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Shark show
« on: December 26, 2010, 04:22:36 AM »
Sucked.

Not bad bowling, but horrendous, abysmal conditions.
Survival of the luckiest - where's the skill involved to win?
Pathetic.
can't imagine a non-bowler trying to find entertainment value in this.
Small wonder bowling is doomed.
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Re: Shark show
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2010, 09:27:07 AM »
what ever happend to taking hand out of the shot and playing straighter?

was it more of an ego trip to see who could loft it the farthest and cover the most boards.  imo  that crap should only be allowed (if ever) in those skills challenges.  It can't be good for the lanes... where were the signs.... NO LOFTING..!!!

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Re: Shark show
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2010, 09:42:10 AM »
What do you expect?

 This is what happens when a sport gets lost and loses its self and its true identity.

 In virtually all the other sports, an amatuer can compare themselves to the professionals they see on TV. Not in bowling.

 If you can hit a baseball, or a golfball, make a freethrow, or throw a football, you can compare your skills with the guys you see on TV.

 But, bowling you can''t. Bowling has made it a point of telling everyone about how different the pro game is, and how we "just can''t understand" how good they are because their conditions are SO different than ours.

 When you have to start making things harder through artificial means, then use that difference to emphasize how little the amatuer actually knows (basically insulting them, their talent, and their understanding, every week), its no wonder the PBA is losing money and viewers.

 The PBA should NEVER have sought to seperate itsself from the amatuer bowler, but fought to familiarize themselves to them. Instead of making it harder to compare yourself to the pros, they should''ve made it easier.

 If you''re playing amatuer league baseball, its still baseball. Same with football, basketball, hockey, golf, soccer, etc.., but not bowling.

 If you''re in amatuer league bowling, you are told you are playing an inferior level of the game, made easier especially for you because you aren''t good enough to play the REAL sport.  Bad mistake.

 You really want to impress the public with how good the pros are? Then don''t make everyone bowl crappy on special "tough" conditions. Give the pros the easy league shots, then dare the public to shoot the scores they see on TV.

 If the pros can consistently shoot high scores on the easier conditions, then LET them. Then the amatuers could truly compare and be impressed instead of being alienated and insulted.
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Re: Shark show
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2010, 09:58:04 AM »
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what ever happend to taking hand out of the shot and playing straighter?

was it more of an ego trip to see who could loft it the farthest and cover the most boards.  imo  that crap should only be allowed (if ever) in those skills challenges.  It can't be good for the lanes... where were the signs.... NO LOFTING..!!!


Welcome to 2010...when you're a power player you migrate left.  You try to find virgin head oil.  If the players had moved right and taken hand out of it they would have brought the puddle to the right in play.  Then they would have had early hook to the left...and MASSIVE hang to the right.

Yeah moving right and taking hand out of it would have been good...provided you don't miss more than 1 board off target...if you do it's either brooklyn or a wash out.
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Re: Shark show
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2010, 10:59:39 AM »
The fact is, the pros are THAT good compared to the amateurs. I was talking with Ryan Shafer at the Ultimate Scoring Championship they had a few years back. His quote to me was, "We have nothing to gain, and everything to lose by bowling on a house shot", and I have to agree. If they shoot the lights out, which many of them did, they were expected to. If they bowl sub-220 games, amateurs will think they are trash (cause they are supposedly bowling on the same "house" pattern). Mind you, the "house shot" they put out was still more difficult than any house shot I have bowled on. It resembled the USBC Blue Pattern or one of the Kegel Challenge Series patterns (more hang right, less tug left). So, in essence many pros still shot lights out on a pattern which league bowlers would still stuggle to hit 200 on.

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Re: Shark show
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2010, 11:29:06 AM »
It would have been funny to see someone pull out a 360 grit ball and try and play off the ditch.
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Re: Shark show
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2010, 12:07:06 PM »
OK, I get it all, but lets review it anyway.

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The fact is, the pros are THAT good compared to the amateurs.


 Yes, they are very good, but so are SOME amatuers.


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I was talking with Ryan Shafer at the Ultimate Scoring Championship they had a few years back. His quote to me was, "We have nothing to gain, and everything to lose by bowling on a house shot", and I have to agree. If they shoot the lights out, which many of them did, they were expected to. If they bowl sub-220 games, amateurs will think they are trash (cause they are supposedly bowling on the same "house" pattern).


