Author Topic: Robert Smith (Read 2604 times)

chitown · « **on:** January 24, 2006, 04:15:15 PM »

Did anyone here ever see Robert Smith bowl before he became a pro? Where di this guy learn to throw with so many revs and such a high ball speed?

Does anyone have any vids of him throwing the ball?

RPM MAX · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:25:56 AM »

What MAX BOB does with the ball you just cant teach! You either do it naturally when you start bowling or not.

ThongPrincess · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:28:18 AM »

I didn't see him bowl, but he was in Juniors when my kids were. He bowled in So Cal. He was a top bowler. I can't remember if it was JAT or Greater LA All Stars or both, but his name was known.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:30:35 AM »

I saw him bowl whan the ABC was at Reno the first year...bowled the shift after them. What year was that 92/93? He was an amateur then. About the same style used an AMF Bone XS scored OK. Barry Asher was on his team used a Purple Buzzsaw. First Lane #1 product I ever saw I got one after. Loved that ball. Never bought another after that Purple.

Actually, in my mind Barry Asher of the two is a better bowler...JMO. Revs doesn't get you everywhere.

Robert go with the back up and beat up on these lefty fluffers!
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laufaye · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:37:22 AM »

I heard someone say he can lift a ball with just the middle and ring fingers, just like lifting weight.
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chitown · « **Reply #5 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:37:52 AM »

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What MAX BOB does with the ball you just cant teach! You either do it naturally when you start bowling or not.

No doubt his style probably can't be taught. I just like watching this guy bowl. Does he use a frisbee release? What do you guys feel allows him to rev it beyond what most high rev players can?

Edited on 1/25/2006 1:29 AM

scotts33 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:44:27 AM »

Interesting style of Robert's and fans get caught up in it but bowlers like Barry Asher with 10 tour wins and two 2nd places in the Firestone along with a HoF in St. Louis are year in year out the better bowler.

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chitown · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:46:30 AM »

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Interesting style of Robert's and fans get caught up in it but bowlers like Barry Asher with 10 tour wins and a Firestone along with a HoF in St. Louis are year in year out the better bowler.

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Who is barry Asher and what kind of style does he have?

I read your comment about revs not getting you anywhere. I disagree. I feel it's the type of revs you have. Of course the end over end approach is a great one to take. However I feel if you can control your revs they can help create a bigger pocket and with that more strikes.

I can play both ways. My A game(high revs) and my B game(end over end). It all depends on what the lanes give you and which style is more comfortable.

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scotts33 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:47:11 AM »

http://jewishsportshalloffame.com/Hebrew/JSHF/Barry_Asher.html
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chitown · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:54:33 AM »

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http://jewishsportshalloffame.com/Hebrew/JSHF/Barry_Asher.html
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What kind of style did he have. Was he a stroker or tweener? The guy obviously was a great bowler.

scotts33 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:58:42 AM »

I'd call him tweener. Very adaptable. Problem with boomers is that they are shut out on most pro conditions but always in the hunt of easy THS.

Another interesting fact about Barry is that he had a hard time getting his approach started ran afoul of the 24 sec. clock a lot. Hitch in his get a long.
Great bowler of his time.
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thfonz98 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2006, 01:03:06 AM »

barry also was in the big lebowski i believe, when the dude is talking to old low voice guy barry is bowling in the background(IIRC, at the end of the movie)

i also heard he would get stuck on the approach too

ps he listed as bowling consultant officially for big lebowski: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0038852/
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chitown · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2006, 01:07:34 AM »

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I'd call him tweener. Very adaptable. Problem with boomers is that they are shut out on most pro conditions but always in the hunt of easy THS.

Another interesting fact about Barry is that he had a hard time getting his approach started ran afoul of the 24 sec. clock a lot. Hitch in his get a long.
Great bowler of his time.
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I know who your talking about. Jowdy talks abouthim in his book. Had a real mental thing with getting started. Now I remeber.

Crankers do have a hard time on some tough conditions no doubt. That is why a bowler that has a high rev release needs to learn different hand positions. Robert Smith is adapting to this. I seen him throw small swing shots on TV. I have focused my high rev shot to be a controllable one.

Chris Barnes is a great example of a bowler that can swing the whole lane or end over end it when the conditions call for it.

When I hit a condition that my swing shot isn't getting to the pocket I have been trying to develop the end over end. I can do it but still need more consistancy throwing the end over end. That is an awesome release to learn. I feel a bowler needs to be able to do both.

Didn't Couch win the weber open with that tough stripped pattern? He is a boomer. I didn't see any strokers win it. THS are not the only patterns the high rev players excel on. There are tough patterns that they do well on also. I just don't buy into kncking on the high rev release. I feel it has it's place. Plus I feel the better bowlers adapt to what the lanes give then and use what ever release works.

scotts33 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2006, 01:11:07 AM »

Yep be adaptable.........that's the ticket!
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Re-Evolution · « **Reply #14 on:** January 25, 2006, 01:58:22 AM »

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No doubt his style probably can't be taught. I just like watching this guy bowl. Does he use a frisbee release? What do you guys feel allows him to rev it beyond what most high rev players can?

Edited on 1/25/2006 1:29 AM

I saw some high speed video of his release which shows where all his power comes from and that he has to have the strongest and quickest wrist on tour.
Just before he releases the ball he increases the cock of his wrist and then unloads the cock and cup very quickly. If I remember right the increase and unload happened in 3 frames and the video was shot at 350fps. To be able to increase the amount of cock in his wrist at the bottom of the swing like that takes an insane amount of strength. Not sure how much force is being exerted at the bottom of a 20 mph swing with a 16# ball but I am sure it is very high due to the g forces that would be present with that speed and arc length.
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