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Title: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: Nodsleinad on February 09, 2005, 03:49:29 AM
OUCH - Perhaps he will get going later.  Hopefully he will share with us what the differance between his league shot and this shot.

77-Steve Nagy III-Ashtabula, Ohio  283  141.50

NOD

Edited on 2/9/2005 12:54 PM

Edited on 2/9/2005 12:56 PM
Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: UCFKnight300 on February 09, 2005, 11:54:25 AM
Well game 3 was higher, 188 i think.  Quite humbling i think.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: JPRLane1 on February 09, 2005, 12:03:29 PM
And pattern E too its not looking good.  My guess is its perhaps its not his ability or the pattern he is struggling with but perhaps bad approaches or some other factor.  This is just a guess due to the nature of his game whether on a house shot or not you don't carry his type of average if you can't bowl.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: UCFKnight300 on February 09, 2005, 12:07:50 PM
I've never seen the guy bowl, so i coudln't tell you the physical tools he's got, but you have to match up pretty bad on pattern E to shoot 470.  He's with Track who makes a lot of strong balls, and on that short of a pattern if you're using too much ball you will split alot.  And if he's afraid to get it too close to the ditch it's gona be hard to find area, cause that's where it is.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: Nodsleinad on February 09, 2005, 12:08:58 PM
I find it hard to believe approaches are the problem.  E pattern is more direct and you can not get left of your shot.  I can only imagine the normal hold inside and bank outside is not there that one gets use to.  (I have shot E-pattern).  Yet we will see.  If it is shoes, shame on him for not being prepared to bowl a PTQ without good shoes.


UCF NIGHT IS CORRECT .... You must stay direct and outside at Breakpoint. Inside crank it / bank it will suffer if they do not get out there... then it is over under if speed / rev control is not there.

Nod

Edited on 2/9/2005 1:07 PM
Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: sdbowler on February 09, 2005, 12:10:05 PM
Have to give credit to him for trying this though. I was able to throw on the 5 regular paterns and the TOC pattern this summer. No matter how he finishes it will still be a huge learning experience for him. Hope he can finish strong.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: JPRLane1 on February 09, 2005, 12:12:36 PM
I was just using that as an example of possible problems, I also beleive it is in his equipment track does make strong stuff and on E you need milder stuff or weak drillings.  I have seen many a regional player switch to plastic for their first ball on E.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: UCFKnight300 on February 09, 2005, 12:12:37 PM
Yea spares probobly aren't helping Joe.  Unless he's splitting that much.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: bowler257628 on February 09, 2005, 12:12:47 PM
dosent mean he dosent have one..
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: JOE FALCO on February 09, 2005, 12:13:04 PM
After 3 games he's averaging 157. Guess NERVES are getting to him. I don't think he can pull out of this mess now! Hope he finishes strong .. give him incentive for next time! MS]
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: BrunsNick on February 09, 2005, 12:41:09 PM
Yikes... hope he is relaxed now knowing he's out, and match up with something.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: Scolai on February 09, 2005, 01:21:19 PM
He's at 175 for 5 games.

Pattern E isn't that difficult.  The difficult part is overcoming the nerves of steel required to get the ball to the breakpoint at 1-2 at 36-37 feet.  Hit the break point too early and you're through the nose.  Hit it too late and you wash out.  Get the ball to 3-4 instead of 1-2 and you can count on a messy leave of the light split/washout variety.

Personally, I averaged 187.375 my first time out on E.  Gutter fear was my issue.  Got a lot of practice throwing at washouts

The pattern is demanding, but not impossible.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 09, 2005, 01:30:38 PM
Yes, E isn't terribly difficult....  probably better suited for the fluffers though (if there is such a thing) due to the shorter pattern length.  You would expect to have an idea of what you are facing, prior to getting there, so equipment shouldn't be an issue.  Sure, nerves can be an issue....but not to shoot 150's.  Definitely will be a good learning experience...  opens your eyes to just how easy house shots really are!  Wish the best... hopefully things will be picking up soon!

