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K_Korner

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The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« on: April 01, 2004, 05:36:25 PM »
Justin Warhol Recently won a spot in the PBA Regional at Patchogue Bowl on March 4th, 2004.  He used an Ultimate Inferno drilled by The Perfect Fit.  He then bowled in the Regional and qualified 11th to make it into the finals.  In his first round of match play, he was leading 1-0. He seemed to be a lock to win the match, when the tournament director approached him in the middle of the second game, in which he was also leading.  he was told that the Master Wrister that he was wearing was not a PBA sponsored item.  He was forced to take it off and fined $100 for his actions.  He could not bowl properly after that because his wrist was weakened by the removal of the Wrister and wound up losing the match.  We then looked at the packaging for the Master Wrister and it had the PBA logo on it.  What does this mean?  Should he have been forced to take it off even though the packaging said "PBA sponsored item"?  We looked closer at the packaging and it said, "Copyright 2001."  Now whose fault is this?  Do we blame Master for not updating their packaging?  Justin was a first time PBA Regional bowler and the director had mentioned that the rules of the tournament were on-line and should be read before bowling.  What if someone doesn't have on-line access (There are still a few people without it)?  In conclusion, Justin lost the chance to maybe place higher in the tournament and collect a larger check.  
Bowling is Justin's life, that is his career, he is very good at it.  He is extremely down on bowling anymore PBA sponsored events.  To lose someone like this for the future of the tournament and the future of the PBA would be a disgrace because of something that was the fault of the Manufacturer.  Feedback please. Thanks for reading.

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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2004, 09:39:00 AM »
Well, he can look at it as a learning experience, and move on, with a wiser outlook, or he can let this ruin his life...
This is a MINOR infraction, and something that happens all the time. PBA takes the equipment sponsorship very seriously - they have to. If he wants to play with the big boys, he needs to know the rules. I do believe rule books should have been available in the paddock as well.
Why didn't he turn around and pick up a SPONSORED wrist brace?
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2004, 09:47:50 AM »
You mean this thing:

"This durable, neoprene wrist aid provides total, unrestricted, flexible support. Made of quality closed-cell neoprene with absorbent, laminated stretch fabric lining. Wrap-around Velcro® straps adjust for exact tension. Helps prevent carpal tunnel syndrome and keeps wrist therapeutically warm. Includes flexible insert for additional support."

Doesn't sound like much of a wrist support.  If you ask me, your friend's problem was more mental than physical.

Tell him to get over it and move on.  If this is the worst thing that ever happens to him, he'll be pretty lucky.
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2004, 09:52:02 AM »
Thanks for the replies, but why does Master leave the PBA logo on their items?
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2004, 10:00:46 AM »
Seadrive it doesn't give support in the sense of a cobra or Robby's wrist support does. I use mine because I tend to get a little sore and tenderness on the outside part of my wrist. The fact that it is a neoprene material helps keep the area warm and loose. I have fewer problems when I do wear it than when I do not. So to say that it is a mental problem is not necessarily true depending on his reasoning for wearing it. Granted that still does not take into account that the rule was in place and if I recall correctly Master has not been on the list for several years.

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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2004, 10:08:29 AM »
Does anyone have a link to this "list" of approved accessories?
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2004, 10:09:06 AM »
I would place the blame squarely on the shoulder of the bowler for not having checked the current list of approved products that appears on the PBA website.  

There are lots of items in the marketplace that were packaged prior to the current year.  This holds true for bowling merchandise as well as other areas of sales...

Just because something was approved at one point in time does not mean it is approved for eternity...

It is ALWAYS the responsibility of the bowler to know that they are in compliance with product registration guidelines.  For PBA rules, if he truly did not have access, then he should have called Seattle if the Regional Director would not give him an answer.  My guess is that he never looked and never asked about whether his wrist device was approved for use this year.  Pay the $100 and either bowl without or obtain one that is in compliance with the current registration requirements.

