Post by: mainzer on February 12, 2012, 05:17:43 AM
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Post by: mainzer on February 12, 2012, 04:39:34 PM
Maybe one more season of PBA left before it is all gone.
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Post by: On Fire on February 12, 2012, 05:00:57 PM
Post by: sevenpin63 on February 12, 2012, 05:28:29 PM
Well at least we can guarantee that next week we can see another Rash implosion.
Good bowler but a weak mind, and questionable attitude.
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 12, 2012, 06:08:56 PM
It's called time marching on.
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Post by: JBracer2 on February 12, 2012, 06:15:46 PM
That is what happens when you bowl so many tournaments at the same center. Certain guys matchup at a center no matter what pattern is out.
Post by: Spider Man on February 12, 2012, 06:23:20 PM
I did see him get mad at his shoe for squeaking.
Edited by Spider Man on 2/12/2012 at 7:23 PM
Post by: Spider Man on February 12, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
+1. also seems Stone matches up well too. I was expecting Thorn & Randy to do a voice over.
Post by: charlest on February 12, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
This is what happens when it's 10 games to qualify for TV.
Bring back boring but good bowling.
Don Carter won 2 tournaments where it was close to 100 games in one week, 7 days to qualify!!
Does skill count for nothing any more?
Does every winner rely of 100 million revs and 30 mph ball speed for 3 games now??
What a load of BS!!!
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Edited by charlest on 2/12/2012 at 9:15 PM
Post by: Rrichardson on February 12, 2012, 08:30:10 PM
Well said!!!
Post by: Pat Patterson on February 12, 2012, 08:42:06 PM
Dind't he say something to one of the bar staff after frame 1 of the championship game?
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 13, 2012, 05:48:03 AM
Yeah, he did but I don't know if he was mad or joking with them. Man does have his demons. One of the biggest ones is him feeling he needs to throw 30 miles per hour at a ten pin. Why? Osku does/did the same thing and it cost them both dearly as they flagged the pin in crucial situations.
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 13, 2012, 06:54:34 AM
Rash's biggest issue on tv is his ball matchup once the lanes transition. He has been on 5 shows (?) so far and not much to show for it. The guy is so bent on proving that one ball is going to work playing in towards 5th arrow. How many flat 10s does he need to see before he tells himself it is time to change? When you have a 500 rev rate and your ball hits like a turd, stop being stubborn and change. That match against Belmo was over in the 4th frame. I think by the look on Rash's face he pretty much knew it too.
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Post by: mainzer on February 13, 2012, 08:32:24 AM
In the 10 pin thing I must defend Rash and Osku, I rifle it at my spares single and simple two pin conversions in particular. I hear it all the time when I miss one "why don't you slow down?" "why throw that hard?" "Throw it the same speed as the first shot." Well I gotta say it is very unnatural for me to slow my speed on spares down, the speed comes from my timing, I am not forcing it down their at 30 mph it happens through my swing. trying to slow it down creates immense issues in accuracy and timing and I end up missing more spares going slower than I do when I just let it fly.
So in that I know why they throw that hard, and I understand the method in it.
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 13, 2012, 11:57:58 AM
Why in the world your spare shot be slower or faster than your regular shot? You're obviously doing extra things to your spare shot if people are telling you to throw it the same speed as your first shot. No defense for throwing it as hard as they do....especially watching them miss it regularly.
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Post by: On Fire on February 13, 2012, 12:02:25 PM
Yeah, I saw that too. At first I though he was going to accuse the shoes for squeezing a water bottle. But everyone was having issues with the approach right by the foul line.
Post by: mainzer on February 13, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
I throw it faster because that is how I am comfortable throwing at my spares, I throw harder yes, alot less knee bend and I walk a touch faster and straight at the pin I am throwing at. that is really the only different thing I do with my spares. I have tried to slow down numerous times and everything gets screwed up so. My usual first ball speed is around 18 and I can go slower and faster consistently as needed depending on lane conditions. Spare shot is around 24-25 MPH. Say what you will...this works for me.
