Author Topic: So is Malott a choker? (Read 2232 times)

Russell · « **on:** October 30, 2008, 11:02:36 AM »

I was noticing something...Wes Malott has an 11-14 record on TV....and Barnes has a 37-49 record. The win/loss percentage is almost the same....yet whenever Barnes loses he chokes...when Wes loses you all still love him.

I know that the high rev guys could kick your dog and you'd still love them....but is that a double standard?

Just wondering.
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KennyRambo · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2008, 07:09:08 PM »

No, he's not.

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2008, 07:10:41 PM »

No, Malott is not a choker, according to the bowling intelligentsia of this board.

However, Chris Barnes, Mike Scroggins and Ryan Shafer sure are.

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bowlerdawg · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2008, 07:20:20 PM »

i like the craken myself, but i think he's kinda a choker
he had the game to win, but his problem is in between his ears

he lets guys get under his skin imo and he gets pyscked out

pa talk to much junk and gets all flustered

michael haugen he took for granted and ringing 10 pin LOSER

i like the guys game
he doesnt practice in the offseason at all so the dudes got talent

i wish he would win more

he can neutralize just about any pattern imo
spped + revs = pin domination
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VIXIV · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2008, 07:20:54 PM »

Well, if those numbers are right, then maybe it's simply because Barnes has been seen losing on TV more. Kind of like when a team is continuously in the playoffs. The role players on that team are better known than the star players on teams that aren't so good.

Doesn't matter to me, though. I'd like to be as good as any PBA bowler.

jbruno6 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2008, 07:45:30 PM »

Why not give the list of non-chokers? Who are the guys that do not choke?
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Platinum Bowler · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2008, 07:49:11 PM »

I don't get why Barnes' record on tv is brought up all of the time as the reason he is classified as a choker. I make him out as a choke artist because of the obvious choke jobs that he has done. He has done it so many times, in so many different ways. A flagged 10 pin here, a sudden gag to go beak, etc. He has done it quite a few times when he was in a close match or had the chance to win. This past Sunday, he didn't choke. It never was a close match to be classified as that.
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Walking E · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2008, 07:54:49 PM »

When Malott fouled to lose to Liz Johnson I thought he massively choked. He has since redeemed himself in my eyes. I'm hoping he picks up 2-3 titles this year.

The bowler who appears to be a "choker" to me lately is (gasp!) Pete Weber. He just seems too jittery on TV of late, which is unusual for someone who has been around a while. That foul last year when he stumbled over his own feet is a hard image for me to shake. I hope he puts it together this year and makes a comeback - Pete has always been one of my favorites.
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jkiser01 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2008, 08:00:18 PM »

All this choke talk is ridiculous and I am so tired of reading it.. I can only wish I was a choker like Chris Barnes apparently is. Its amazing how some users with a 200 book average on a walled up house shot can now say one of best bowlers the PBA has to offer is a choker because he has made some bad shots on TV..

These guys have records like this because they do what they are supposed to do: MAKE TV SHOWS!! They are not going to win everytime and yes Chris has made some bad shots on TV but that does not IMO make him a choker..

The guy has 10 national titles with career earnings of 1.5 MILLION dollars, man I sure wish I was a choker like him..

Now Wes is being brought into this nonsense..

Both those guys have more game than most of the bowlers on this forum including me by a long shot.. I am a fan of the PBA and thought most serious league bowlers where as well but I guess not and yes everyone can have there own opinion, but until someone has been under the same pressure of being on TV and trying to bowl for thousands of dollars, I just see no point in making these statements..

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greenefam · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2008, 09:01:18 PM »

Sorry but I don't buy the whole 'he's not a choker because he is much better than the rest of us humans' argument. If the PBA wants to be treated like a real professional sport then the fans should be able to make observations such as choking without constantly being told that the pros are better than us.

Is Chris Barnes much better than me and probably everyone on this board? Yes. Does he have a multi-year history of choking when the game is tight on TV? Yes he does. That doesn't make him not potentially PBA Hall of Fame bound but if you don't think it's true then you haven't been watching. It is almost entirely a matter of the pressure he puts on himself - not a judgment of his game.

So, to the Wes question. I can't see that Wes has a significant history of choking and I'd argue that win-loss record is not the indicator of choking. If you have to make a shot when the game is on the line and you can't then you are a choker. Wes is not.

jkiser01 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2008, 09:18:49 PM »

I never said he was not a choker because he is better than every other human. I was just trying to state that Barnes has been on TV a bunch of times and when your on that much, the chance of losing is much greater than if your not on TV. No doubt he has made some serious mistakes on TV but he also has 10 titles..

I also agree everyone can make whatever comments/observations they want to make but the constant bashing of Barnes on this forum just gets really old IMO..

Thats all I was trying to point out and I do agree with alot of what you are saying..

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Sorry but I don't buy the whole 'he's not a choker because he is much better than the rest of us humans' argument. If the PBA wants to be treated like a real professional sport then the fans should be able to make observations such as choking without constantly being told that the pros are better than us.

Is Chris Barnes much better than me and probably everyone on this board? Yes. Does he have a multi-year history of choking when the game is tight on TV? Yes he does. That doesn't make him not potentially PBA Hall of Fame bound but if you don't think it's true then you haven't been watching. It is almost entirely a matter of the pressure he puts on himself - not a judgment of his game.

So, to the Wes question. I can't see that Wes has a significant history of choking and I'd argue that win-loss record is not the indicator of choking. If you have to make a shot when the game is on the line and you can't then you are a choker. Wes is not.

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Rileybowler · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2008, 09:47:54 PM »

Neither one is a chocker, however Malott does seem to make good shots whereas Barnes will make awful shot example this past match misses a single pin and it wasn't even the 10 pin I think it was either the 8 or 4 pin
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DON DRAPER · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2008, 10:50:51 PM »

the great earl anthony had more losses than wins in title matches during his career......does that mean he choked ?

Mike Austin · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2008, 11:22:55 PM »

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the great earl anthony had more losses than wins in title matches during his career......does that mean he choked ?

Good point Greg. I think Walter Ray has a lot of seconds also.

I think the way they lose is why they are perceived the way they are. Barnes seems to over think himself, think too much. Wes seems to lose on something like a foul or bowl a good score but still get beat by an even better score.

Chris beat me to win his first regional title in El Paso in 1998. I missed a 10 pin in the first or second frame and then finished big but still lost, as The Son of Jeral started with the first 6-7 strikes.

Okay, back on topic, I have beat Chris in match play. I managed to get ahead each game and keep the pressure on him, he made 1-2 bad shots that cost him. I have yet to beat Wes in match play, like Chris, Mike Scroggins, and Mark Williams, I have had a hard time beating them, and they know it. Wes has crushed me every time of the 2-3 times I have faced him. Wes is much tougher mentally then some are seeming to give him credit for. His monster physical presence many times gives him an advantage that a smaller guy like me can never hope to get, and he can repeat shots too, Wes is probably more naturally physically gifted than Chris, Chris has worked his tail off to hone his game.

Neither one are chokers, and they both bowl in the SW Region, such fun....

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #14 on:** October 31, 2008, 12:14:38 AM »

mike i think you'll admit that even the best have days when they are not at their best-----whether it be physically, mentally, emotionally, etc.

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