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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: mumzie on May 31, 2009, 04:33:34 AM
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Imagine what it was like today - he bowled pretty bad - dropped out four games early.
Why do I suspect it's not an injury!
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It might have been an injury, he could have hurt his hand or foot on the center equipment.
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Just goes to show you that when these guys withdraw and are not injured how little heart they actually have. Lets see , its the last day with only a few games left and I'm not in contention so do I suck it up and finish which can build some character or do I take the easy way out and quit? I'm finishing no matter what. Now some of these guys will claim that they are injured, but do you think if they were still in the running they would withdrawal? I doubt it. Come on guys if you don't have the heart to finish what you started, what makes you think you could handle a season on the tour? Hope you guys didn't quit your day jobs.
Edited on 5/31/2009 1:11 PM
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Wow, I remember the good ole days when this forum was for talking about bowling and bowlers who did GOOD things.. Pretty sad when morons get on here and can only BASH someone like Chris Collins. You really have no time with your lives then come on here for that reason huh. Chris might have a hot head and a temper, but DON'T EVER question his HEART for this game. Why do you think Chris is a hot head?? BECAUSE of the LOVE he has for the game and the HATE he has for LOSING!!! You don't hate losing because you don't have passion and love and heart for the game!! Don't you ever dare question it!!
I don't see any of you out there trying out for Tour Trials?! How come??
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Read my post georgie. Did I mention anyone by name? I gave my opinion about the guys who quit and are not injured and if you don't like it thats too bad. As far as hating to lose, are you saying that because you hate to lose, it is ok to quit? A lot of people hate to lose but not all of them quit while losing. The ones with heart will stick it out and finish and the ones without heart will pack up there stuff and quit. There, I did dare question it.
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rayyy my post was directed at you and mumzie basically.. mumzie for being ignorant to even start this thread. He represents something that has to do with bowling with shirts4bowling.com. Needs to keep his opinions to himself when you represent a company like that.
I know chris very well, I have been on the same staff on him for many years with many different people in it. I have watched chris bowl many many times. He has some of the most passion for this sport. To leave the sport and come back because he couldn't stay away just shows how much he loves it! So what if he ended early even if he wasn't hurt. What is it to you guys to come on here and bash him for it. These are the guys you like to watch every freaking weekend and now your going to come on here and bash them? Get a life and move on with it. There are so many other things you could be talking about with the world today then someone W/Ding from a tournament you couldn't even imagine bowling or have the thought of bowling!! Go bowl it, 45 games in 5 days on those brutal conditions and tell me you don't want to W/D after day 3 tops!! Pathetic!
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mumzie for being ignorant to even start this thread.
Call me names if you will - but don't call me ignorant. I have been within 10 feet of the FULL double bowling bags that Collins has thrown into the stands - hitting people who "care enough" to PAY to see these guys bowl. They don't deserve that treatment.
I've stood within 5 feet of Collins when he's been reprimanded - EVERY TIME I've ever seen him actually bowling at a tournament. Folks get on this forum and bash immature kids who act this way - where do you think they learn it????
I am NOT questioning Collin's talent - there's no question he's good. IF HE COULD CONTROL HIMSELF LIKE MOST GROWNUPS HAVE LEARNED TO DO, HE'D BE GREAT!!!
In the meantime, he leaves himself open to any and all attacks based on immature, unacceptable behavior.
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^^^ Couldn't have said it better myself!
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mumzie for being ignorant to even start this thread.
Call me names if you will - but don't call me ignorant. I have been within 10 feet of the FULL double bowling bags that Collins has thrown into the stands - hitting people who "care enough" to PAY to see these guys bowl. They don't deserve that treatment.
I've stood within 5 feet of Collins when he's been reprimanded - EVERY TIME I've ever seen him actually bowling at a tournament. Folks get on this forum and bash immature kids who act this way - where do you think they learn it????
I am NOT questioning Collin's talent - there's no question he's good. IF HE COULD CONTROL HIMSELF LIKE MOST GROWNUPS HAVE LEARNED TO DO, HE'D BE GREAT!!!