Rash and Osku cannot be missing spares regularly if they are making t.v. shows. If you remember Mika who throws the same at his spares missed a ten pin in a big spot. Barnes throws the same speed and misses numerous spares also. IMO it is funny that you are calling PBA Members out on spare shooting methods. You nor I could hold a candle to them in their ability to shot spares.
If you watch the pros they all have their different methods of shooting spares, why should league bowlers be any different? Just wondering.
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Post by: JustRico on February 13, 2012, 04:58:46 PM
I remember doing a clinic/exhibition with Johnny Petraglia and someone asked him about shooting spares....his response was not on technique but preparation. He said he generally has taken more time over his career shooting spares than his first ball. Most of today's bowlers are so rushed or fried they left something they take no time at all and end up missing the spare.
Also it has been noted that Sean's tempo tends to get faster on the show, which has been previlant in some of his first balls shots, being faster or going brooklyn from being pulled...this will translate into spare shooting as well.
It is amazing how many spare are missed, at the pro level than ever before. Go watch a tourney...it is truly amazing from the days when Mark Roth would go weeks, not blocks without an open frame...not just a missed spare but an open frame.
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Post by: Mbosco on February 14, 2012, 01:38:43 AM
I wonder if Brunswick is proud of how much Rash gets them on tv, or ashamed of the way he performs with their equipment once he makes it. My money's on proud...mostly.
Post by: Metal_rules on February 14, 2012, 10:12:05 AM
I also dislike seeing the same bowlers over and over again. But in there defense they are beating the others to make it to the show, so props to them for bowling well enough to get to the show. i personally like the old pba format - 5 man stepladder finals. bring that back please!
Post by: RayRay310 on February 14, 2012, 11:08:23 AM
Post by: jensm on February 14, 2012, 11:37:22 AM
Belmo posted his shots so well in that final game. And how well he figured out the lanes transition in that game by changing to a more worn ball, move left and add a little loft.
I read somewhere that the PBA went from stepladder to lowest game elimination because they found that the stepladder gave the lower seeds the upper hand in keeping up with all the transitions in the oil patterns.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on February 16, 2012, 11:25:20 AM
maizer is right on what he said. Even pros get nervous. There is money and a title on the line. Mika is one of if not the best spare shooter on tour. It happens. You cannot miss single spare pins in qualifying much less match play and expect to make a show.
Btw wth was the deal in the final match with Belmonte when Rash went back behind the stands after his first shot? What the hell was that all about?
Post by: billdozer on February 21, 2012, 10:33:58 AM
what do you guys think about the most recent show?
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Post by: CubsFan on February 21, 2012, 10:58:33 AM
Post by: trash heap on February 22, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
Disagree with comparing professionals to us. I know I don't have their ability.
I watch professional bowling to see the best. What I saw last Sunday was not the best at the professional level. As fans of this sport we should expect these guys to make simple spares automatically.
Used to be a challenge to keep stringing strikes in the past, it seems like now the big question is:
"Can a professional bowler covert a 10 pin after 5 strikes in a row?"
Post by: batbowler on February 22, 2012, 09:47:48 AM
They are professionals, true, but they are also human!!!! Humans make mistakes, because they aren't machines!!! Machines even break and make mistakes every once in a while!!! Say what you want about Rash, but I like him and he makes shows!!! I see post on this site all the time about guys complaining in leagues and these guys are bowling for thousands of dollars not for hundreds for a whole season!!! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on February 22, 2012, 10:14:54 AM
I, too, have been struck by the number of routine spares being missed on TV these past few years, burt I think there are a lot of issues at play here. I think the shorter formats of many of these tournaments now places a higher premium on having to get lined up, stay lined up, and score big. In most tournaments, gone are the days of being able to stay clean and grind out a 190-210 a few times because the guys getting through are averaging 230-240 plus in some cases. I think that this puts pressure on the players to focus more on what they need to do to get lined up and stay lined up on whatever pattern they're bowling on. As such, I would guess less time is being spent practicing the routine things like spares. I think that pressure is even worse on TV because what do you always hear first-timers say..."I can't believe how quickly it goes." The guys out there know that, so they aren't thinking about how to make that 10-pin three times in a row to start a match. They're thinking, what do I need to do to get striking before my opponent runs away and hides. Just my thoughts.
