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HamPster

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Summary of why bowling is down
« on: February 26, 2008, 05:18:06 AM »
Everyone feel free to add their own thoughts or comments, but make them relevant, please.  Here's one of my thoughts.

The PBA, unlike other sports, only showcases 4, sometimes 5, bowlers in one single show, one day a week, less than half the weeks of the year.  While it's an individual sport that features a weekly champion, unlike baseball, football or basketball, but similar to golf, it's very quiet throughout the week.  More often than not, golf shows every round.  However, unlike golf, the championship is not determined by highest total pinfall once all the games are completed, it's decided by a bracket finals similar to the sports with only one annual championship.  It's an odd mishmash of different elements, but I still believe that's what makes it unique.  However, I believe that despite the benefits, it's also a detriment.  Fans of golf that like to see a certain player play more often than not get to see quite a bit of that player the whole tournament.  Although the majority of people that are fans of the PBA watch the show regardless of who is on it, there are quite a few who will only watch the show if a player that has their interest has made it.  Showing the other rounds on tv would take away from the impact of the championship round a bit, but at the same time, it would open up people to a whole new world.  

Imagine golf if you were only able to see a few of them on tv once a week.  I for one would have liked to see Andrew Frawley throw more than one game, I'd have liked to see how much different match play is from tv.  The TQR and qualifying rounds get us all set up for the rounds of matchplay, that piques our interest for the matchups . . and then we have to watch on the internet . .  I'd love to see the rounds leading up to the show weekly.  Plus only seeing one or two games on tv lends the audience to all sorts of idiotic or flat out errant assumptions or conclusions.  As far as this weekend goes, I spoke to Rick Benoit on Sunday when he was back in town, and he said the lanes played a lot slicker throughout the week, and the reason that Frawley did so well is that he was excellent at keeping a slower speed consistent.  I also found out that my conclusions about Wes Malott are wrong.  More often than not when Wes is on tv, it looks like he gets down to the bottom of the swing and grabs the hell out of the ball, but Rick gave me a funny look when I asked him how Wes was still so effective, and said Wes really gets it down into the lane pretty quickly.  How does Walter make tv week after week if he bowls the same way during the week that he's bowled on tv the last couple times out?  He's looked horrible, but yet he still makes it more often than not.  

That's my basic thought.  Scoring, equipment, all that has to do with it, but I thought of a different angle here.
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2008, 01:21:29 PM »
If you got a hole in one every week in golf or caught a prize bass every time you dropped the line in the water that would get boring as well..... Bowlers refuse to accept the challenge of PBA or Sport bowling they just want to score and even that gets boring.

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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2008, 01:23:21 PM »
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As far as this weekend goes, I spoke to Rick Benoit on Sunday when he was back in town, and he said the lanes played a lot slicker throughout the week, and the reason that Frawley did so well is that he was excellent at keeping a slower speed consistent.


I was wondering about that.  Also the kind of reaction Shafer was getting kind of made me wonder.  Clearly it wasn't like this leading up to him getting on the show...
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2008, 01:30:59 PM »
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If you got a hole in one every week in golf or caught a prize bass every time you dropped the line in the water that would get boring as well..... Bowlers refuse to accept the challenge of PBA or Sport bowling they just want to score and even that gets boring.

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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2008, 01:34:08 PM »
Yeah . . bowling is getting that way.  I'm bored out of my mind here in town, nothing's a challenge.  Lol, I went and bowled at the local joke of a center here in town that everybody avoids like the plague.  Old wood, even the guardian is torn up.  Now it's not horrible enough to where anything's warped or where the ball hops, it's a consistent enough reaction, but the shot dries up quickly, it's a pretty flat shot and you have to be on top of things.  I wanted a challenge, which the other centers in town can't provide.  Even the torn up Laneshield that can't hold a shot for 5 frames is pathetically easy.  It's fun for a while, but then it quickly loses its interest . .

So why do you think that people still golf even though it's probably one of the toughest sports to master?  Who ever goes out and plays a round of golf and isn't frustrated at some point and time?  Sure there are par 3 courses that are supposed to be easier, but if you can't hit the ball straight, what does it matter?  I don't mind reactive bowling balls, I believe if you can be accurate with reactives, you can be accurate with plastic, and that when you make a good shot, I think you should be rewarded.  Reactives also tend to help out a bit, I don't mind that.  The lane conditions have to change though.  Reactives sometimes even make it tougher on tighter conditions.  Anybody have any suggestions how to work towards that?
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2008, 01:38:46 PM »
I don't know I thought the point of bowling was to fling a ball 20 mph toward the gutter (anywhere near the gutter) and get a strike.
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2008, 01:46:39 PM »
First not just the PBA but bowling in general is down. So the audience of core bowlers is down.

Second why watch/pay to see what the locals are doing every week in league?

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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2008, 02:01:40 PM »
I don't get what you meant by that second part . .

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First not just the PBA but bowling in general is down. So the audience of core bowlers is down.

Second why watch/pay to see what the locals are doing every week in league?

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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2008, 02:12:00 PM »
locals shoot the same scores


as far as the demise of bowling, it is quite simple, as several factors play in

1 economics, disposable cash flow is down
2 time constraints, lots of people want to bowl but refuse to give up 30-36 weeks for it
3 family constraints see above
4 managements lack of trying to fill leagues.  

unlike in days past bowling alleys now need to  compete with many places for the family dollar, if the management is not willing to put forth the effort to fill a house, it isnt going to fill

Where I bowl the sport is doing quite well, small houses full, waiting lists for open bowling yada yada yada.  why because the management takes it seriously, an alley run by a non bowler is gonna fail everytime
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2008, 02:34:59 PM »
To put a spin on locals seeing the same thing...

If locals are playing in PBA Experience leagues, seeing the same thing on TV is more of an incentive to watch.
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2008, 02:51:49 PM »
I think there is a general misunderstanding by potential bowlers regarding the science behind it and just how much plays into whether or not a bowler can play the lanes well.

I think if potential bowlers were better educated about the challenge and variety of sport and PBA shots, they would find more interest in it.  

At the same time it is tough to bowl on those patterns and you don't want to discourage bowlers.

It's a win-win/lose-lose situation.
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2008, 02:54:20 PM »
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To put a spin on locals seeing the same thing...

If locals are playing in PBA Experience leagues, seeing the same thing on TV is more of an incentive to watch.
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not enough education of the general public to see or know the difference in patterns, they see house hack A (me) shoot 300 and ask why i am not on tour
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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2008, 04:47:46 PM »
In the 'golden years' of bowling it was a TEAM sport my five vs your five.  Then the PBA came along.  When the Budweisers were bowling everyone knew who they were.  Maybe the PBA should bring back the Team Element.

Incidentally I feel bowling is an Individual sport but something has to be done to bring life back to this game.

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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2008, 08:28:35 PM »
1) the economy

2) managers who are accountants not bowlers

3) owners who are accountants not bowlers

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Re: Summary of why bowling is down
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2008, 10:19:10 PM »
If Golf had only a few people on tv it would be TEN times better! The reason golf is so horrible on tv is because they are showing the whole tournament finals with multiple people in it. There is too many people participating and they are only showing what they want to show you. Imagine bowling instead of showing a "finals" in bowling with 4 or 5 bowlers and just have the bowling finals with 16 round robin bowlers bowling at once.

I've argued the "bracket format" tournaments that the PBA has. What is the point of having a round of 32, best of 7, head to head match play if all your going to do is but the final 4 on tv but it's only 1 game each? I'd rather see a round of 4 match play and have only 2 remaining bowlers left for the tv finals and have a best of 7 for that too. It would be much more exciting.