones for the shot. Pete's showing did nothing to improve the public appeal of the Invasion. The Mission looked like wayyyyyy better of a ball in Fagan's hands.

I would think that both Storm and Chris Schlemmer would be able to predict the fact that the lanes would break down and that both Pete and Ryan were going to have problems.

If it was a dictate by Storm to use the balls they did, shame on Storm for not knowing the strengths of their "employees".

If Schlemmer made the call, shame on him for not thinking ahead and playing the "what if?" transition game.

If the balls chosen were the choices of the bowlers then shame on them for not knowing their own games and the equipment capabilities.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Fishbowl815 on February 01, 2010, 02:53:50 PM
Ok I don't know what happen all week or know the Storm ball Rep but I don't see how you go from throwing a Reign all week and move to an Invasion. If the lanes were tighter wouldn't you go with the ROF or a stronger Reign. Just my opinion here but I bet the Mission winning last week and having the #1 spot this week had something to do with picking the new release by Storm but I could be very wrong.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 01, 2010, 03:18:56 PM
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Yep, he's a real nothing.  Just look the last two weeks he only made one broadcast and missed another by 1 pin.  Do any of you people have any idea just what it takes to compete at the level that PDW and WRW do at such advanced ages?

It was my impression from what was said that it was a professional photographer whose camera flashed.  If so, he certainly should have known better and deserved the chewing out he got from Pete and hopefully will get more grief from the PBA staff.




Sir
Wow,  you actually understood what he was writing...

But if what you say is so, { since I have not yet seen the show ] I agree with you...

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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 01, 2010, 04:05:14 PM
Those of you voicing your concern regarding my ignorance on this subject will be happy to know I have "spoken" with someone within Storm. He has provided me with an explanation as to why the choice was made and his explanation makes complete and total sense.

Apparently the manufacturers are indeed pushing the "make the brand look good, not the ball" mentality these days.

I remember the day when Norm Duke was with Columbia and Bryan Goebel was with Ebonite. The finals that day featured the Beast vs the Gyro Pro...a battle of who could win with the least expensive ball. Gotta love it.....

Again my apologies to the Storm faithfuls for the bad information...it appears the bowling business may have a chance afterall...
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 01, 2010, 04:13:18 PM
Well Blinky I was basing my information on what was previously known. I have several examples of where the corporate bigwigs have pushed their players to use the new and better mousetrap....even when it didn't benefit them to do so.

I see things have changed and I am glad to see the change.

'Nuff said....
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 01, 2010, 04:21:42 PM
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Nobody is mocking your so called ignorance, but just trying to tell you (the pro shop) should have the latest and correct information.   That is just it.  Nobody faults you, as you did not know.  

Maybe you shouldnt of made two posts about how the companies push balls, with out being totally informed, because people on here respect you and will take what you say as truth.

Anyhow, its not a big deal at the end of the day.  You now know and you can help to inform other people who are in the dark about the bowling balls used.

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Edited on 2/1/2010 5:11 PM





Binky,  If Pete stayed with this ball too long, I can believe there was a reason...

If your company has just brought out a new ball, the last thing they probably want to see is you using an older model...

I remember when Barnes was with Brunswick... He hardly ever used their current ball... He was using some extremely weak entry level ball...

That didn't help sales for their new high end releases....

And since the bowlers using Ebonite's new Mission don't seem to be having a problem with it,  I can see why Storm MAY have wanted him to stay with the Invasion....

And are you saying that companies don't push their new releases...

Where you from....

Mayberry...

Get real..
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: NeverLearn on February 01, 2010, 05:58:43 PM
So, bottomline, Pete failed on his own on TV, in his father's Memorial tournament, yet again. So, he's learned nothing from his father and contnues that "traditon", in his pitiful arrogance.

With his talent, he should have won more than 60 PBA tournaments by now. His arrogance and his disdain for his father's heritage are the sole cause of that failure.  Pathetic is the only word that comes to mind.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: storm making it rain on February 01, 2010, 06:20:24 PM
If the manufacturers put soooo much pressure on these guys to use the up and coming or newest releases why was Ryan Shafer using a Hyroad and a Virtual Energy? Did he not care was the manufacturer thought or "told" him to do? If they do indeed get bonuses for winning the tourney with the newest ball, did he not care to get that money??
   I think some of you guys are ridiculous with some of this stuff, Weber didn't have a good look really all day.
   Congrats to Fagan he bowled great all week and was more than well deserved for the win.  I think now that he's won his first singles title he's gonna go on a tear.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: BrunsMike on February 01, 2010, 06:22:19 PM
My response is to the guy who mentioned the LED Scoreboard and seeing it lightup during the bowler's approach.