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Post by: stopncrank on February 22, 2012, 10:28:37 AM
Make excuses all you want to, but how many 10 pins have you seen Mark Roth, Walter Ray, Brian Voss, Duke miss over the years? How can we compare this new crop of bowlers with the older guys if this part of the game is continually neglected, or just brushed aside?
Yes they are human, but they are the best of the best for a reason. Spare shooting is still a part of the game, last time I checked.
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Post by: trash heap on February 22, 2012, 12:46:12 PM
Exactly.
Post by: mainzer on February 22, 2012, 12:57:10 PM
Trash heap,YOU and I know we don't have their ability but Others Like Sunshine think they do LOL
Look guys Mark Roth Missed ten pins so did Earl Anthony and WRW, It happens I am sure somewhere in their careers they missed a Spare to miss a t.v. show, win a match etc. I will give you the Rash is missing way to many spares on t.v.But the fact remains during the week he IS making them because if he didn't he wouldn't be on t.v. someone else would beat him and make the show.
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Post by: stopncrank on February 22, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
There's a thread on PBA.com where Johnny Petraglia basically said one reason for the horrible spare shooting is that guys simply dont take their time nowdays.
He said during his day he took more time on his spare than he did his strike shots. Also said that guys expect to strike more nowdays than back then, and they blow up when they dont and it snowballs into a miss for them.
Might be something to his theory, especially coming from a guy who mad a living out there....
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Post by: tywithay on February 22, 2012, 01:39:48 PM
Mika missed a ten pin on live TV to win a tournament....is he a choke artist too?
I agree Rash has some attitude issues and lets bad shots seem to get in his head. But, every week when I turn on the TV....his ugly toothless mug is right there in my face, so something has to be said for that.
This is also coming from a guy that has bowled with Sean for years here in Wichita and really can't stand the guy.
Post by: on February 22, 2012, 01:47:59 PM
I will only say that every so often these guys are going to miss a spare that they ordinarily wouldn't. They are not bowling on our house shots, and the more difficult patterns can get unpredictable.
TV is extra pressure. The smaller purses also create more pressure because the same crop of guys are now competing for less dollars. These bowlers have bills to pay, and with less money to go around there is more pressure to win. If you miss a 10 pin in the 10th frame (on the THS) it might cost your team the game, whereas if a pro misses one at the wrong time it can cost him thousands. I dare any of you to keep a free armswing with thousands on the line.
I am not defending any one bowler in particular, but the group as a whole. These guys are better than many of us on the site are giving them credit for.
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Post by: Nails on February 22, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
That's why they're supposed to be professionals. The average fudge knuckler at the local lanes might get wound up when his "perfect" shot didn't carry and he whiffs the spare because he's pissed. Even if a pro is a little annoyed at his bad carry, it's his job to brush it off and make it. I don't see spare shooting as any less important in today's scoring environment. Even though you might throw a 5 bagger to make up from it, chances are the guy you're bowling against has the same thing. So instead of being down 11 because of not carrying, now you're down 21 because you were careless. While I agree that their spare shooting has to be better outside of the telecast, in my book, it's totally inexcusable that so many guys flat out miss way too many spares by a bunch. When Rash (only using him because he's had so many recent high profile blunders) dumps a few in the gutter 5 feet in front of the 10 or flat out misses the 3-6-10 without hitting a pin, it IS embarrassing to me. It used to be weeks between a pro missing an easy spare, now you probably get more than one per show.
Telling it like it is.
Post by: on February 22, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
What were the pros of yesteryear bowling on? House shots, or their rough equivalent. I agree that these guys SHOULD be better, but under all the circumstances I am not too surprised when a spare is whiffed...