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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: jonah300 on February 09, 2005, 01:39:33 PM
please everybody take a second to read what i am about to write...although my english is not very good
if u consider bowling a sport u must agree with me that u play a sport ina  different variety of conditions...for example in tennis we on argentina got a player gaston gaudio and he is like the number 25 in the world but when it comes to play on slow conditions he is one of the bests in the worls..in fact he is the last roland garros champion...but when he goes to play on hard conditions he always got beatten on earlier rounds....thats why rogere federer is the best player in the worls...because he can play on every condition
well the same its a bout bowling...we have pba,fiq,house,abc...a lot of conditions...rev-o is a really great player when it comes to a house shot...but right now he can not handle pba condition...that means he is not a good player????...no...that means gaston gaudio is not  a good tennis player???? of course not...he plays really well in some kind of conditions
i bowl a lot of international tournaments against nathan bohr,tore torgesse,mika koivinuemi...and i have beat they in a lot of tournamnets...that means im a better bowler than they????...of course i am not... i just play THAT CONDITION better than they on THAT  tournament
Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: DP3 on February 09, 2005, 02:04:43 PM
Too bad though the PBA will never have a tournament on a House Shot so house bowlers can dominate.  I see your argument but it's not valid with the PBA and their conditions.  I usually practice twice a month on different PBA patterns as a part of my collegiate practice routine and Pattern E can be as tough as anything if you don't know how to play it or trust the bump on the gutter.  You still have to think and execute on Pattern E.  Just because a pro can light it up and avg 255+ doesn't mean the average house player can.  That's what separates the men from the boys.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: jonah300 on February 09, 2005, 02:12:58 PM
and who says that u are a good bowler just if u average on pba conditions...have u heard about a guy named tim mack...hes probably the most (and i mean it) talented player in the world
i bowl against him in the fiq world cup on malaysia and he was averagin 228 playing 25 in the arrows to 2 in the breakpoint (45 feet)...and because one straighty from sweden was averaging 230+ playing straight for the gutter...he moves to play straight just like the other one and start averaging 245...and have u see him bowl on sunday tv????no..he didnt even make it on trials
and i promess u that he is an idol in all asia...he can not walk in a shoping without somebody ask him for an autograph...and so...he is not a great bowler because he can not average on pba conditions???
i dont think so
Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: ten pin killler on February 09, 2005, 02:18:32 PM
Well, Rev-O is doing much better the last 5 games........averaged 202 for those 5. I'm sure that the 130+ and 140+ was nerves/getting used to the shot/atmosphere etc. I look for him to bowl great the second block. I'm sure he wished he had those first 2 games back.........Great recovery Steve! Keep it up!
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: srlunatic on February 09, 2005, 02:27:26 PM
Man......rough crowd here...

So nobody has had a bad day???

Felt a bit of nerves bowling your first big tourney???

Funny how people want to jump to conclusions about Rev being a house bowler.....not having right equipment...etc....

I have averaged 240 on PBA pattern one day....180 on a THS the next.....does this make me a great/bad bowler??

One tourney....9 games...don't really show a whole lot....other than people on here are really quick to jump on people..;-)

my 2 cents worth..;-)
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: ten pin killler on February 09, 2005, 02:31:46 PM
game 8 - 224
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: J_L_B on February 09, 2005, 02:41:12 PM
It's not the equipment he's using , Doug Wilcox is on Track's Regional Staff and he's doing just fine. Pattern E is very playable if you just stay outside 10 board and make adjustments with equipment, ball speed, etc.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: omegabowler on February 09, 2005, 02:45:54 PM
what srlunatic said.

all you arm chair bowlers had better let the rest of us know when you are shooting a PBA event. I can't wait to see all that know how on a score sheet!
man you guy would lead the rest of the field by +300.

seriously, come on!


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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: RSalas on February 09, 2005, 04:33:33 PM
quote:
all you arm chair bowlers had better let the rest of us know when you are shooting a PBA event. I can't wait to see all that know how on a score sheet!


It would be one thing if one of us house hacks were to go to a PTQ and fall flat.  It's another thing altogether to see this happen to someone who has been known to post his accomplishments while "not meaning to toot his own horn."  No disrespect to Mr. Nagy intended, but we all *had* to expect that we'd see some backlash here on the forum.
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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: omegabowler on February 09, 2005, 04:49:17 PM
All I am saying is that you can't just walk into a new environment and big the top dog. you have to cut your teeth all over again.

this applies to many things other than bowling. and I don't think anyone needs to mock him or rub in his face. maybe he thought that it was a bit more friendly here and could share some feats with people who understand.

I don't recall him answering anybody's else post of greatness with "well so what I did this yada yada..."

just maybe the jealous have more to say sitting on a couch. I would not jump on his band wagon either way. but you have to credit where credit is due and recognize the hard task it is to move to a new pond where you are not the big fish.

as I said I see this in all forms of life. ever see a company change it's focus and maybe sell some new product and drop an old one. people with 20 yrs experience with a certain widget will move to a new company instead of throwing specific knowledge on the scrap heap and start over.

that is what his doing. nothing but shooting on PBA events will prepare you for PBA events. reading lanes is no where close to the same things.

I know a bowler who has a phonon but can't make the cut( in the post urethane era) because he doesn’t read the lanes right. In the squad  before me he told me they were tight and speed sensitive. he was going with forward roll and up the boards- 2nd arrow. other lefty's were swinging across 3rd and 4th arrow out to 10 at the breakpoint with room!. he shot low 2's and they shot 230's. this guy has all the skills in the world except the humility to seek a great coach.

so to sum up. give the guy a break. wait until a couple of years of failure before you condemn him to be a house hack.



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Title: Re: REV-O-LUTIONS SO FAR IN PTQ
Post by: the pizz on February 09, 2005, 05:42:53 PM
maybe he cant play the gutter
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