Author Topic: Rash (Read 11088 times)

mainzer · « **on:** February 12, 2012, 05:17:43 AM »

Can't wait to see Rash go Ape shit today

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Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2012, 11:57:58 AM »

Why in the world your spare shot be slower or faster than your regular shot? You're obviously doing extra things to your spare shot if people are telling you to throw it the same speed as your first shot. No defense for throwing it as hard as they do....especially watching them miss it regularly.

mainzer wrote on 2/13/2012 9:32 AM:

In the 10 pin thing I must defend Rash and Osku, I rifle it at my spares single and simple two pin conversions in particular. I hear it all the time when I miss one "why don't you slow down?" "why throw that hard?" "Throw it the same speed as the first shot." Well I gotta say it is very unnatural for me to slow my speed on spares down, the speed comes from my timing, I am not forcing it down their at 30 mph it happens through my swing. trying to slow it down creates immense issues in accuracy and timing and I end up missing more spares going slower than I do when I just let it fly.

So in that I know why they throw that hard, and I understand the method in it.

Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 2/13/2012 6:48 AM:

Yeah, he did but I don't know if he was mad or joking with them. Man does have his demons. One of the biggest ones is him feeling he needs to throw 30 miles per hour at a ten pin. Why? Osku does/did the same thing and it cost them both dearly as they flagged the pin in crucial situations.

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On Fire · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2012, 12:02:25 PM »

Yeah, I saw that too. At first I though he was going to accuse the shoes for squeezing a water bottle. But everyone was having issues with the approach right by the foul line.

Spider Man wrote on 2/12/2012 7:23 PM:I did see him get mad at his shoe for squeaking.

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mainzer · « **Reply #18 on:** February 13, 2012, 03:09:53 PM »

I throw it faster because that is how I am comfortable throwing at my spares, I throw harder yes, alot less knee bend and I walk a touch faster and straight at the pin I am throwing at. that is really the only different thing I do with my spares. I have tried to slow down numerous times and everything gets screwed up so. My usual first ball speed is around 18 and I can go slower and faster consistently as needed depending on lane conditions. Spare shot is around 24-25 MPH. Say what you will...this works for me.

Rash and Osku cannot be missing spares regularly if they are making t.v. shows. If you remember Mika who throws the same at his spares missed a ten pin in a big spot. Barnes throws the same speed and misses numerous spares also. IMO it is funny that you are calling PBA Members out on spare shooting methods. You nor I could hold a candle to them in their ability to shot spares.

If you watch the pros they all have their different methods of shooting spares, why should league bowlers be any different? Just wondering.

Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 2/13/2012 12:57 PM:
Why in the world your spare shot be slower or faster than your regular shot? You're obviously doing extra things to your spare shot if people are telling you to throw it the same speed as your first shot. No defense for throwing it as hard as they do....especially watching them miss it regularly.

mainzer wrote on 2/13/2012 9:32 AM:

In the 10 pin thing I must defend Rash and Osku, I rifle it at my spares single and simple two pin conversions in particular. I hear it all the time when I miss one "why don't you slow down?" "why throw that hard?" "Throw it the same speed as the first shot." Well I gotta say it is very unnatural for me to slow my speed on spares down, the speed comes from my timing, I am not forcing it down their at 30 mph it happens through my swing. trying to slow it down creates immense issues in accuracy and timing and I end up missing more spares going slower than I do when I just let it fly.

So in that I know why they throw that hard, and I understand the method in it.

Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 2/13/2012 6:48 AM:

Yeah, he did but I don't know if he was mad or joking with them. Man does have his demons. One of the biggest ones is him feeling he needs to throw 30 miles per hour at a ten pin. Why? Osku does/did the same thing and it cost them both dearly as they flagged the pin in crucial situations.

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JustRico · « **Reply #19 on:** February 13, 2012, 04:58:46 PM »

I remember doing a clinic/exhibition with Johnny Petraglia and someone asked him about shooting spares....his response was not on technique but preparation. He said he generally has taken more time over his career shooting spares than his first ball. Most of today's bowlers are so rushed or fried they left something they take no time at all and end up missing the spare.

Also it has been noted that Sean's tempo tends to get faster on the show, which has been previlant in some of his first balls shots, being faster or going brooklyn from being pulled...this will translate into spare shooting as well.

It is amazing how many spare are missed, at the pro level than ever before. Go watch a tourney...it is truly amazing from the days when Mark Roth would go weeks, not blocks without an open frame...not just a missed spare but an open frame.

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Mbosco · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2012, 01:38:43 AM »

I wonder if Brunswick is proud of how much Rash gets them on tv, or ashamed of the way he performs with their equipment once he makes it. My money's on proud...mostly.