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Post by: trash heap on February 22, 2012, 02:29:27 PM
It seems that you are stating that today's professional bowlers can't throw a ball straight?
Post by: on February 22, 2012, 02:47:16 PM
No, I am not saying that. Not every spare is a single pin spare. You guys just seem to want to rag on every pro bowler who misses a spare. They are human, just like you, and will occasionally miss a spare just like you. That's what I am saying.
And I am saying that comparing your spare percentage on a THS is not the same as shooting spares on more difficult conditions. Have you ever missed a few boards right of target for the 10 pin (THS) and had the ball still grab the 2 board and hang on to convert the shot? Be honest. The PBA conditions rarely allow for that, whether you be Rash, Mika, or anyone else.
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Post by: mainzer on February 22, 2012, 11:56:45 PM
And yet Doctors, teachers, Nurses, Scientists, Engineers, Carpenters, and every other profession makes mistakes.
I think Part of the issue is way back in the day when Mark Roth and Earl were big you could throw the same ball and use the same release and pick the spare up...almost any spare, now 3-6-10 do you hook it or go straight??
I think the new fangles hook monsters have changed how you attack spares, even if you use a plastic ball and go straight some of theses guys, Rash, Osku, Belmo can hook a plastic ball off, so now you gotta kill it and that imo is where the misses come from. You gotta change alot from the first shot to the second. In the old days not as much needed to be changed
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 23, 2012, 07:40:08 PM
The point is, you didn't see spares missed like this until somebody got the brilliant idea that one should throw 30 mph at a single pin. Sorry, but if you are adding 10 mph or more to your delivery, you are altering said delivery and introducing variables to your timing as well as muscling the ball. What happens to a swing when you add muscle? All together, kids.......inconsistency or the inability to repeat shots. It's that simple. You don't have to add a single iota of speed to kill a hook and throw a straight ball. You don't have to change a thing in your normal delivery to throw a plastic ball dead straight at single pin spare. Those that do open the door to missing spares that don't have to be missed.
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Post by: mainzer on February 23, 2012, 09:48:15 PM
Cause you wouldn't miss spares when the money and pressure was put on your shoulders?
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Post by: Nails on February 24, 2012, 09:13:40 AM
This isn't about us, this is about the pros missing spares (badly). Just like we don't expect top relievers in baseball to walk an average batter on 4 pitches, hockey goalies to allow easy goals, NBA players to miss foul shots with the game on the line... Everyone has a brain fart and screws up once in a while, but the PBA guys have been missing spares at an alarming rate the past few seasons.
Telling it like it is.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 24, 2012, 04:28:42 PM
I don't miss spares when matches are on the line. That's why I have been anchor on every team I have ever bowled on. Not professional bowling to be sure, but in our world, on this site, that's the pressure situation most of us have to deal with.
Sorry buddy, your argument doesn't wash. I can count on one hand the single pin spares I watched Roth, Anthony, Duke, Voss, WRW Jr, Aulby, Holman, Webb and any other Hall of Famer miss in thirty years of the PBA on ABC. Perhaps you'd like to continue to argue that adding 10 mph or more to the speed of your ball doesn't alter your mechanics, timing, and swing. Perhaps you'd like to continue to argue that you have to throw a plastic ball 10 mph faster than your normal ball. You'd be arguing in vain. It just doesn't wash. Results on t.v. speak for themselves.
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Post by: mainzer on February 24, 2012, 07:05:49 PM
time Rash and Osku are making spares. I will take a 95% conversion rate on my spare
shooting. I haven't seen WRW in any finals yet haven't seen Duke yet either.
Spares shooting is more difficult now, Roth and Anthony moved maybe five boards to
convert a seven or ten pin. How many boards does Rash have to move? Twenty? Change
the release change balls. Those guys never had to deal with that. Times have changed
hate to tell you that.
I grant you the number Rash has missed at critical times in inexcusable I cannot argue
that. Merely stating facts to contradict your points for the sake of conversation.
