Author Topic: robert smith on the masters and us open (Read 3196 times)

lsf_21 · « **on:** February 10, 2010, 12:46:41 PM »

Robert Smith I have come to the realization that the masters and the US open are fantasy camps for some players. Today I had a guy on my pair ask if i was mandated to wear dark trousers, and he also wrote a poem about the 10 pin that he had written and felt needed to be shared. I go +9, the rest of my pair went -800. I love bowling!!!!

i laughed at this.
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DanH78 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2010, 09:11:30 PM »

I think the Masters and US Open bring out 4 types of bowlers

1) Legit contenders.
2) Bowlers that don't quite have the skills YET, but know the only way to get better is to bowl against better bowlers on harder patterns. These guys will put up respectable scores
3) Bowlers that THINK they have the skills, but don't understand why their 230 THS average doesn't put them in the running
4) The Fantasy camp bowlers who just want to say they crossed Chris Barnes at the Masters/Open

If I had the money, I'd be 4...but even if I had the money I don't think I would bother.
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someguyintucson · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2010, 10:08:04 PM »

Xtra Frame showed his pair for the last game of qualifying and it was pretty brutal to watch the other guys bowl. On the pair next to him, it was PDW, Malott and Tom Baker along with some little dude that couldn''t make a spare to save his life. Put Robert Smith with those guys and he probably goes +200 for the day and makes the cut.

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ralphiejantz · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2010, 07:59:04 AM »

Yeah Ive seen a ton of people at the Open that have no business being there
Unless you can consistently average over 215 on a sport pattern or PBA pattern you really have no business showing up unless you want to just donate your money

I hear a lot of guys say they do it for the experience (these are guys that average 180 on a house shot league)
if you want the experience of throwing money away send it my way I will gladly take it

I will never understand that point of view

someguyintucson · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:53:01 AM »

The USBC seriously needs to review the average requirements for the Masters. The rules state that you must average 190 or more for 21 games or average 173 in a sport league. Seems like that should be 210 or more in a house league or 190 or better in a sport league. Averaging 190 in a house league isn't much of an accomplishment, especially to enter a prestigious tournament like the Masters.

Wilbert · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2010, 02:08:13 PM »

I think they keep the min average low to get a higher number of contributors to the tournament. Also, there is an occasional bowler that comes from a dungeon center and doesn't carry the big average.

themagician · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2010, 02:34:08 PM »

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Not too long ago, and I'm not sure if it is the same. To join the PBA they just asked either a 200 house average or 175 sport average!

That needs to be adjusted to 200 sport average and 225 house average.

My two cents.

I'd go 200 Sport Avg, 230 or even 235 THS average.
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Thunder835 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2010, 06:18:56 PM »

I would like to see the average criteria changed as well...BUT, that being said, these tournaments need these people to pad the prize funds. The sponsors aren''t going to put up every dollar for the bowlers to compete for. The prize fund has to come from the entries. If you only allow the bowlers that have "proven" themselves, these events would draw 100-125 people, max! Same with the regional tours. We need the "dead money" entrants.
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David Lee Yskes · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2010, 11:48:46 PM »

what they should do is have all the Touring Pro's and Regional guys, bowl on the same shift...

Everyone else..... on the other shift....

If you have booked a 200+ average on a sport shot league, you can bowl with the Pro's.

If not..... well your stuck with all the other donators.....

That would rid the issues of Pro's having to fight though the tough lanes when "hacks" are tearing up the lanes, and you see 4 pro's paired up and they are tearing up the lanes, because they are "working" together to score well.
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DP3 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2010, 12:41:10 AM »

220 house doesn't mean squat translating to sport. I've seen guys 220 house average 205-210 sport and guys 220 house average 165-170 sport. It all depends on the conditions the 220 is booked on. The number 220 can never be a vague estimation of ___ number to sport. There's too many factors. There's guys near 220 that throw the same ball on the same line every week for 220 in a league that shoot 720 one night and 580 the next night, then there's guys that make moves, have bad weeks, get out of a funk albeit ball matchup or tweaking something in the physical and go 220 averaging 630-720 every week with an occasional 580-600 here and one or two 780-810 sets a year. 2xx has never been an indicator of how someone can perform on a sport condition that take's them out of their physical comfort zone and makes them make shots and convert spares.

It amazes me that people still think things are this cut and dry considering the amount of variables.

BrianCRX90 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2010, 03:50:49 PM »

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I would like to see the average criteria changed as well...BUT, that being said, these tournaments need these people to pad the prize funds.

Ya...leave it the way it is. The players and the PBA need as much money as possible.

Atochabsh · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2010, 07:05:16 PM »

If you want prize money then you have to welcome the donators. Why are you scouffing at those that have the money and want the experience? They are contributing to the prize fund. Without them, prize fund gets much lower.

