Author Topic: Rash (Read 11086 times)

mainzer · « **on:** February 12, 2012, 05:17:43 AM »

Can't wait to see Rash go Ape shit today

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trash heap · « **Reply #31 on:** February 22, 2012, 12:46:12 PM »

Exactly.

stopncrank wrote on 2/22/2012 11:28 AM:
Yes they are human, but they are the best of the best for a reason. Spare shooting is still a part of the game, last time I checked.

mainzer · « **Reply #32 on:** February 22, 2012, 12:57:10 PM »

Trash heap,YOU and I know we don't have their ability but Others Like Sunshine think they do LOL

Look guys Mark Roth Missed ten pins so did Earl Anthony and WRW, It happens I am sure somewhere in their careers they missed a Spare to miss a t.v. show, win a match etc. I will give you the Rash is missing way to many spares on t.v.But the fact remains during the week he IS making them because if he didn't he wouldn't be on t.v. someone else would beat him and make the show.

trash heap wrote on 2/22/2012 10:12 AM:
Disagree with comparing professionals to us. I know I don't have their ability.

I watch professional bowling to see the best. What I saw last Sunday was not the best at the professional level. As fans of this sport we should expect these guys to make simple spares automatically.

Used to be a challenge to keep stringing strikes in the past, it seems like now the big question is:

"Can a professional bowler covert a 10 pin after 5 strikes in a row?"

mainzer wrote on 2/13/2012 4:09 PM:

Rash and Osku cannot be missing spares regularly if they are making t.v. shows. If you remember Mika who throws the same at his spares missed a ten pin in a big spot. Barnes throws the same speed and misses numerous spares also. IMO it is funny that you are calling PBA Members out on spare shooting methods. You nor I could hold a candle to them in their ability to shot spares.

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stopncrank · « **Reply #33 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:35:01 PM »

There's a thread on PBA.com where Johnny Petraglia basically said one reason for the horrible spare shooting is that guys simply dont take their time nowdays.

He said during his day he took more time on his spare than he did his strike shots. Also said that guys expect to strike more nowdays than back then, and they blow up when they dont and it snowballs into a miss for them.

Might be something to his theory, especially coming from a guy who mad a living out there....

Still taking your lunch money one strike at a time....

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tywithay · « **Reply #34 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:39:48 PM »

Mika missed a ten pin on live TV to win a tournament....is he a choke artist too?

I agree Rash has some attitude issues and lets bad shots seem to get in his head. But, every week when I turn on the TV....his ugly toothless mug is right there in my face, so something has to be said for that.

This is also coming from a guy that has bowled with Sean for years here in Wichita and really can't stand the guy.

« **Reply #35 on:** February 22, 2012, 01:47:59 PM »

I will only say that every so often these guys are going to miss a spare that they ordinarily wouldn't. They are not bowling on our house shots, and the more difficult patterns can get unpredictable.

TV is extra pressure. The smaller purses also create more pressure because the same crop of guys are now competing for less dollars. These bowlers have bills to pay, and with less money to go around there is more pressure to win. If you miss a 10 pin in the 10th frame (on the THS) it might cost your team the game, whereas if a pro misses one at the wrong time it can cost him thousands. I dare any of you to keep a free armswing with thousands on the line.

I am not defending any one bowler in particular, but the group as a whole. These guys are better than many of us on the site are giving them credit for.

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Edited by notclay on 2/22/2012 at 2:50 PM

Nails · « **Reply #36 on:** February 22, 2012, 02:05:39 PM »

That's why they're supposed to be professionals. The average fudge knuckler at the local lanes might get wound up when his "perfect" shot didn't carry and he whiffs the spare because he's pissed. Even if a pro is a little annoyed at his bad carry, it's his job to brush it off and make it. I don't see spare shooting as any less important in today's scoring environment. Even though you might throw a 5 bagger to make up from it, chances are the guy you're bowling against has the same thing. So instead of being down 11 because of not carrying, now you're down 21 because you were careless. While I agree that their spare shooting has to be better outside of the telecast, in my book, it's totally inexcusable that so many guys flat out miss way too many spares by a bunch. When Rash (only using him because he's had so many recent high profile blunders) dumps a few in the gutter 5 feet in front of the 10 or flat out misses the 3-6-10 without hitting a pin, it IS embarrassing to me. It used to be weeks between a pro missing an easy spare, now you probably get more than one per show.

Telling it like it is.

« **Reply #37 on:** February 22, 2012, 02:09:46 PM »

What were the pros of yesteryear bowling on? House shots, or their rough equivalent. I agree that these guys SHOULD be better, but under all the circumstances I am not too surprised when a spare is whiffed...

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trash heap · « **Reply #38 on:** February 22, 2012, 02:29:27 PM »

It seems that you are stating that today's professional bowlers can't throw a ball straight?

notclay wrote on 2/22/2012 3:09 PM:

What were the pros of yesteryear bowling on? House shots, or their rough equivalent. I agree that these guys SHOULD be better, but under all the circumstances I am not too surprised when a spare is whiffed...

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« **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2012, 02:47:16 PM »

No, I am not saying that. Not every spare is a single pin spare. You guys just seem to want to rag on every pro bowler who misses a spare. They are human, just like you, and will occasionally miss a spare just like you. That's what I am saying.

And I am saying that comparing your spare percentage on a THS is not the same as shooting spares on more difficult conditions. Have you ever missed a few boards right of target for the 10 pin (THS) and had the ball still grab the 2 board and hang on to convert the shot? Be honest. The PBA conditions rarely allow for that, whether you be Rash, Mika, or anyone else.

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mainzer · « **Reply #40 on:** February 22, 2012, 11:56:45 PM »

And yet Doctors, teachers, Nurses, Scientists, Engineers, Carpenters, and every other profession makes mistakes.

