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fluff33

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Straighter is Greater
« on: February 14, 2010, 07:23:49 AM »
Way to Go WRW!!!! Another illustration of straighter is greater.  47 titles, 8 majors. And still going strong at age 50.
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Re: Straighter is Greater
« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2010, 02:56:35 PM »
I wouldnt say straighter is always greater

the thing with Walter is he is a more accurate player than most people in the world and he very seldom misses a shot when he is at his best

put that along with the fact that he basically always around and scoring well and thats what makes him a successful player

but he has his days especially on longer patterns where his carry sucks compared to guys that actually put some rotation on the ball
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Re: Straighter is Greater
« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2010, 03:15:19 PM »
ding, ding, ding we have a winner.

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o.k. so chris barnes is versatile...and if he is then he would do what it takes to win!!!!obviously his line wasnt working and wrw line was....so why not jump on that line or similiar and keep up the scoring pace and keep it close????no shame on playing where the ball is scoring well huh????
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Spoken like a true house hack...sorry you guys that say stuff like this are complete idiots.

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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2010, 03:15:19 PM »
If straighter was always greater, you would see EVERYONE on tour throwing the ball up 5.  The fact is that there are only a select few that are good enough to make a living on tour playing relatively straight.  WRW, Norm Duke, Brian Voss...  

Sometimes straighter is greater, sometimes hooking it is better.  It varies from pattern to pattern, house to house, lane to lane, shot to shot.  Under the TV lights and pressure, anything can happen in one game.  

Personally, I think Barnes is the most versatile player on tour.  He can do just about anything with a bowling ball.  However, I still consider WRW the BEST player on tour just because he wins the most.

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Re: Straighter is Greater
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2010, 03:47:15 PM »
Good points dukeblue87...
I believe last season the Player of the Year award went to Wes Malott which revs it up 400 rpms and loves to hook the whole lane. The only time you would ever see him play "straighter" is the lanes that call for that or shooting at a 10 pin. To be honest it doesn't matter. If everyone could be like Walter and as great as he is they would be like Walter. The same goes for Wes Malott. The same defintely goes for the versitle one Chris Barnes. Some things can't be taught like natural talent.
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho

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Re: Straighter is Greater
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2010, 04:47:18 PM »
Group the PBA bowlers by style - count up the wins - any questions?

I might add that while power is the most noticed part of bowling, accuracy is the most often overlooked part. The guys that make 99% of their spares usually win a lot of games when it counts.
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« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2010, 05:04:57 PM »
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Russell...spoken like a true genius!!!you must be on tour also since your so SMART!!!!i'm not a house hack like you and i love bowling period!!!!how in the hell do you know what would worked and what would not GENIUS???mr.expert you should have been there to advise chris and maybe he would have won!!!!and your an GENIUS!!!!
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and you obviously suck at the internet...
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« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2010, 05:35:09 PM »
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If you talk to Brunswick and the PBAs lane man about the oil patterns.  These patterns are not designed for the straight, lower rev guy.  They are designed for the higher rev players.

The way the lanes break down is the ultimate equalizer in the game.   They all know how to break down the lanes to favor, or create havoc for each other.  

The masters like Walter, and Norm will always find a way to play them.  You can only hope to create alittle more difficulty for them.

Alot of what you see on tv, the good and the bad games is a product of what goes on to create good and bad on the lanes.  You have 4 guys, with all different strategies.   Sometimes this turns into a HUGE MESS, as the World Series of Bowling tv shows were!


Just a FYI, the masters used Kegel machines and oil.  I believe the regular tour uses Brunswick oil.  I am not sure what machines are used.
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bowlingmytmouse

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« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2010, 09:14:50 PM »
There is no doubt that Chris Barnes is the most talented bowler on tour, but that is a blessing and a curse...I think that more often than not it gets in his way.  He overthinks it.  Yesterday he had a good look, not GREAT, but good.  But a blind man could see that his ball was finishing light.  Now did he make changes?  Yes, I am sure...but see his talent allows him to make such subtle changes that we couldn't even fathom! I think that if he just kept it simple he would be much better. I think thats why he was so great in college, he had a couch to TELL him what to do, now it just seems he does TOO MUCH.  Just my opinion.