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Post by: DP3 on February 24, 2012, 09:07:33 PM
huge difference between
a) choking
b) missing a spare
c) missing a spare for 50k and your livelyhood
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 24, 2012, 09:29:21 PM
Again, I have no idea where you're coming from on this. Who cares about 95% of the tournament we don't see? By your own admission, the pressure isn't there because the lights, camera, and the title aren't on the line. 5 board moves to make a 10 pin? How many did the move to make a seven? What does it matter how many boards they move? A straight ball is a straight ball. Keep your mechanics the same, keep the muscle out of the swing, don't speed up the shot, break the wrist back or take the ring finger out of the ball or throw plastic and even a current player like Rash, Palermo, Belmonte can make a ten pin when it counts. Fundamentals are fundamentals no matter what era, especially when trying not to hook the ball.
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Post by: mainzer on February 24, 2012, 11:57:20 PM
Well Sunshine the other 95% of the tournement they are making spares the same way they are trying to make them on t.v.that is where I am coming from. They are making them, more than you or I could but you think you know more than they do? Gimmie a break dude.
You are basing all of what you see on three games bowled on t.v. every Sunday? Diddn't Osku win a Major this season? He Rips it at spares. Have you considered that the mechanics in their swings allow them to throw that hard with out muscling it? I know mine does if I free my swing up and break my wrist I can throw it quite a bit harder without forcing it. Times have changed.
I know this will not sway you are to old and set in your ways to understand. Part of the reason the sport is down the crapper is because guys like you like to tell younger guys how stupid their method of the game is and how "back in my day I used a yellow dot or blah blah."
I respect the Sport and respect guys that have bowled before me but I also understand that the sport is NOT what it was 20 years ago it has changed like everything does. I mean no offence in my words just stating my opinion and feelings as I see them.
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Post by: Mbosco on February 25, 2012, 02:25:21 AM
I don't think technique is why the quality of spare shooting is going down on the telecasts. I think it's the short formats. But either way, it's definitely going down, and if you don't believe it let me pose some questions. Remember when PA missed that nine pin? Or how about when Belmo missed the 10? Or Rash missed the 10? Or Wodka whiffed the rail completely? Or Osku converted the rail from the left side? Twice in one match? That's a lot of poor spare shots in a short amount of time to talk about. Even 5-6 years ago it wasn't NEARLY like this, so I don't think it's the generation, equipment, or style. I think it's the format of the WSOB, where you have a crap shoot to see who's going to do really really well for just a couple games, and then you make the cut for tv, that's doing it.
My favorite to rag on, though, is the Major you mentioned that Osku never should have won. Gets up in the tenth of the first match and throws such a poor shot at the ten pin that the breeze practically did as much work on the pin as the ball did. Not the money shot you want under pressure, that's for sure.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 25, 2012, 07:39:42 AM
"I know mine does if I free up my swing". There you have it. Says everything I had guessed about your game and now you confirmed it. You don't want to listen to anybody and you don't want to believe what you see with your own eyes.
"I'm what's wrong with bowling"? I can rev it up when I need to, I can tone it down when I need to. I can hook it twenty boards and I can throw it dead straight. I can even back the ball up. I can change my axis tilt at will. I do some coaching at the high school level. What do you do? Here's what you do.....you roll into your local house with your eight ball totes. Instead of trying to figure out what the pattern on the lanes are, you just stand on twenty and start firing balls at a break point at the five board until you find a ball that will make the turn and get to the pocket. You'll spend so much time worrying if you have the right ball in your hand you won't even notice when the lanes break down. You'll just shell up or shell down and curse the fact that can't carry the corner pins. When you miss the ten pin due to your "fail safe" method of changing your delivery, you'll blame the lane man for putting down a shot that "nobody" can score on. "Man, if I hadn't a left that one ball out of my "arsenal" at home, I'd have won today."
Yeah, you're the future of bowling and everything that is going to "save" the sport, all right. I take the money out of the pocket of guys like you in league, tourney's, and pot games.