Camera's can pick up how it see's light frequancies. I don't know if you've ever seen a news telecast and see them flashing or have a dark bar scrolling on the monitor, that's because the camera is picking up the 60hz. (how many time's the screen refreshes in a second) LED Light is much slower, so while it look's like the scoreboard is turning off/then on during the bowler's approach, it's really not. I've been to several PBA TV Final's and seen this scoreboard, it stay's on the entire time.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 02, 2010, 06:30:27 AM
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Why are you not on tour Vance, since you know it all.   You and your two hands would be part of the star filled circus.  Some of you people who know it all should work as a ball rep, or bowl on tour and help the people like PDW. He must be as dumb as rocks, since he cant seem to figure out what ball to use.

Schlemmer must be a clown too, he must be too stupid to be a tour rep as well.

Maybe you can get his job.


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Edited on 2/1/2010 2:13 PM


Then let me ask you this.  When YOU roll a ball down the lane and you see a weak corner pin and then move off of that and the ball checks up and goes BROOKLYN, what does that tell you?  

To answer your question about why I am not on Tour, it is because my kids need more more than the Tour does.  I made decisions in my life years ago that I have to deal with.  Being able to spend time with my kids will give me way more excitement than the Tour would ever give me.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 02, 2010, 08:30:39 AM
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To answer your question about why I am not on Tour, it is because my kids need more more than the Tour does. I made decisions in my life years ago that I have to deal with. Being able to spend time with my kids will give me way more excitement than the Tour would ever give me.


Steven, you have got that right...now if more parents felt like that in today's society things would be a whole lot better.....
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Stickythumbhole on February 02, 2010, 10:20:47 AM
Pete has drain bamage.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 01:51:31 PM
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Doug Sterner, your a well respected guy, but you have no idea what your talking about.  

The incentive money is peanuts.  A lot of the companies are starting to care less about the ball used, but focused on getting the W.

People talk all the time about how Brunswick forces bowlers to use balls.  Ive chatted with Rick Benoit here and there, he doesnt force any B ball on any player.  The win is the important prize.

Schlemmer is the same way, he doesnt force balls on players.  They all believe in Storms line up and the ability of Chris Schlemmer.  

People have no idea about the PBA and what goes on.
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Edited on 2/1/2010 3:03 PM

Edited on 2/1/2010 3:03 PM




Actually he does....Ok  lets review what balls have been used over the last 6 weeks....

The Pure Swing, Evil Siege, The Mission, The Invasion, The Total Bedlam, The Reign of Fire, the Break Out, The Jigsaw Corner...

And all of these balls are new releases...

Now why is that.....I firmly believe that in some cases, the Ball companies do want their new product used on TV...

I still remember when Barnes was with Brunswick... He won using a 2 year old purple DQ entry level ball.... And won,,, However that did nothing, nothing at "tall" for any of their new line of balls, at that time...

So yes, I do believe they want to see their staffers using their new products...

Seeing Pete with the Invasion is probably better then seeing him throw a Triple X....  

So yes,  I think he does indeed know what he is talking about...
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Fishbowl815 on February 02, 2010, 02:17:24 PM
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Can somebody make this tool bag JLS go away.  Who is this clown, does anybody really know?
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He's a black sorry African American pro shop owner who likes chicken and pizza and he lives in the ghetto...He doesn't like online pro shops, Chris Barnes, Storm, and people who know how to use keyboards...
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Fishbowl815 on February 02, 2010, 02:22:05 PM
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Sounds like he needs a few sessions on the couch, and some pills to got to a happy place.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 02:24:31 PM
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Why are you not on tour Vance, since you know it all.   You and your two hands would be part of the star filled circus.  Some of you people who know it all should work as a ball rep, or bowl on tour and help the people like PDW. He must be as dumb as rocks, since he cant seem to figure out what ball to use.

Schlemmer must be a clown too, he must be too stupid to be a tour rep as well.

Maybe you can get his job.


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Edited on 2/1/2010 2:13 PM



Doug,  this idiot is nothing but a wan a bee,  a naive one at that...

