Post by: LuckyLefty on March 20, 2006, 10:10:45 AM
Ie someone would say for example....Chris Barnes is a powerful bowler! Say 425 rpms(my guess). Someone else would say Robert Smith is a powerful bowler(say 550 to 600 rpms).
Others who saw him would say Jimmy Keeth(rip) was a very powerful bowler(say 700 rpm).
Yet when I think of perfect power in bowling I think of Walter Ray near the end of his game this week driving the ball so hard and straight to the break pointas he did on the show this week until he tossed a weak pull to the left! As we say in some other games...blub blub!
To me....that's power the ability to drive the ball ....hard level and straight or close to straight to the break point. Mika's got it! Patrick Allen at his free armswinging best is fantastic atthsi .
Dave Davis th espeedy and elegant lefty who can drive it down the lane with no apparant efffort at near 19 mph at the pin deck has power of this kind in spades!
Randy Pederson at his level best throwing 10 or so years ago...now there is a man with Power!!!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS what do you think power is?
PPS do you think that Chris BArnes when dropping it into follow line with his 425 to 450 revs....is powerful???
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Edited on 3/20/2006 7:11 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on March 21, 2006, 09:33:47 AM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: LuckyLefty on March 21, 2006, 10:27:51 AM
He may have gone back or they are just growing like fine wine!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS at that tiem the figures I gave were accurate and Jimmy Keeth was almost 100 rpms higher than Mr. Smith
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Post by: chitown on March 23, 2006, 08:17:52 AM
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When I was at Kegel they gave lower figures for Mr. Smith.
He may have gone back or they are just growing like fine wine!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS at that tiem the figures I gave were accurate and Jimmy Keeth was almost 100 rpms higher than Mr. Smith
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If that's the case how come on every article you read they say that Robert Smith has the highest rev rate on tour? He was also clocked at having a 700+rpm strike shot and a 34mph spare shot.
Edited on 3/23/2006 9:17 AM
Post by: WSUstroker on March 23, 2006, 08:36:12 AM
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Post by: Pinbuster on March 23, 2006, 08:41:03 AM
The key is matching up speed, revs, breakpoint, etc to maximize the balls hitting potential for carry at the pocket.
All the guys on tour have learned to do this.
Walter Ray throws hard to keep his ball from hooking too soon and the ball losing its carry potential. He is not going to throw as many hits that have a scout to take out the ten because of his entry angle.
But the ability to turn the pins into shrapnel doesn’t do you any good if you can only hit the pocket 3 times a game.
Everybody wows at Rudy but it looks like he is going back to the tour qualifier for the 3rd time. All his power isn’t helping him get exempt.
It is the proper application of power that wins.
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 23, 2006, 08:44:10 AM
Several years ago.
Jimmy Keeth(RIP) went up there and broke the 700 barrier and that was the new record.
Jimmy also often threw spare balls over 30 mph!
What pure phyisical talent!
Both players have/had it in spades!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS fun to watch! Maybe Robert Smith has increased his rev rate...accidentally while trying to lower it!
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Post by: LuckyLefty on March 23, 2006, 08:45:08 AM
I believe it is penetration to the breakpoint.....
What do you think?
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Luckylefty
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Post by: 1fife on March 23, 2006, 08:46:39 AM
Post by: chitown on March 23, 2006, 09:45:08 AM
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Chitown, maybe its because Robert Smith is on tour, and Jimmy Keeth is not anymore?
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I understand that but from the vid of Jimmy Keeth that is posted on here it doesn't look like he is even close to 600 rpm. However it's tough to tell by looking at the vid.
Lucky take a look at the PBA site and look under Robert Smith. It talks a little about his rev rate. I will locate some articles that I have seen before about that.
Edited on 3/23/2006 10:50 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 23, 2006, 10:27:10 AM
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS bowled with Jimmy Keeth for a year in league next to 500 rpm guys...they looked like they were in neutral!
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Post by: chitown on March 23, 2006, 10:37:27 AM
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Kegel must have faulty equipment.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS bowled with Jimmy Keeth for a year in league next to 500 rpm guys...they looked like they were in neutral!
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Lucky I understand what your saying.
Can someone give me the rev rate of a 27 revolution shot?
Post by: chitown on March 23, 2006, 10:41:45 AM
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Kegel must have faulty equipment.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS bowled with Jimmy Keeth for a year in league next to 500 rpm guys...they looked like they were in neutral!
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I'm sorry lucky but making 500 rpm guys look like they were nuetral? I doubt that. I'm not saying he doesn't have a high rev release but come on. I wish someone would post a vid of this guy throwing high revs. The vid that was posted on here was not huge above normal revs.
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 23, 2006, 10:44:54 AM
However if near 15 mph it is near 500 rpms...if near 19 mph at pins it is about 700.
Just off the top of my head.
However...we are off subject...my point is that Walter Ray and Mika have more of what I call bowling power than anybody!
My contention...revs are not the answer! To the question...what is bowling power!
REgards,
Lukcylefty
PS Dave Davis has it in spades....Parker Bohn has it in spades and Randy Pederson at the peak of his career had it in spades!
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Post by: chitown on March 23, 2006, 11:10:51 AM
Now back to your post question. I think your correct. Power at the pins does not come soley from revs. From my own personaly experience I have found that when I use an end over end release from the outside playing down and in I get tramendous carry and pin action compared to playing my higher rev swing shot.
Jowdy claims that the end over end release is the best release to date. He says that it will create the best strike percentage. He also has stated in a few articles that he is surprised that more bowlers do not use this release.
I agree with your assesment that drive is power and not revs so much. I feel the roll is the most important.
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 23, 2006, 06:45:31 PM
Said if one does 27 revs to the end of the lane...if one guys ball takes 10 seconds to go down there it may only be 250 revolutions PER MINUTE.
If another guy does 27 revs to teh end of the lane if the ball takes 2.5 seconds to rotate these 27 revs to the end of teh lane then that is closer to 700 rpms.
That was the question...if I do X number of revs on the lane surface before pit how many Revolutions per Minute is that? ....time is a factor in the calcualtion of Revs PEr MINUTE!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I did no scientific calculation on how many revs times x speed is an exact count of 700...again Kegel must have erred when they recorded him in the 600s several years ago. My math was as simple as this...I have 13 to 14 revs per lane...I hit the pin deck at 15 or slightly less...my revs at Kegel were in the 280 to 320 range. Maybe when at Kegel he could only generate 26 revs that day or 25. There is no doubt...he is a revver...Jimmy Keeth had a bit more!
Both incredible out of this world powerful in the rev counting sense.
PPS I believe power is penetration to the breakpoint!
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