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BrianCRX90

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Resin reactives are overated.
« on: March 27, 2010, 08:51:39 AM »
These scores are crazy high. I can't believe the averages are still this high at match play. Does make you wonder what the point of carrying 6 balls to a tournament. Makes you wonder why Patrick Allen didn't use a plastic ball last week. Now makes you wonder if everyone should use plastic. I realize it's a "modified pattern" but still this is crazy. Of course high tech resins have way more advantages but who didn't think the scores would be low for this tournament?
This proves how this elite field in the PBA is way ahead of it's time to the bowlers back in the 70's using plastic balls.
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2010, 05:30:27 PM »
At the "Pro" level, lane conditions have always been the dominant factor in determining scoring. Hi-tech balls provide you with many more options for succeeding on various lane conditions, and the possibility of quickly altering a lane condition - but the lane conditions remain the biggest factor.

Guys were averaging over 230 on walled up wood lanes back in the 1960''s using pancake cored hard rubber balls. None of them were hi-rev high speed players. The ball cores and surfaces had some effect but the lanes & back-ends prevalent in that era did not favor speed. It''s possible that a two-hander of the Belmonte caliber might have pulled it off - but there were none then so we''ll never know.

Regardless of the lanes or balls - given enough games to minimize the impact of flukes & bad breaks better bowlers will always dominate.

One thing is certain - it will be harder to make the specious argument that "Resin made Walter Ray Williams" now that he''s averaged 240 during the plastic ball tournament.

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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2010, 06:37:48 PM »
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I realize it's a "modified pattern" but still this is crazy.


This is the only sentence in the post that is really useful.  Why didn't PA use plastic last week when he struggled?  Because it simply wouldn't have given him the hook that resin did.  He could point it off the corner but that's pretty much all he could do because of the oil volumes.

Why does resin hit harder than plastic?  Because of the core, not because of the coverstock.  If you can get the same kinds of angles with plastic, you're going to get high scores.

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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2010, 06:59:07 PM »
The oil man will always rule. Think about it.
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2010, 07:06:27 PM »
PA would have averaged less and still lost on an actual PBA pattern throwing plastic.

Trust me they can't do this week in and week out on tour with the regular oil patterns used other wise they would all throw plastic.


Heavy oil and plastic equal low scores and spares.

Little oil and plastic equals easy scores.
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 09:47:49 PM »
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calm down already....this just in, these guys are good...and with the lower volumes being used its not rocket science on how these guys are scoring...but sure, go ahead and only take plastic to a tourny with the normal shark pattern out and see how you do..
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Flip it around -- if you strip all the oil off the lane, you won't score with resin. What this week did was prove, once and for all, that's it's the walls and not the balls that are the "problem" with bowling.

I wish we would have seen plastic this week on one of the current patterns, but that's not what the PBA is trying to accomplish here. They're trying to hoodwink people into thinking this is real plastic on real PBA conditions when it's something completely different. They're too scared to leave the current patterns down (especially Shark) because they know if you did that, scores would be off 40-60 pins from what they were this week and casual fans who watch on Sunday wouldn't know the difference.

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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho

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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2010, 12:41:58 PM »
Then again, there are the guys who throw urethane week in and week out with decent success.

As has been pointed out it is about release consistency, angle, and deflection of the ball at impact. If resin doesn't do it on your conditions, you have the wrong ball in your hands.
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2010, 02:01:21 PM »
After 2 games it's pretty clear the scores weren't due to any kind of walled or easy shot. It's all about making shots and repeating them.
Watching Walter Ray throw shot after shot in the hole AND playing left of 10 AND shooting 280 using plastic should shut up some of his detractors.
First two games of the telecast have been quite informative. I think they should throw plastic every week on 4 or 5 modified patterns.
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2010, 02:55:15 PM »
Great match today - great entertainment.

So, what would you rather watch - todays match - or some pro beating another pro 197 to 157?
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RandyO

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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2010, 02:57:43 PM »
How about that final match! It was just like the 60's & 70's. No matter how many revs you throw - speed kills!! You just couldn't rely on carry with high speed back in the good 'ol days. Too many ring tens and the occasional stone 7.
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2010, 03:20:08 PM »
Man, this was great. Many different players with different styles, ALL EXECUTING PROPERLY.

 Good shots were expected to carry, AND MOST DID, while bad shote were not expected to do so. The guys with revs got away with a couple, but power will do that sometimes, that's what Mark Roth was all about back in the day.

 Now that EVERYBODY sees scores can be shot with plastic, CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK TO THEM?

 Everybody heard them say that plastics are more stable, change the shot less, and allow more consistency. Aren't these good things?
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2010, 03:24:03 PM »
Great matches , great bowling and on a side note they could have allowed any league bowler to choose any ball he or she wanted and the pros use plastic on todays pattern and the pros would have won hands down, end of story
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2010, 03:50:40 PM »
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How about that final match! It was just like the 60's & 70's. No matter how many revs you throw - speed kills!! You just couldn't rely on carry with high speed back in the good 'ol days. Too many ring tens and the occasional stone 7.


This makes no sense.  They TIED!  One throwing 16.5mph and one throwing 21.7mph and you say speed kills?  It seems to me, that speed had nothing to do with it when the final match is a TIE at 247....did I mention they tied and there was a 5+ mph difference in speed?
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2010, 04:06:59 PM »
I want to see them try plastic on a full-bore cheetah pattern, not this half volume crap.
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Re: Resin reactives are overated.
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2010, 04:11:00 PM »
Wow pros score on a walled up shot with plastic.

This changes nothing. They are pros, they are consistent. If you give them an easy shot, they will score with anything. They would not score that well on regular PBA patterns with plastic in their hands. They would average closer to 190-200.

It would lower scores.
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