I think Part of the issue is way back in the day when Mark Roth and Earl were big you could throw the same ball and use the same release and pick the spare up...almost any spare, now 3-6-10 do you hook it or go straight??

I think the new fangles hook monsters have changed how you attack spares, even if you use a plastic ball and go straight some of theses guys, Rash, Osku, Belmo can hook a plastic ball off, so now you gotta kill it and that imo is where the misses come from. You gotta change alot from the first shot to the second. In the old days not as much needed to be changed

Nails wrote on 2/22/2012 3:05 PM:
That's why they're supposed to be professionals. The average fudge knuckler at the local lanes might get wound up when his "perfect" shot didn't carry and he whiffs the spare because he's pissed. Even if a pro is a little annoyed at his bad carry, it's his job to brush it off and make it. I don't see spare shooting as any less important in today's scoring environment. Even though you might throw a 5 bagger to make up from it, chances are the guy you're bowling against has the same thing. So instead of being down 11 because of not carrying, now you're down 21 because you were careless. While I agree that their spare shooting has to be better outside of the telecast, in my book, it's totally inexcusable that so many guys flat out miss way too many spares by a bunch. When Rash (only using him because he's had so many recent high profile blunders) dumps a few in the gutter 5 feet in front of the 10 or flat out misses the 3-6-10 without hitting a pin, it IS embarrassing to me. It used to be weeks between a pro missing an easy spare, now you probably get more than one per show.

Telling it like it is.

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Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2012, 07:40:08 PM »

The point is, you didn't see spares missed like this until somebody got the brilliant idea that one should throw 30 mph at a single pin. Sorry, but if you are adding 10 mph or more to your delivery, you are altering said delivery and introducing variables to your timing as well as muscling the ball. What happens to a swing when you add muscle? All together, kids.......inconsistency or the inability to repeat shots. It's that simple. You don't have to add a single iota of speed to kill a hook and throw a straight ball. You don't have to change a thing in your normal delivery to throw a plastic ball dead straight at single pin spare. Those that do open the door to missing spares that don't have to be missed.

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mainzer · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2012, 09:48:15 PM »

Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 2/23/2012 8:40 PM:The point is, you didn't see spares missed like this until somebody got the brilliant idea that one should throw 30 mph at a single pin. Sorry, but if you are adding 10 mph or more to your delivery, you are altering said delivery and introducing variables to your timing as well as muscling the ball. What happens to a swing when you add muscle? All together, kids.......inconsistency or the inability to repeat shots. It's that simple. You don't have to add a single iota of speed to kill a hook and throw a straight ball. You don't have to change a thing in your normal delivery to throw a plastic ball dead straight at single pin spare. Those that do open the door to missing spares that don't have to be missed.

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

Cause you wouldn't miss spares when the money and pressure was put on your shoulders?

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Nails · « **Reply #43 on:** February 24, 2012, 09:13:40 AM »

This isn't about us, this is about the pros missing spares (badly). Just like we don't expect top relievers in baseball to walk an average batter on 4 pitches, hockey goalies to allow easy goals, NBA players to miss foul shots with the game on the line... Everyone has a brain fart and screws up once in a while, but the PBA guys have been missing spares at an alarming rate the past few seasons.

Telling it like it is.

Sunshine n Lollipops · « **Reply #44 on:** February 24, 2012, 04:28:42 PM »

I don't miss spares when matches are on the line. That's why I have been anchor on every team I have ever bowled on. Not professional bowling to be sure, but in our world, on this site, that's the pressure situation most of us have to deal with.

Sorry buddy, your argument doesn't wash. I can count on one hand the single pin spares I watched Roth, Anthony, Duke, Voss, WRW Jr, Aulby, Holman, Webb and any other Hall of Famer miss in thirty years of the PBA on ABC. Perhaps you'd like to continue to argue that adding 10 mph or more to the speed of your ball doesn't alter your mechanics, timing, and swing. Perhaps you'd like to continue to argue that you have to throw a plastic ball 10 mph faster than your normal ball. You'd be arguing in vain. It just doesn't wash. Results on t.v. speak for themselves.

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

mainzer · « **Reply #45 on:** February 24, 2012, 07:05:49 PM »

Hmmm what percentage of a tourney is broadcast? Maybe 5% at most? So 95%baby of the
time Rash and Osku are making spares. I will take a 95% conversion rate on my spare
shooting. I haven't seen WRW in any finals yet haven't seen Duke yet either.

Spares shooting is more difficult now, Roth and Anthony moved maybe five boards to
convert a seven or ten pin. How many boards does Rash have to move? Twenty? Change
the release change balls. Those guys never had to deal with that. Times have changed
hate to tell you that.

I grant you the number Rash has missed at critical times in inexcusable I cannot argue
that. Merely stating facts to contradict your points for the sake of conversation.

Sunshine n Lollipops wrote on 2/24/2012 5:28 PM:
I don't miss spares when matches are on the line. That's why I have been anchor on every team I have ever bowled on. Not professional bowling to be sure, but in our world, on this site, that's the pressure situation most of us have to deal with.

Sorry buddy, your argument doesn't wash. I can count on one hand the single pin spares I watched Roth, Anthony, Duke, Voss, WRW Jr, Aulby, Holman, Webb and any other Hall of Famer miss in thirty years of the PBA on ABC. Perhaps you'd like to continue to argue that adding 10 mph or more to the speed of your ball doesn't alter your mechanics, timing, and swing. Perhaps you'd like to continue to argue that you have to throw a plastic ball 10 mph faster than your normal ball. You'd be arguing in vain. It just doesn't wash. Results on t.v. speak for themselves.

Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.

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