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Russell

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« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2010, 09:47:35 PM »
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There is no doubt that Chris Barnes is the most talented bowler on tour, but that is a blessing and a curse...I think that more often than not it gets in his way.  He overthinks it.  Yesterday he had a good look, not GREAT, but good.  But a blind man could see that his ball was finishing light.  Now did he make changes?  Yes, I am sure...but see his talent allows him to make such subtle changes that we couldn't even fathom! I think that if he just kept it simple he would be much better. I think thats why he was so great in college, he had a couch to TELL him what to do, now it just seems he does TOO MUCH.  Just my opinion.

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Not sure what show you were watching...but when his ball struck it went through the 8 pin..not exactly a "light" entry.

I agree with the assessment of him getting in his own way.
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bowlingmytmouse

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« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2010, 10:02:31 PM »
The show yesterday...man you look at the first couple of 10 pins, I wish I would have recorded it so I could tell you which frames exactly...his ball was not finishing at the 8 pin.  WRW''s was definitely finishing THROUGH the 8 pin but Barnes'' ball was tapping it. A LA those ugly 10''s.
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« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2010, 10:15:43 PM »
Luckily I found someone who did tape it!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/SundaysR4Bowling#p/u/13/t92zROxKtq0
Look at Barnes''s first 2 strikes and take note where the ball is located as it leaves the deck...now look @ shots in frames 4, 6, and 8.  Note this is after he left a 4 pin in the 3rd.  That ball is deflecting through the pins versus rolling through them.
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« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2010, 10:19:04 PM »
Darth,

I would dare to say those bad shots were due to tweaking...overthinking it.  Again, I don't know what he did, I ain't him.  

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« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2010, 01:33:12 AM »
I remember a show where he describes himself as a "feel" player - one to get off to a slow start, similar to Wes Malott. I believe that if Barnes would have been the #2 seed, he could have possibly settled in before facing Walter Ray (Assuming he would have been the #1 seed). Same thing could be said with Kelly Kulick and Barnes. If Barnes was a lower seed, it's possible he could have found something to disrupt Kelly or find a perfect line for him.
 It was also said that Barnes "broke them down" incorrectly by creating a friction spot too far from WRW. Therefore, he couldn't get WRW to move, but he might have in another game or two, if the format was such one. Any non believers - refer to the Go RVing Matchplay Classic. In the telecast, WRW beat Barnes with the front 9 or so, but Barnes eventually won the 3 game set. In a one game match, I'd put my money on WRW. Three or more game set, Barnes definitely.
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Re: Straighter is Greater
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2010, 03:01:49 AM »
Dave_in_Rio_Rancho....excellent points sir!!!keep it simple stupid...as someone on this site has put in his signature!!!simplier is better....ALWAYS!!!!less margin for error and easier to remedy!!!!as to you russell i dont suck at the internet....but i do have trouble trying to reply to quotes like yours and getting right!!but really russell aint trying to fight with you or no one else.im here to learn and get and give info when i can.so in the immortal words of one rodney king..."CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG"????especially us who love to bowl!!!!
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« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2010, 05:21:48 AM »
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indeed he did.. I just knew Barnes would be using the mission like he did in match play.. Guess he thought the pure swing was a better look. I also thought he would have jumped outside right on wrw's line and make it transition faster.. guess I was wrong. Barnes has serious game though.. just didn't get the breaks today. Also WRW is tough, in a one game match the dude is just bad, ask PDW.. haha
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I saw some of the last match on xtraframe on friday and he used a momentum swing during some of it.



He started the match using a 5.5 inch pin Pure Swing..

1:20 into this clip:  http://www.youtube.com/user/SundaysR4Bowling#p/u/15/MozfYBF1NKs
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