In the meantime, he leaves himself open to any and all attacks based on immature, unacceptable behavior.
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I saw him in a local tournament about 4-5 years ago, which he won by 48 pins. On his fill shot he left the 9 pin and was so mad that he threw his ball on the ground, chipping either the ball or the cement floor, hitting me in the face. That was with him winning I would had hat to see what would have happened if he lost?????
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The guy sounds like quite the fiery individual.
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Yeah if you've never met Chris and seen him explode, its really breathe taking sometimes. When he's not bowling, he's one of the nicest guys I know, but when he's upset, everyone in the bowling center knows it.
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I have no problem with fire and passion. LOTS of bowlers have that - myself included - at least the old me.
Where Mr. Collins crosses the line is with absurd temper tantrums and unnecessarily violent behavior.
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Surprised he has not been banned for that type of behavior. We had a guy like him here in Nashville. This guy even ripped the settee off the floor and threw it into a wall! He almost hit someone. He is banned from many centers in our city and proprietors have threatened to call the police on him before.
In that case, it is time for therapy and some medication before you hurt someone. If Chris Collins hit me with a double bag or debris fro a concrete floor, its off to court we go!
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Edited on 5/31/2009 3:45 PM
I think he had his PBA card suspended for awhile after having a blow up at a regional.
Guess he had cussed few times after losing, then cursed out Harry when he fined him. And it went on from there.
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Edited on 5/31/2009 4:50 PM
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Yeah I wasn't there, but he cussed out our regional director Harry O'Neal after Harry fined him for foul language. He was suspened 6 months. His brother gave up his card the next day for some reason lol
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Call me names if you will - but don't call me ignorant. I have been within 10 feet of the FULL double bowling bags that Collins has thrown into the stands - hitting people who "care enough" to PAY to see these guys bowl. They don't deserve that treatment.
I've stood within 5 feet of Collins when he's been reprimanded - EVERY TIME I've ever seen him actually bowling at a tournament.
You let him hit me with one of his bags and he'll have a lot more to worry about than a reprimand. If the guy truly acts this way, HE SHOULD BE BANNED COMPLETELY, PERIOD!
I have passion, I have fire, and I HATE to lose, but I wouldn't make a complete AZZ of myself. This guy needs help and behavior modification, possibly even medication, before he either hurts someone or someone hurts him.
I don't know him, but it sounds like I wouldn't want to anyway.
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You know what would be comical, if everyone that posts on here, had a forum that someone could come one and post what they thought of you & your work. The internet is a great place, for people who generally have too much time on their hands, to make posts about things that they really should not be commenting on. It allows anyone an opinion, such as myself, right now posting in regards to this meaningless post. Why would you take the time out of your life, wasting it posting about someone you could careless about? Does Chris making the exempt field have any impact on your life? DOes it make you feel better? About yourself?
Amazing how EVERYONE has to have an opinion.
Sorry for wasting my time on this...back to golf.
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+1 to Rico
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You know what would be comical, if everyone that posts on here, had a forum that someone could come one and post what they thought of you & your work. The internet is a great place, for people who generally have too much time on their hands, to make posts about things that they really should not be commenting on. It allows anyone an opinion, such as myself, right now posting in regards to this meaningless post. Why would you take the time out of your life, wasting it posting about someone you could careless about? Does Chris making the exempt field have any impact on your life? DOes it make you feel better? About yourself?
Amazing how EVERYONE has to have an opinion.
Sorry for wasting my time on this...back to golf.
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it's what makes the world go round...lol
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Rico, etc...
We don't post about the commonplace - at least most of us don't come to a message board for that.
We like to discuss the unusual, the different, the not-so-routine stuff. Most people don't find much to discuss when faced with the average. The humdrum. The usual. The normal. The plain. The sameness.
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chris collins and rudy kasimakis both quit and are therefore quitters. however, chris collins is an embarrassment to the pba and bowlers in general. the pba doesn't need players like these.