 But, if they really ARE that good, why would they bowl sub par games on a shot that easy?  Sounds to me like you are talking about the fear of failure and how somebody doesn't want to make themselves appear to be a chump by failing to shoot big scores on the easier shot. Why fear it so much if you really are that good? Afraid of being thought of as trash? Then don't bowl like trash, ESPECIALLY while you're busy telling me how easy the shot is.


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Mind you, the "house shot" they put out was still more difficult than any house shot I have bowled on. It resembled the USBC Blue Pattern or one of the Kegel Challenge Series patterns (more hang right, less tug left). So, in essence many pros still shot lights out on a pattern which league bowlers would still stuggle to hit 200 on.


 Probably true, but remember this. The target audience of bowling ISN'T the diehards here who already know these things, it is the great un-washed masses out there who you are trying to draw in and relate to. It is THOSE people you are trying to draw in and amaze with the professionals talent, and THOSE people will be more likely to relate to a professional shooting 250's and above.

 The way to get people to watch isn't to have pros bowling 170's and telling those watching that their so dumb we have to explain to you why they did that, it's by having the pros shoot incredible numbers, then telling them it just might be possible for them too IF they practice and work hard enough.


 You want to thrill the spectator, excite and enthuse the spectator, to draw them in and get them to participate, not insult their intelligence with a bunch of mumbo-jumbo about why the pros have "special" conditions that the amatuers just wouldn't understand OR be able to bowl on.


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Re: Shark show
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2010, 12:17:30 PM »
I'm not sure if this is true but I remember hearing somewhere that back in the late 80's and early 90's of the PBA they put out a "pro" shot during qualifying and match play but once you got to the tv show they put out an easier shot that you could score on and would be entertaining to the TV crowd.
Anyone know if that was the case?.. and why not do this now?

Not saying it would be the best thing or the right thing.. just looking for views and opinions on the topic.


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Re: Shark show
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2010, 12:23:55 PM »
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What do you expect?

 This is what happens when a sport gets lost and loses its self and its true identity.

 In virtually all the other sports, an amatuer can compare themselves to the professionals they see on TV. Not in bowling.

 If you can hit a baseball, or a golfball, make a freethrow, or throw a football, you can compare your skills with the guys you see on TV.

 But, bowling you can''''''''t. Bowling has made it a point of telling everyone about how different the pro game is, and how we "just can''''''''t understand" how good they are because their conditions are SO different than ours.

 When you have to start making things harder through artificial means, then use that difference to emphasize how little the amatuer actually knows (basically insulting them, their talent, and their understanding, every week), its no wonder the PBA is losing money and viewers.

 The PBA should NEVER have sought to seperate itsself from the amatuer bowler, but fought to familiarize themselves to them. Instead of making it harder to compare yourself to the pros, they should''''''''ve made it easier.

 If you''''''''re playing amatuer league baseball, its still baseball. Same with football, basketball, hockey, golf, soccer, etc.., but not bowling.

 If you''''''''re in amatuer league bowling, you are told you are playing an inferior level of the game, made easier especially for you because you aren''''''''t good enough to play the REAL sport.  Bad mistake.
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In the nine years I''''ve been bowling and reading this forum on a regular basis, this section of the post is the best thing I''''ve ever read on here.  League Bowlers are the customers.  We buy the equipment and we watch the shows on Sundays.  In what other business do you go to your customer and insult their ability and tell them how much better you are then them?  Any knowledgeable league bowler knows that the pros are better than us, but we don''''t need it drilled into our head every telecast and Randy is the worst for doing this

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Re: Shark show
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2010, 12:40:27 PM »
I agree.  I think Randy and some of the other Pros forgot, they are started out as League Bowlers.

But, this World Series stuff.  I think most of these guys are not really professionals.  They paid their money, bowled the required amount of games and if they had a good tournament, found themselves on TV. Is this correct ?




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Re: Shark show
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2010, 05:02:24 PM »
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I agree.  I think Randy and some of the other Pros forgot, they are started out as League Bowlers.

But, this World Series stuff.  I think most of these guys are not really professionals.  They paid their money, bowled the required amount of games and if they had a good tournament, found themselves on TV. Is this correct ?