As a USBC member that really has no aspirations of bowling in such a tournament, I also don't like my dues going to a tournament that nearly always boils down to almost exclusively PBA members by the first cut.

Erin

trash heap · « **Reply #12 on:** February 16, 2010, 11:52:40 AM »

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If you have booked a 200+ average on a sport shot league, you can bowl with the Pro's.

I disagree with this. They paid their same entry fee as a pro. Is the Professional's money any better? (Maybe it smells better). If you don't want them there then change the criteria.

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Put Robert Smith with those guys and he probably goes +200 for the day and makes the cut.

Robert Smith is a professional and if he can't hack it on any set of lanes then he should not bowl in the tournament.

I hate these kind of statements. It saying that he got cheated out of something.

Were those lanes longer?
Were the pins heavier?
Were the approaches shorter?
Was the oil pattern different?

Oh wait ... he was playing with a bunch of nobodies. What did they do? Screw up his line or make a mess of the oil pattern because they don't know how to break down a pattern correctly.

You all complain about the sport of bowling dying. And yet when new comers get aboard. You do what? Make fun at their inexperience, and laugh at their questions.

I guess you forgot how little you knew when you first started bowling tournaments. You won't be laughing when Tournament Entry Fees are twice the amount in 5 years and the total prize fund is less than it is now.

You will stand there and wonder what happened. Forgetting about your arrogance in the previous years.

You should welcome these new bowlers. Let them leave the tournament with a good experience. If they feel good they will come back. Some will get better, some will stay the same. Give them credit for trying.

There are plenty of other tournaments out there that keep these bowlers out.

milorafferty · « **Reply #13 on:** February 16, 2010, 12:59:29 PM »

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If you have booked a 200+ average on a sport shot league, you can bowl with the Pro's.

I disagree with this. They paid their same entry fee as a pro. Is the Professional's money any better? (Maybe it smells better). If you don't want them there then change the criteria.

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Put Robert Smith with those guys and he probably goes +200 for the day and makes the cut.

Robert Smith is a professional and if he can't hack it on any set of lanes then he should not bowl in the tournament.

I hate these kind of statements. It saying that he got cheated out of something.

Were those lanes longer?
Were the pins heavier?
Were the approaches shorter?
Was the oil pattern different?

Oh wait ... he was playing with a bunch of nobodies. What did they do? Screw up his line or make a mess of the oil pattern because they don't know how to break down a pattern correctly.

You all complain about the sport of bowling dying. And yet when new comers get aboard. You do what? Make fun at their inexperience, and laugh at their questions.

I guess you forgot how little you knew when you first started bowling tournaments. You won't be laughing when Tournament Entry Fees are twice the amount in 5 years and the total prize fund is less than it is now.

You will stand there and wonder what happened. Forgetting about your arrogance in the previous years.

You should welcome these new bowlers. Let them leave the tournament with a good experience. If they feel good they will come back. Some will get better, some will stay the same. Give them credit for trying.

There are plenty of other tournaments out there that keep these bowlers out.

Amen to that!

I'm a house hack, and I admit it. I considered bowling in the Masters this year, but decided to wait one more year. Do I have a chance? No, not even a sniff. But I love to bowl and I enjoy the experience. It's attitudes like Robert Smith that will continue to keep bowling down. So his lanes were messed up by us "common folk bowlers"? Oh yea, that must be what has kept him out of the TV show the past couple of years.
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northface28 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2010, 01:06:39 PM »

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If you have booked a 200+ average on a sport shot league, you can bowl with the Pro's.

I disagree with this. They paid their same entry fee as a pro. Is the Professional's money any better? (Maybe it smells better). If you don't want them there then change the criteria.

quote:
Put Robert Smith with those guys and he probably goes +200 for the day and makes the cut.

Robert Smith is a professional and if he can't hack it on any set of lanes then he should not bowl in the tournament.

I hate these kind of statements. It saying that he got cheated out of something.

Were those lanes longer?
Were the pins heavier?
Were the approaches shorter?
Was the oil pattern different?

Oh wait ... he was playing with a bunch of nobodies. What did they do? Screw up his line or make a mess of the oil pattern because they don't know how to break down a pattern correctly.

You all complain about the sport of bowling dying. And yet when new comers get aboard. You do what? Make fun at their inexperience, and laugh at their questions.

I guess you forgot how little you knew when you first started bowling tournaments. You won't be laughing when Tournament Entry Fees are twice the amount in 5 years and the total prize fund is less than it is now.

You will stand there and wonder what happened. Forgetting about your arrogance in the previous years.

You should welcome these new bowlers. Let them leave the tournament with a good experience. If they feel good they will come back. Some will get better, some will stay the same. Give them credit for trying.

There are plenty of other tournaments out there that keep these bowlers out.

+1, this sense of "entitlement" has and will continue to kill bowling.
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