Author Topic: Resin reactives are overated. (Read 6133 times)

BrianCRX90 · « **on:** March 27, 2010, 08:51:39 AM »

These scores are crazy high. I can't believe the averages are still this high at match play. Does make you wonder what the point of carrying 6 balls to a tournament. Makes you wonder why Patrick Allen didn't use a plastic ball last week. Now makes you wonder if everyone should use plastic. I realize it's a "modified pattern" but still this is crazy. Of course high tech resins have way more advantages but who didn't think the scores would be low for this tournament?
This proves how this elite field in the PBA is way ahead of it's time to the bowlers back in the 70's using plastic balls.

RandyO · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2010, 05:26:50 PM »

Belmo had 3 shots that didn't strike because of his speed. A number or WRW's shots that didn't carry were also due to throwing it a bit too hard - heck - WRW could have easily Lilly'd that one shot. I stand by my statement that it was Belmo's MPH that cost him this match. Of course - it was the very same high-speed high-rev game that got him to that match but if you read my earlier posts my references to speed killing is based on "normal" bowlers throwing on 60's & 70's conditions. Belmo is definitely not "normal" and we'll never know how he would have fared "back in the day" although I suspect that he would have done very well back in the old days - at least until his back and or hamstrings gave out. Definitely not a style that will serve you well as you get into your 40's and definitely not your "senior" years. But again - his speed cost him the championship match.

completebowler · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2010, 05:40:12 PM »

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Wow pros score on a walled up shot with plastic.

This changes nothing. They are pros, they are consistent. If you give them an easy shot, they will score with anything. They would not score that well on regular PBA patterns with plastic in their hands. They would average closer to 190-200.

It would lower scores.
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They wouldn't score like they did today on your THS with plastic. It isn't about the balls it is about the pattern.

Go take your plastic ball to league and try throwing it to the pocket on a fresh pattern. Then try it on what they were bowling on.
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2010, 06:29:31 PM »

"completebowler
Go take your plastic ball to league and try throwing it to the pocket on a fresh pattern. Then try it on what they were bowling on."

I did that one night when I couldn't find the line - shot a 201 with my spare ball. Wondered if I should give away the rest of the balls in the bag but they are too much fun to throw.

Come to that, I'm not even counting the 240 I shot with a house ball when I stated I could score better with a house ball and someone took me up on it - LOL Now if I could just recapture that moment....... I will admit to being tempted to buy that nicked and scarred POS house ball on the spot, and throw everything I brought in the river.

DP3 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2010, 07:29:12 PM »

If a pattern gives you 2-3 boards down the lane to go flush, and the balls are not changing the pattern every 15 minutes, what makes you people think a professional bowler can't hit that same spot over and over again with the same revolutions? LOL. Pretty simple formula to why scores were high if you ask me.

Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2010, 07:57:50 PM »

"DP3
If a pattern gives you 2-3 boards down the lane to go flush, and the balls are not changing the pattern every 15 minutes, what makes you people think a professional bowler can't hit that same spot over and over again with the same revolutions? LOL. Pretty simple formula to why scores were high if you ask me."

I don't disagree with you - the thing is, with all the house hacks throwing heavy oil balls on THS, you can often throw a plastic ball right through the toast - this when your mildest resin is starting to see over under hell and you are already standing 40.

rvmark · « **Reply #21 on:** March 29, 2010, 08:10:22 AM »

Great show, excellent bowling. Thought that Belmo's ball was just a tad high which when combined with the speed left him the 7. Congrats to Brian he definitely deserved the win.

Mark

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #22 on:** March 29, 2010, 08:16:45 AM »

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Flip it around -- if you strip all the oil off the lane, you won't score with resin. What this week did was prove, once and for all, that's it's the walls and not the balls that are the "problem" with bowling.

Very good, totally agree. Play a lane with (literally) no oil at all, and then you will understand why being able to play straight on purpose and being exact is a vital asset that sets apart "good" players from those who rely on the wall.
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trash heap · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2010, 10:13:06 AM »

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Does make you wonder what the point of carrying 6 balls to a tournament.

This is the point I have been making. Bowling does NOT need this High Tech Garbage that is being fed to us. This week should prove that. Watching those matches knowing that the ball was taken out of the equation made it exciting. It was about those who performed the best, not those who made the correct line or ball change.

High End equipment is only around because of the oil. So we take all of our crap with us for this possible condition and those specific scenarios. This sport could cost a lot less to a bowler.

This game was made very complicated. In its simple form, I see it at its best.

I think the PBA needs to expand this type of tournament to now twice a year.
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Tondo · « **Reply #24 on:** March 30, 2010, 02:40:02 AM »

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High End equipment is only around because of the oil

Sorry it is the other way around. Oil companies are always playing catch up with the newer more aggressive covers stocks. They are working on improving surface tension which helps the oil hold up.

Tondo · « **Reply #25 on:** March 30, 2010, 02:46:34 AM »

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Wow pros score on a walled up shot with plastic.

Not walled. I bet 5 people who post here could not average 220 on what they bowled on Sunday.
You guys have to realize the PBA put out a pattern similar in volumn to what was put out in 70's.

Dave_in_Rio_Rancho · « **Reply #26 on:** March 30, 2010, 12:55:12 PM »

Nothing is very similar to the 70s - back then the lanes were buffed polyurethane coated wood - dog gone nearly needed a microscope to see the track on a new ball. The previous two decades, the 50s & 60s the lanes were shellac coated wood.

ImakeA2srun · « **Reply #27 on:** April 02, 2010, 02:02:04 PM »

No one averaged 230 in the 60s . ur on crack lol. 190 was a good average then.

RandyO · « **Reply #28 on:** April 02, 2010, 03:56:21 PM »

Hey ImakeA2srun:

Excuse me??? High average in the San Francisco Bay area back around 1969-1971 was in the low 230''s. I believe Steve Stevens did it once, maybe twice. I believe his doubles partner Jon Eash was pretty darned close to the 230 level also. There may have been others - Mal Acosta I think, but not sure about Mal - although he did win 4 PBA titles later on. I used to keep score for that scratch league. The house was your typical Brunswick house with very "blocked" lanes. As a 15 year old kid I was carrying 195 in that house and around 160 in another house with a more normal shot.
So - I have no reason to lie to make a point and I don''t do crack.
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Tondo · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2010, 10:24:36 PM »

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Nothing is very similar to the 70s - back then the lanes were buffed polyurethane coated wood - dog gone nearly needed a microscope to see the track on a new ball

Reread my 2nd post moron. I NEVER said anything about the lane surface. Just the VOLUMNS of OIL were similar.

kidlost2000 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 05, 2010, 06:24:08 AM »

Nobody on tour was averaging that high week in week out for a season back then. There are guys today that average 250+ for a season in certain houses doesn't mean they would on tour bowling across the country on the different patterns.

I may or may not average 220 on what they bowled on for the tournament but I know they wouldn't average that on the real PBA oil patterns using plastic. Put out a long flat oil pattern and watch the scores.
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