Are you referring to the TV show or the tournament proper?  Either way, the majority, if not all, are professionals in the U.S. or in their respective countries.
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Re: Shark show
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2010, 11:37:50 PM »
Until the casual viewer can get an idea of the challenges facing a bowler without having it shoved down their throat without a real world example besides a colored graphic or lane length piece of carpet, the PBA is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation with the way today's amateur and league bowling game is. Real bowlers understand the difference between a huge THS wall and a brutally broken down Shark pattern but the casual viewer is just going to wonder what the heck is going on, considering they can go bowling and hook the entire lane with a house ball and strike. But let them bowl on the soft league conditions and it will just become a carry contest with skill not being a premium.

I personally enjoyed the entire show, bowling wise that is. But I really don't know what the PBA are supposed to do to try and satisfy the bowling masses as well as generate a wide viewing audience with the game you have today and you aren't exactly flush with sponsorship and no one is willing to throw multi millions around just for the heck of it.

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Re: Shark show
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2010, 12:23:00 AM »
The shot was really hard if you put a ton of revs on the ball. It still doesn't change the fact the matches toward the end looked no different then any two new bowlers at your local house trying to hook the ball with no thumb spraying the lanes and leaving ugly splits and shooting 170 or less.

I agree that whoever decided to go straighter at the pocket and not hit the OB would have won easily and maybe broke 200.

I could be wrong about that, but it looked like the only thought was more revs and move left. Not straighten up and move right and hope for makable spares.

No matter the condition when the pros look like they've never bowled before it isn't good.



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Re: Shark show
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2010, 05:23:12 AM »
From someone who''s been there (and I''m not trying to say anyone else''s opinion is wrong by any means):

http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/bowling/article_dd5ac88c-11e8-11e0-b900-001cc4c002e0.html
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Re: Shark show
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2010, 05:35:59 AM »
Interesting article and probably the angle the PBA will try to spin off of. It won't sell since no one who bowls is watching.



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Re: Shark show
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2010, 07:02:39 AM »
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What do you expect?

 This is what happens when a sport gets lost and loses its self and its true identity.

 In virtually all the other sports, an amatuer can compare themselves to the professionals they see on TV. Not in bowling.

 If you can hit a baseball, or a golfball, make a freethrow, or throw a football, you can compare your skills with the guys you see on TV.

 But, bowling you can''t. Bowling has made it a point of telling everyone about how different the pro game is, and how we "just can''t understand" how good they are because their conditions are SO different than ours.

 When you have to start making things harder through artificial means, then use that difference to emphasize how little the amatuer actually knows (basically insulting them, their talent, and their understanding, every week), its no wonder the PBA is losing money and viewers.

 The PBA should NEVER have sought to seperate itsself from the amatuer bowler, but fought to familiarize themselves to them. Instead of making it harder to compare yourself to the pros, they should''ve made it easier.

 If you''re playing amatuer league baseball, its still baseball. Same with football, basketball, hockey, golf, soccer, etc.., but not bowling.

 If you''re in amatuer league bowling, you are told you are playing an inferior level of the game, made easier especially for you because you aren''t good enough to play the REAL sport.  Bad mistake.

 You really want to impress the public with how good the pros are? Then don''t make everyone bowl crappy on special "tough" conditions. Give the pros the easy league shots, then dare the public to shoot the scores they see on TV.

 If the pros can consistently shoot high scores on the easier conditions, then LET them. Then the amatuers could truly compare and be impressed instead of being alienated and insulted.
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Great post!  People have to realize that now matter how good the professionals are, they are entertainers.  People want to see homeruns, touchdowns, birdies and eagles, strikes, etc.  We want to see people perform the best under pressure.  No one wants to see 170-160 grind out matches.  They are boring and serve no value whatsoever. This past Sunday was the first time in 25 years that I've turned off the telecast after watching Belmo and Osku bowl.  I knew what the rest of the show was going to be.  Throw and pray.  Absolutely boring.  Too many other sports on TV that are more fun to watch.  They should have just put out a shot that allowed Osku and Belmo show what they can do to a bowling ball and see how many messengers they could throw.

Unfortunately, I think the PBA will be dead in 3-5 years.