He's a child in a mans world....

I clearly pointed out to this fool, that just about all the balls used are NEW RELEASES... But he's way too stupid to understand that...So he really thinks Weber is stupid....

People seeing Weber using the new Invasion sells...

People seeing Barnes use a 2 year old DQ ball, does not...

He's a clown with a big mouth...
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Fishbowl815 on February 02, 2010, 02:34:10 PM
I'm sorry I got one wrong my bad.
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 02:47:59 PM
Has anyone notice that this child named Blinky can''t seem to answer a simple question...

Why is it that just about everyone who has made the TV finals over the last 6 weeks, have been using new releases... Except tor the HyRoad...

I took the time to list all the balls used...

And this idiot does is attack...

He can''t come up with any reason that just about everyone is USING NEW RELEASES...

Isn''t that amazing,  just about all the pros making the show are using the latest releases..


Which clearly shows he is nothing but a keyboard pounding lowlife who surfs the net in his underwear, in his basement...

You see, it would require him to actually think,  therefore he can''t reply as to why just about all use new releases...
But Doug and myself, real pro shop people,  have tried to explain why this is...

But pond scum like dinky only know how to bash...

nothing but a lowlife
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Edited on 2/2/2010 3:48 PM
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 03:00:34 PM
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZ boring, snore, boring ZZZZZZZZ boring.

I can type without even looking at my key board. I do not pound it.  I have memorized the letters rather well.  No need to poke and hope at my key board.

The technique I use is to tap the keys with a short, but aggressive tap.  A very good blend of power and accuracy.  

I would imagine people like yourself would have to pound the key board.  Being that your still neanderthal and primitive.  




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Another post where this child CAN"T respond to the question at hand...

He sure can attack, but he has clearly shown that he can't come up with any reason why so many, use the newest releases...

Yet he sure can knock Doug and myself...

This site is full of wan a bees... Know it all's from their keyboards at work...

Blinky,  why not put your money where you big mouth is child...

Open a pro shop, since your an expert...


YOUR A JOKE

now

"listen up"


are we clear


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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on February 02, 2010, 03:12:44 PM
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He's a black sorry African American pro shop owner


Hey don't give him to us, he ain't Black...

hey Binky, who are you, anyway? Apparently no one else but you knows anything...


Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on February 02, 2010, 03:13:54 PM
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A big bully that has to act like he is something special and then pick on and attack anyone who doesnt agree with him.


Isn't that EXACTLY what you have done throughout this entire thread, Binky?
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: brett_dubbin on February 02, 2010, 03:18:31 PM
I know Mr. Pacman Ghost.... He and I are good pals, and to anyone who thinks negatively, he is a fine bowler and competes at the regional level. He is also very knowledgeable and generally a very friendly, decent chap, however, it would appear jls attacked first, thus inciting the thread this has become, that's all, thanks.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: OddBalls on February 02, 2010, 03:18:54 PM
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He's a black sorry African American pro shop owner


Hey don't give him to us, he ain't Black...

hey Binky, who are you, anyway? Apparently no one else but you knows anything...





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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 03:58:18 PM
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I know Mr. Pacman Ghost.... He and I are good pals, and to anyone who thinks negatively, he is a fine bowler and competes at the regional level. He is also very knowledgeable and generally a very friendly, decent chap, however, it would appear jls attacked first, thus inciting the thread this has become, that's all, thanks.
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Well your good pal had no problem calling Doug Ignorant...

Maybe you would like to explain why just about everyone on the shows for the last 6 weeks have been using the new releases...

Your friend Dinky has been ducking this question...Yet he bash's Doug and myself for saying that the ball companies do indeed benefit from their new releases being used...

It is a simple question,  buy Dinky has no answer, so all he does is bash...

And then he must have called you to come on and help him...

I took the time to clearly point out that ball companies do not benefit when an old DQ ball is used... The Barnes example many years ago...

But dinky can't address that, and all he is capable of doing is posting stupid talk...

Now maybe you would like to address that...

Why are JUST ABOUT all the PRO'S on TV USING the LATEST RELEASES...

Is it because they match up to the shot.... Or could it be that it makes good BUSINESS sense to have their new releases seen on TV...

Especially since many of their old models are out of production...

Now I don't know you, but I do know that Dinky is not able to address the topic...