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You know what would be comical, if everyone that posts on here, had a forum that someone could come one and post what they thought of you & your work. The internet is a great place, for people who generally have too much time on their hands, to make posts about things that they really should not be commenting on. It allows anyone an opinion, such as myself, right now posting in regards to this meaningless post. Why would you take the time out of your life, wasting it posting about someone you could careless about? Does Chris making the exempt field have any impact on your life? DOes it make you feel better? About yourself?
Amazing how EVERYONE has to have an opinion.
Sorry for wasting my time on this...back to golf.
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I don't know if you meant to put it this way, but here's how that statement reads: Chris Collins can throw whatever kind of hissy fit he wants to and no one is allowed to comment about it, either because it's none of their business, they "just don't know" or something similar.
If I go to my place of business and throw stuff, break stuff and act out, my coworkers and employees will say something. If you televised my outburst and/or there existed a message board about my line of work and fans of me or another like me saw what I did, they would say something.
How can you expect someone not to?
I have never seen Collins go nuts. Therefore I don't talk about him going nuts. But to expect people to witness that and not say something is unrealistic. A pro bowler who melts down in public, at a venue, during a tournament in which he is representing the PBA is going to draw comments.
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I had heard and seen the legendary temper of Chris. I also sold him short for being a jerk before I ever spoke to him. When I bowled regionals for a bit back in 2003 I had the PLEASURE of crossing with him once. He was such a nice guy for the entire block, and was bowling pretty miserably.
I know he has a hot head...but he's such a super nice guy at all other times. If you ever get the chance and see him at a tournament go strike up a conversation, he's very personable and a super nice guy.
I imagine he's not a pleasure when he's bowling bad, but many tour players are like that.
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chris collins and rudy kasimakis both quit and are therefore quitters. however, chris collins is an embarrassment to the pba and bowlers in general. the pba doesn't need players like these.
I just enjoy the logic there.
Considering I approved what Ric said, I might as well elaborate. Often on this same board, Eugene McCune has been a similar target of criticism due to his on-lane behavior (not saying that Gene has had the outbursts of Collins, but he seems to strike a certain chord with some people). I'm sure you are all familiar with how that topic runs its course.
I personally feel it is truly tough to judge an individual based on this alone. If I didn't have the chance to bowl in the same local area as Gene, maybe my thoughts about his antics may be in similar fashion to most of those on here.
I will be the very first person in line to stand up for Gene and say, "he's a great guy." I have always enjoyed when he subbed in leagues or bowled our local sweeper. He's not afraid to have fun with everybody and is not afraid to share his knowledge on the game. He has gone out of his way to help me with timing issues in the past. He really is a good guy. I'd vouch for him anyday of the week.
Yet, a decent amount of posters have no issue jumping on the guy without any previous knowledge besides what they had seen on tv and such. Gene wears his emotions on his sleeve. Yet, in just about every other sport, we praise these individuals who show their frustration and jubilation on every play.
There in lies my distaste with people throwing out opinions of what they perceive as a "bad guy" based on limited knowledge in most cases.
As far as Collins is concerned, I've never had an issue with him. He was actually on my squad at the USBC Open Championships this year and was rather pleasant to be around.
I can understand being upset in your case, mumzie, with his emotions nearly hurting an outside party. I wouldn't think very highly of him either in that situation.
But I'm just not sold on throwing someone under the bus based on limited experience.
I hope my points are understood.
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Edited on 5/31/2009 8:46 PM
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chris collins and rudy kasimakis both quit and are therefore quitters. however, chris collins is an embarrassment to the pba and bowlers in general. the pba doesn't need players like these.
I disagree. This is exactly what the PBA needs, a bad boy figure. Of course with the exception of not harming anyone or anything. Chris is a natural athlete with God given talent. That coupled with a deep passion for winning, is a bad mixture at times. Look at Vince Lombardi or Dale Earnhardt. How to we rate them? Just my .2
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not to go back to the US Open but would you call PDW a quitter too? i highly doubt that the man would bow out with a record 5th title on the line. not to mention the 100k first place prize. i dont remember but im sure that there was some people that said he did quit so Mike Edwards could get his points.
for all we know, maybe he was hurt, and was trying to grind through the pain.