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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2004, 10:11:04 AM »
oops, there it is...
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2004, 10:17:27 AM »
When I bowled the US Open they make it a point to tell you that Master products are not allowed on Tour.  I used a Dragon wrist support for leagues and local tournaments but at the US Open I had to change to a Robbie Revs.  It has to be the bowlers responsiblity.
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2004, 10:36:49 AM »
I answered this in the NE forum. but I'll echo what has been said here.  It is the bowlers responsibilty to make sure that they use registered products. As a PBA member, I'm sorry that Justin was fined and that it probably cost him money, but there is a "Registered Products" link on the PBA web page that anyone can and SHOULD access before bowling in a PBA tournment.  It's under "Membership Info", but it is accessable to everyone.

If he wasn't sure of anything, he should have asked Russ during the non-members and first-timers meeting.  Had he not taken it off, he would have been disqualified.  Was this an expensive learning experience, no doubt, but that shouldn't stop him from bowling more regionals and/or joining the PBA.  If it does, then maybe there's a bigger issue here.

Edited on 4/2/2004 11:31 AM

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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2004, 10:52:43 AM »
I heard there were issues with certain brands of insert tape as well, although I can't find a link to support it...
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2004, 10:54:15 AM »
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In his first round of match play, he was leading 1-0. He seemed to be a lock to win the match, when the tournament director approached him in the middle of the second game, in which he was also leading.  he was told that the Master Wrister that he was wearing was not a PBA sponsored item.  He was forced to take it off and fined $100 for his actions.  He could not bowl properly after that because his wrist was weakened by the removal of the Wrister and wound up losing the match.  



Looking at the recap of the event, I would hardly have said he seemed to be a lock to win the match...it wasn't as though he went from shooting lights out to scoring poorly.

From the PBA website: #6 Bob Caruso, Dayton, N.J., def. #11 Justin Warhol, Sound Beach, N.Y., 3-1 (161-195, 203-186, 237-151, 225-216)
 
His best game of the set actually came in the last of the four games...pretty much ruins the argument that he couldn't "bowl properly" after the non-approved equipment was discovered.

Being htat he was not a member and was actually bowling as a guest, he needs to suck it up as a learning experience.  If he continues to blame the manufacturer then, as others noted, there are bigger issues.


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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2004, 12:02:02 PM »
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I heard there were issues with certain brands of insert tape as well, although I can't find a link to support it...
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From the PBA Members Guide:
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23.2 GUIDELINES FOR REGISTERED PRODUCTS
a. Competitors may not use any non-registered bowling-related
product in PBA competition. [Minor Penalty, One Hundred Dollar
($100) Fine, Disqualification if the product in question is not
immediately removed]
NOTE: Accessory items (cork inserts, tape, grips, slugs, rosin bags,
ball polish) are excluded from this rule.



Just found it in the on-ine version.  Of course, as pbafire stated, polish bottles must be left in the paddock.

Edited on 4/2/2004 12:57 PM

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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2004, 12:51:57 PM »
In the paddock area is a list of approved products to go along with an updated book of approved bowling balls. The problems that sometimes occur are usually in the beginning of the calendar year when the users fee paid to the PBA hasn't been done yet or a company decides not to pay the fee at all. Then the bowlers start scrambling to find equipment to use. For instance before Hammer was bought by Ebonite I used a urethane Claw as a spare ball for over a year then all of a sudden this wasn't an option. Some bowling shoes weren't approved either(I believe they were called Strike(sp.?) this caused some problems for some people.
I'm kind of surprised that your friend made it all of the way to match play before somebody caught what he was wearing usually the guys would point this out long before that time.
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Re: The Downfall of a possible New Member to the PBA
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2004, 01:05:05 PM »
What a bunch of CRAP!

Sounds a lot like the time Craig Stadler used a towel on wet grass to keep from getting his pants dirty.  Kneeled down hit a great shot off his knee/towels and ended up getting disqualified.

I'm sure if this guy did not make it to the match play it would never have been mentioned.

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PS too bad these rules have nothing to do with whether they give a bowler an unfair advantage(cleary they don't, he just didn't have time to adjust to another brand).  All they have to do with is products paying PBA fees!
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