He would rather just attack people in the business...



your turn to reply
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 04:22:27 PM
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It's not the balls, and it's not the layouts or his ball rep forcing him to use balls.  Schlemmer is not an idiot, he knows his stuff.  Prob the 2nd best ball rep to Rick Benoit.

His Storm guys believe in him, and his choices in equipment for them.  


It's all Pete, the issues come from this alternate persona that he has.  Its time he loses the d-bag act and just bowls with aggression.  He acts like a big pre madonna.  This isnt the feisty aggressive Pete Weber of the 80s and 90s.  Its the d-bag, entitlement version.
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Wow,  How many titles has Pete won.... Using Storm equipment....

And how many has his tour rep won.....

Now this sure seems to be The First POST to come on and attack...

Tell that to your buddy who you had to call to help you...

Then later you bash Doug and called him Ignorant.

I guess your buddy missed that also...

And when I posted agreeing with Doug,  you attack me...

Now it is true,  I did ask where you were from...

But I thought that was a good honest question...

Cause your so naive at things in the RETAIL world... I just figured you must be from MayBerry....


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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: snowspike1 on February 02, 2010, 04:42:19 PM
correct me if i'm wrong but i thought for sure i seen the VE being thrown....

Thats not a "new release".. At the rate these balls are being pumped out its about retired.

How can throwing the Invasion in the match against WRW show how good the ball is.  To me it looked like a turd.

why on earth would he be throwing the latest "hook monster" when a VE or Regin would have been better.

The mission isn't a "heavy oil ball" and look what it did. (2 shows in a row).

either PDW had something to try and prove (to himself or what), he ws going to get an extra pay check, or he has lost the what it takes to make a good ball choice for the tv shows.  shomewhere it was said he threw a regin in the earier (no tv) rounds. If it worked then why not for tv....


Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: brett_dubbin on February 02, 2010, 05:03:10 PM
I guess the new releases thing kinda depends on what they see in practice, and what they've used throughout qualifying and match play... personally I don't think companies push certain balls for TV, but then again I am not on tour and ppl will generally tell you what you want to hear, so it is what it is I suppose. I personally don't use any "new" releases at all on the PBA patterns, my stuff is all within the past year, year and a half, but by no means has it "just released" and I seem to get a reaction that is perfectly fine out of my equiptment, of course execution is a whole different story :-P

As for calling Doug ignorant, I don't think he was trying to say it in a demeaning way, he just chose poor wording, I think he was trying to say that without personally talking to someone with a said company, one shouldn't make general assumptions, but it's ok, I think he and Doug cleared the air on that one.

I don't actually post on here as much as I would like because it seems that many are not too keen on constructive criticism, even when said politely, and for the most part if someone doesn't see something perfectly like someone else, a war of words ensues, I think if everyone here just took the time to read what everyone thinks, and takes it in and thinks about it, whether they agree or not, we can all provide constructive advice, and learn a lot more. That's all.
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 05:06:26 PM
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correct me if i'm wrong but i thought for sure i seen the VE being thrown....

Thats not a "new release".. At the rate these balls are being pumped out its about retired.

How can throwing the Invasion in the match against WRW show how good the ball is.  To me it looked like a turd.

why on earth would he be throwing the latest "hook monster" when a VE or Regin would have been better.

The mission isn't a "heavy oil ball" and look what it did. (2 shows in a row).

either PDW had something to try and prove (to himself or what), he ws going to get an extra pay check, or he has lost the what it takes to make a good ball choice for the tv shows.  shomewhere it was said he threw a regin in the earier (no tv) rounds. If it worked then why not for tv....






Sir, the Mission is for med heavy to heavy oil...2000 a pad oob...

And maybe the success the ball had the last two shows had some bearing on why he used the Invasion...

The Invasion is Storm's new Oil ball....And to my knowledge, had not made a show.....  Until Pete uses it... At least, I had not seen it used...

Now two weeks ago,  all the hype was on the new Storm release, the Invasion...

But since the Mission has won 2 straight events... The hype on the Invasion has cooled down... And the hype on the Mission is at an all time high....

Now this person Dinky,  seems to feel that Pete Weber is an idiot when it comes to bowling...  Yes he may be cocky... But I think he does know how to bowl...

And for whatever reason, he did use the Invasion...  

I think what Doug and myself are saying is,  yes it could be possible Storm wanted the exposure for this new release... Especially since the Mission is being used on the same shot......