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Jayemm you are so correct. The US Open a prestigious event and PDW W/D'ed causing all kinds of havoc with exemptions and points. Does that mean he doesn't have HEART? You see people W/D out of alot of tournaments yet we choose to single out Collins. I believe there was roughly 17 W/D's from Tour Trials. Yet, no mention of the other people besides Rudy of course.
Scott Newell bowled many TQR's last year in the 2nd half.. Great player, no mention of him W/Ding
Lucas is a great international player!! Has won a few different tournaments, YUP HAS NO HEART because he W/D'ed!!
Tom Sorce great player out of NY area, man all these guys have NO HEART because they chose to W/D
81, Christopher Collins, Savannah, Ga., withdrew
82, Scott Newell, Deland, Fla., withdrew
83, Chris Cundiff, Portage, Ind., withdrew
84, Chris Polizzi, Spring Hill, Fla., withdrew
85, Tim Bell, Garden City, Mich., withdrew
86, Craig LeMond, Jasper, Ind., withdrew
87, Michael Wall, Fayetteville, N.C., withdrew
88, J.T. (Action) Jackson, Valley Village, Calif., withdrew
89, Lucas Legnani, Argentina, withdrew
90, Ivo Raul Chiriboga, Miami, withdrew
91, Brian Kjergaard, Fulton, Ill., withdrew
92, Nick Weber, St. Charles, Mo., withdrew
93, Rudy Kasimakis, Baldwyn, Miss., withdrew
94, Tom Sorce, Blasdell, N.Y., withdrew
95, Aaron Halash, Scottsdale, Ariz., withdrew
96, Jack Nealon, Bowie, Md., withdrew
97, Michael Norris, Livonia, Mich., withdrew
Really why don't we talk about all these people having no Love for the game or Heart!! Instead we single out Chris Collins. Ohh by the way PDW hasn't has his outbursts on tour right? What happens to him.. ohh NOTHING!! That's right!!
As Rico also stated, meaningless post as I said before as well!!
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MVP--to leave the game at all also shows how much he loves it.
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Someone elsewhere also said Rudy Revs pulled out to go bowl a regional -- knew he was too far behind in that tournament and decided to cut bait rather than fish. I'd have a hard time calling that "being a quitter" and would more aptly describe it as trying to get a paycheck.
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Jess, the Haters and people with way to much time on their hands will tell you no he should of stayed and tried to bowl the other 2/3 patterns and make the top 8. That because it was for his job next year. Not to pull out and bowl a regional that makes a couple thousand dollars.. He had no HEART when he made that decision to give in and say I don't have a chance. When in turn it takes MORE HEART to suck it up and say you know what I don't have a chance, BUT I might have a chance at the regional and I am going to W/D!! But very few people will look at it that way!
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I don't know Chris, but he sound like the kind of guy the PBA doesn't need as their poster boy...go Tim Mack. International champion with a ton of talent. He should be fun to watch next year.
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joegunn, I know Tim Mack very well. I roomed with him for 4 weeks overseas with him in Kuwait, Turkey, and Bahrain. We talked about alot of things, Tour Trials being one of them. One of his biggest goals this year was to be exempt out on tour for next year! He has battled through alot of injuries and pain to get back to 100%. He had an interesting trip overseas. Even almost ended his career by glue getting in his eye. Doctors told him he had 3 scratches on his eye, 1 being very bad! Was suppose to wear a patch while bowling in Bahrain the day after it happened. He took off the patch with blurry vision proceeded to shoot 300 and bowl his butt off!!
Tim has had a bad rep for being an international superstar, alot of people saying he can't do it on the american soil. Well hopefully this coming year he will be able to prove them all wrong by having an exemption. Doesn't need to worry about TQR's anymore!!
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I can see both sides of this thinking they are the correct ones. I saw Chris bowl in Alabama the year I was down there for the tour stop. He does have an explosive temper but there is another PBA player that has one as well and not a word about his temper so far. Yeah he was talked about due to pulling out of a stop. He has the intitials PDW. For years everyone talked about his temper and how bad it was. He still has it from what I understand just controls it a lot better. I think Chris is just like a lot of bowlers has the drive and passion to be the best and hates to come up short. I don't know the guy at all so that's all I am going to say about him.