Your ego won't even let you admit that the phenomenon of shooting straight at single pins only began about twenty years ago. What was the reason for doing that? Oh, that's right, it was to take lane conditions out of the equation when converting those spares. A ball that is rolling with 0 axis tilt and 0 axis of rotation will go straight no matter how "many boards it is crossing", thereby negating your modern conditions argument. Physics are physics and it's the younger bowlers ignorance of them that is turning the modern game into a joke.
So summing it up, you're wrong. History shows you're wrong, physics shows you're wrong, and current results shows you're wrong.
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Post by: completebowler on February 27, 2012, 03:48:25 AM
I think the reason for poor spare shooting is the increased strike percentage we see in todays game. Most bowlers see much higher pocket carry % these days and so the skill of spare shooting has declined. When they miss, it is quite often a 6-7 count from the monster angles and drive the equipment produces.
When some of us older guys came up it wasn't uncommon to bowl a game where you left 5-6 ten pins in a row. I drilled a Taboo spare recently and even it carries better than the Gold Angle I began with.
I think what we see from Rash/Belmo and other young PBA stars is just that. Also, I think it contributes to their lack of titles. Old school bowlers know how to manipulate roll better. They still think they can just step left and hit it harder to change their carry woes.....lol. Or change balls.
Also I think one of the dumbest comments on here is about how much Rash has to move to shoot a 10 pin. His strike line is usually 3-4-5 arrow...center of the lane. When guys of the older generation played it was a much bigger move to shoot across the lane then it is for him.
And I agree with SNL about the speed thing. There is no need to throw the ball that hard at single pin spares except to act cool. Anything that is more than 2-3 MPH higher than your "natural speed" is muscled at the bottom of the swing and increases errors. It isn't "free and loose" if you are accelerating through the downswing.
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Post by: makpa on February 27, 2012, 05:31:55 AM
There is several ways to make spares. I dont think any of them is better than the other.
Throwing straight with 30 mph works for one (Rash, Osku etc.) they might miss a spare once a while
Look at Duke he use his strikeball at any spare but dont increase speed but i just saw him miss a 10 pin on xtraframe.
Some will use a plastic ball and normal release (PDW, Mika, Belmonte etc.) but i think most of us saw Mika miss that 10 pin in last years US open.
In my opinion there is no right way to do it.
I my self carry a 210 average on sport and on the EBT tour which i go to several times a year.
I only carry 4-6 balls depending on driving or flying and none of them is a plastic ball. I adapted my game to this and shoot straight and hard on almost any spare for me this is the most comfort.
Edited by makpa on 27-02-2012 at 6:33 AM
Post by: mainzer on February 27, 2012, 07:10:27 AM
Pete Weber missed a spare throwing it about 5 mph with a plastic ball on Sunday.
Barnes is supposed to have the best game on tour he has missed spares
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Post by: completebowler on February 27, 2012, 12:27:46 PM
You guys are missing the point about spare shooting by citing your examples. Everyone is going to miss from time to time. Even the pro's.
The point is that ramping up to throw it harder opens the door to more misses. Especially in crunch time. When that happens, especially on national television, it opens the door for people to question your approach at said spare.
I can't throw a baseball like Justin Verlander. But having some knowledge of the game, I can question when he gets in the occasional funk and tries over-throwing the ball. If you are a fan of his and watch him, it is really the only time he is hitable. His mechanics get rushed, his MPH goes up, and his fastball flattens out.
We have fans and commentators analyizing athletes on a daily basis in every sport...it is only here that I see idiots talk about how much more talented these guys are and that we have no business questioning what they are doing out there.
And, at the end of the day, I have more chance of beating any one of the touring pro's then I do in a MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL playing field. So why shouldn't I be able to comment on what a guy does or doesn't do on a PBA telecast?
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on February 27, 2012, 05:07:37 PM
You beat me to it, complete. You're absolutely correct, it's not about whether people will miss spares or not, they will. It's all about not doing something to increase the chances you'll miss them.
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