This dinky person once again has clearly shown his age... that be 9...


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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: brett_dubbin on February 02, 2010, 05:10:40 PM
I didn''t actually see the show this week, so I can''t say how the Invasion looked, but just speaking from knowing how PDW likes to play the lanes (inside) I think the Invasion was probably a poor choice, expecially on a TV pair which breaks down faster and differently. Now, I base this on what I have seen in person from the Invasion, that is, a smoother rolling asym ball, which when playing the inside, eh idk, would one not want a little more skid/flip ( Reign ). Idk Like I said I can''t personally say, and I will say yes PDW knows how to bowl, he''s on tour, I am not, but he is kind of a D-Bag, and I personally don''t like him much, but to each his own, right?


Upon edit, yes the Mission has huge hype right now, especially with how good Kelly made it look at the TOC, also Ebonite has been on the fade recently with the success of Malott and Storm/Roto in general on tour, but I think it''s good for Ebonite that may have a new great ball like the original One was, pending longevity of course which has yet to be determined.
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Edited on 2/2/2010 6:12 PM
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 02, 2010, 05:19:27 PM
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I didn't actually see the show this week, so I can't say how the Invasion looked, but just speaking from knowing how PDW likes to play the lanes (inside) I think the Invasion was probably a poor choice, expecially on a TV pair which breaks down faster and differently. Now, I base this on what I have seen in person from the Invasion, that is, a smoother rolling asym ball, which when playing the inside, eh idk, would one not want a little more skid/flip ( Reign ). Idk Like I said I can't personally say, and I will say yes PDW knows how to bowl, he's on tour, I am not, but he is kind of a D-Bag, and I personally don't like him much, but to each his own, right?
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Sir, I can't argue with that... I don't Like Barnes for much of the same reasons...   But I do know Barnes can bowl...He's not an idiot... He did have a problem adjusting last week.. But that does not mean he can't bowl....

Now more then likely Pete had the Invasion polished,  much like Mika had the Mission polished, and more then likely so did Fagan...

And since both new releases are similar,  I can't see why anyone would think that Pete was using the wrong ball...Maybe the results were not good... But The Mission seemed to work...

To me,  it could have been poor adjustments....

But once again... Go back about 6 shows...  Most of the balls used were new releases... That right there should tell you that the ball companies want them on the show.... Otherwise, they would not be used...

Dinky is nothing but a child trying to act like a man...

He's a sad little poor excuse for a human.....

BTW, how many titles does Pete have again.....
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: brett_dubbin on February 02, 2010, 05:25:33 PM
Idk, like 30? haha
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: Rileybowler on February 02, 2010, 05:29:28 PM
Hey jl you must have really made an impression on Binky as he chaged his screen name and you are part of his new name. I wonder if he dreams about you at night or maybe even in the day time
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: jls on February 03, 2010, 08:38:22 AM
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Hey jl you must have really made an impression on Binky as he chaged his screen name and you are part of his new name. I wonder if he dreams about you at night or maybe even in the day time
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Carl
All that's ok,  it's cool... He screwing around... He dishes it out, but he can take it... And He doesn't cry IGGY LIST...  He's cool...

I do indeed see his point.  But I do really believe that it was and is in the best interest of any ball company to have their latest releases on the show...

And I for sure can understand why he dislikes Pete... Kinda Sorta the same reasons I dislike Barnes....

Now they are both Great bowlers...  It's their attitudes that I think we both dislike... For Blinky, it's Pete, and for me, it's Barnes..

Now the Missions should be hitting the door shortly...So I will be busy getting caught up...

Also just took 2 orders for the Invasion...

Could be a busy day....Talk to you later

take care guys
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Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on February 03, 2010, 11:19:28 AM
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I know Mr. Pacman Ghost.... He and I are good pals, and to anyone who thinks negatively, he is a fine bowler and competes at the regional level. He is also very knowledgeable and generally a very friendly, decent chap, however, it would appear jls attacked first, thus inciting the thread this has become, that's all, thanks.
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I know he's your friend and he's a good guy and all that, but he was attacking right from the start, before jls even arrived on the scene...
Title: Re: pdw?
Post by: The Stroke on February 03, 2010, 11:51:13 AM
Guy gets so flustered that he changed his screenname in an attempt to mock.  Someone tell him that this is the internet.
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