Metal_rules · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:12:05 AM »

I also dislike seeing the same bowlers over and over again. But in there defense they are beating the others to make it to the show, so props to them for bowling well enough to get to the show. i personally like the old pba format - 5 man stepladder finals. bring that back please!

RayRay310 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:08:23 AM »

I actually didn't mind seeing WRW Jr. On every show when you actually had a grueling qualifying at different centers. Its fun to watch the best bowlers rise to the top. Not house hacks in Vegas.

jensm · « **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2012, 11:37:22 AM »

Belmo posted his shots so well in that final game. And how well he figured out the lanes transition in that game by changing to a more worn ball, move left and add a little loft.

I read somewhere that the PBA went from stepladder to lowest game elimination because they found that the stepladder gave the lower seeds the upper hand in keeping up with all the transitions in the oil patterns.

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BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2012, 11:25:20 AM »

maizer is right on what he said. Even pros get nervous. There is money and a title on the line. Mika is one of if not the best spare shooter on tour. It happens. You cannot miss single spare pins in qualifying much less match play and expect to make a show.

Btw wth was the deal in the final match with Belmonte when Rash went back behind the stands after his first shot? What the hell was that all about?

billdozer · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:33:58 AM »

I just watched the scorpion finals that I DVR'd.. rash is very good at 2 things, making the shows, and blowing the finals. He is supposed to be a professional and he certainly doesn't come across that way to me. I also feel that ever since bottlegate, the show producers are really catching him at his worst on purpose. They know controversy can help ratings, I know watching storm win, and watching a psycho implode every week IS entertaining but repetitive....LOL. idk to me the nexus is making the show in one bowlers hands, the marvel pearl is winning in multiple peoples hands. I still want both tho! Haha

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CubsFan · « **Reply #26 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:58:33 AM »

I enjoyed the last show more than the other taped broadcasts. Love watching Dom Barrett's game. As Randy said early in the broadcast, lotta power, very smooth. Also nice to see P.A. for the first time in a while and Dave Wodka. I knew from a spoiler who would win, so that took most of the enjoyment out of the last match. I'll be so glad when all this taped crap is done with. I think they have 1 more (the Shark) to go.

trash heap · « **Reply #27 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:12:41 AM »

Disagree with comparing professionals to us. I know I don't have their ability.

I watch professional bowling to see the best. What I saw last Sunday was not the best at the professional level. As fans of this sport we should expect these guys to make simple spares automatically.

Used to be a challenge to keep stringing strikes in the past, it seems like now the big question is:

"Can a professional bowler covert a 10 pin after 5 strikes in a row?"

mainzer wrote on 2/13/2012 4:09 PM:

Rash and Osku cannot be missing spares regularly if they are making t.v. shows. If you remember Mika who throws the same at his spares missed a ten pin in a big spot. Barnes throws the same speed and misses numerous spares also. IMO it is funny that you are calling PBA Members out on spare shooting methods. You nor I could hold a candle to them in their ability to shot spares.

batbowler · « **Reply #28 on:** February 22, 2012, 09:47:48 AM »

They are professionals, true, but they are also human!!!! Humans make mistakes, because they aren't machines!!! Machines even break and make mistakes every once in a while!!! Say what you want about Rash, but I like him and he makes shows!!! I see post on this site all the time about guys complaining in leagues and these guys are bowling for thousands of dollars not for hundreds for a whole season!!! Just my $.02, Bruce

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Gene J Kanak · « **Reply #29 on:** February 22, 2012, 10:14:54 AM »

I, too, have been struck by the number of routine spares being missed on TV these past few years, burt I think there are a lot of issues at play here. I think the shorter formats of many of these tournaments now places a higher premium on having to get lined up, stay lined up, and score big. In most tournaments, gone are the days of being able to stay clean and grind out a 190-210 a few times because the guys getting through are averaging 230-240 plus in some cases. I think that this puts pressure on the players to focus more on what they need to do to get lined up and stay lined up on whatever pattern they're bowling on. As such, I would guess less time is being spent practicing the routine things like spares. I think that pressure is even worse on TV because what do you always hear first-timers say..."I can't believe how quickly it goes." The guys out there know that, so they aren't thinking about how to make that 10-pin three times in a row to start a match. They're thinking, what do I need to do to get striking before my opponent runs away and hides. Just my thoughts.

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stopncrank · « **Reply #30 on:** February 22, 2012, 10:28:37 AM »

Make excuses all you want to, but how many 10 pins have you seen Mark Roth, Walter Ray, Brian Voss, Duke miss over the years? How can we compare this new crop of bowlers with the older guys if this part of the game is continually neglected, or just brushed aside?

Yes they are human, but they are the best of the best for a reason. Spare shooting is still a part of the game, last time I checked.

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