MVP and Rico are also correct. So many of us on this board are quick to jump and point fingers and slander someone for something we don't know the whole story on. I will include myself on this as well. Does anyone know for sure of why he withdrew? All of us Monday morning QBs need to sit and look at the whole picture before jumping to a conclusion and running wild with it. MVP it is nice to see someone sticking up/defending someone that they know. That's all I have to say on this.
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I have no problem with someone who knows there beat. This isn't the first time people have w/d from the trials. Hell this isn't the first time Collins has w/d from the trials. My problem is with defending someone who has damaged other peoples items, property, materials, or equipment. Collins has had this happen on multiple ocasions and even risked injuring innocent bystanders. This is unacceptable, he is a great person away from the lanes but when you risk others property or body I cant condone those actions and honestly cant see how anyone can.
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I don't understand why it's always brought up about his temper everytime his name gets brought up. We all know he has a temper. Let it be.
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To Jayemm and Mvpbowler, you might want to actually KNOW the situation before using someone as an example. What Weber did at the Open isn't even close to what all the senseless donks are b!tching about with Collins. Its bad enough that people that have no knowledge of anything feel the need to start a post like this. Weber WAS legit injured and W/D because he could barely walk from back pain. Knowing the truth helps when using examples.
To all the other morons that are flaming Chris Collins, its he decision, he NEEDS to cash in the tournament that week in order to get paid for the week. So if he decides to bow out so be it, who are you to talk about how a guy earns his OWN money. Collins did this once, yet Marbury did this for a whole season but there was no thread started about him. Know what your talking about before starting a complete and utterly useless and absent minded thread.
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To Jayemm and Mvpbowler, you might want to actually KNOW the situation before using someone as an example. What Weber did at the Open isn't even close to what all the senseless donks are b!tching about with Collins. Its bad enough that people that have no knowledge of anything feel the need to start a post like this. Weber WAS legit injured and W/D because he could barely walk from back pain. Knowing the truth helps when using examples.
To all the other morons that are flaming Chris Collins, its he decision, he NEEDS to cash in the tournament that week in order to get paid for the week. So if he decides to bow out so be it, who are you to talk about how a guy earns his OWN money. Collins did this once, yet Marbury did this for a whole season but there was no thread started about him. Know what your talking about before starting a complete and utterly useless and absent minded thread.
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People flaming Collins is no different than what you do in most of your posts by flaming posters. Second off it was not his back as he himself said on PBA Xtra Frame it was between his Shoulder and Chest and was afraid he had an issue with his collar bone. Chill out and quit attacking everybody and anybody that posts on these forums. Please.
Edited on 6/3/2009 9:17 AM
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i have bowled pba regionals in the past and conducted myself as a professional...both in manner and speech. many of the other players do as well. unfortunately many players act like jack***** and swear like a sailor both on and off the lanes at the tournament site. these players make everyone else look bad. they also make the pba look bad. the pba does not need players who can not conduct themselves accordingly.....this includes quitting for any reason except for an injury/sickness or an emergency.
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Yeah if you've never met Chris and seen him explode, its really breathe taking sometimes. When he's not bowling, he's one of the nicest guys I know, but when he's upset, everyone in the bowling center knows it.
From my own experiences, that pretty much sums it up. Off the lanes, he's as nice as they come. At times he struggles to maintain a positive mental game, which is unfortunate considering his physical talents.
Can anyone speak to the real reason why he withdrew? It's possible that he injured himself on the second day and toughed it out until it was clear he couldn't make it.
As for whether or not Mr. Collins makes his exception affecting my personal life, it doesn't. It affects my bowling life directly because he bowls many of the same tournaments I do. Does that entitle me to have an opinion of his actions? No more than anyone else.
Assumptions should be avoided wherever possible. It's always better to stick to the known facts which it appears this group does not have in regard to Mr. Collins electing to not finish the tournament.
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