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DON DRAPER

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the future of the pba ?
« on: June 16, 2005, 04:19:54 PM »
this month's bowlers journal international featured an article on how chris barnes won the $200,000 winner takes all contest sponsored by motel 6. the article was very ordinary in many ways---husband and wife happy that their childrens education is paid for, who beat who, chris barnes using a different ball on each lane, etc., etc., etc. however, what really caught my attention was the reply patrick allen made when he was asked about how he enjoyed the event. patrick allen basically stated that it was great to have a chance to bowl for so much money but he's afraid if this type of event becomes too popular a pba tournament as we know it would no longer exist. he's afraid the pba will change from a regular tournament to a one shot, winner takes all short format like the mega-sweepers. what does everyone think about this ?
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2005, 12:40:12 AM »
Doubt they could keep TV interest for long. If it came to that, you would probably see the birth of an "alternative" Tour. Money would probably suck, but it could grow.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 06:33:53 AM »
Allen was right. They need to nix the Motel 6 event after 1 time. Concentrate on sprucing up the real tour so some people will actually watch.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2005, 06:40:42 AM »
The tour screwed up when they went to match play.  They might as well give it a chance and see where it leads.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2005, 06:41:11 AM »
What I meant was brackets.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2005, 06:28:55 AM »
I think it was a terrible answer by PA. He should have been thankful for the opportunity to bowl for that kind of money. Only 6 were, if memory serves, though many more would have liked to have had the chance. I think Motel 6 could spread the money around and get a lot more done with it however. Glad to see Chris win, but they should be bowling for that and more every week.

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DON DRAPER

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2005, 10:26:10 AM »
the response by patrick allen is just one reason why he's not my favorite player. he may have had a great year bowling( pba player of the year ) but other than that he doesn't impress me.  as a pba member i would have been thrilled to be able to have a chance to bowl for money like that.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2005, 10:46:24 AM »
The pro tour is getting better because there was some decent money!

However for the bowlers and as a carreer it sucks!

It looks like the bastion of the single guy or those living with their mother!

Imagine we go back to 1968 or 1969 and apply the same rules!

Would Earl Anthony even try?

Married with family to support and knowledge that no lefties have made it through tour qualifying school in two years.  Jason couch.

Could Patrick Allen make it through qualifying school?

You see qualifying on 9 game blocks on a nine game block with harsh transitions is the bastion of the righty(I've discussed this before).

Qualifying on a blended condition is the bastion of the lefty!(I've discussed thsi before).

BUT once they get to match play a bad shot is relatively equal!
Thus Patrick Allen's considerable skill and match play are great.

If he started to try to make it on tour I question his success in qualifying school.

Imagine a bowler saying I'm one of the top 10 lefty bowlers in the world and I can't even try to make a living at it!

Did someone say there are 8 lefties on tour? I know 30 million righties who feel that is too many!
Only 57 righties.

This is a sad profession for both sides of the alley!

It will change and modifications will naturally happen.

In the mean time ... young talents, stay away from woman, move in with your mother and hone your righty game.  Lefties... take up golf!

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2005, 03:00:33 PM »
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the response by patrick allen is just one reason why he's not my favorite player. he may have had a great year bowling( pba player of the year ) but other than that he doesn't impress me.  as a pba member i would have been thrilled to be able to have a chance to bowl for money like that.


Greg,

You're antagonism towards Allen is letting you lose sight of the essence of what he said. This (what he indicated) has already happened in another sport very similar to bowling in its audience and in its professionals - billiards.

On TV now, all you see are games aimed at the shortened attention span of the younger audience - 7 ball and 9 ball. Bang! Bam! Thank you, Ma'm.

You have seen its beginnings in the new tournament formats of the PBA - No more qualifying blocks of even a miniscule 24 games. In the 50s, there used to be REAL qualifying - 100 games! Everything now is 3 games and eliminate the next guy. Bang! Bam!
Hell's Bell's, even the sudden death on TV is no longer 9th and 10th frames, but 1 DAMNED ball!

Yes, as I type about this, I get madder and madder, not just angrier.

Pretty soon, we'll have 3 frame games and 1 game matches.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2005, 03:05:07 PM »
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I think it was a terrible answer by PA. He should have been thankful for the opportunity to bowl for that kind of money. Only 6 were, if memory serves, though many more would have liked to have had the chance. I think Motel 6 could spread the money around and get a lot more done with it however. Glad to see Chris win, but they should be bowling for that and more every week.


Mr. King,

Shame on you also.

Patrick said he liked it and was glad to be there. You've been in this "game"/business long enough to know exactly what he implied and what will be happening more and more as the future unfolds. See my reply above to Greg Hoppe. The future is NOT rosy and people in position of power like you should not be criticising others, but helping the industry, through BTM's audience, to return to its position of strength, not mourning its demise.

Without the industry to be the backbone of this sport, it will soon no longer be a "sport", not a game.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2005, 03:31:36 PM »
TV want "fast sports". It shall go quik to name the winner.
It´s the same thing in archery. On ths Olympic games they just have shot offs.
But it´s what the audience wanna see...
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2005, 05:53:57 PM »
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TV want "fast sports". It shall go quik to name the winner.
It´s the same thing in archery. On ths Olympic games they just have shot offs.
But it´s what the audience wanna see...


No, It's NOT.
It's the interpretation that the producers put on what happens when audiences change the channels too fast, like during commercials. People's attention spans haven't changed; they are just bored and more uneducated than ever before.

When people know and appreciate the intricacies of any sport, they are always more interested. They do want to see examples of how different athletes perform those details and they appreciate the better performers winning, EVEN IF IT DOES TAKE TIME.

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2005, 06:31:27 PM »
i don't look at the pba like the average fan or espn does. i see a pba tournament for what it is: a bowling tournament for those who are the best in the world at what they do. the best players in the world bowl on the pba tour. everyone who wants to be the best strives to make it to that level and win. look no farther than junichi yajima. this man comes over from japan to bowl pba senior events because he wants the recognition of being a pba champion. the last time i spoke with marshall holman at the tournament of champions he told me that mr. yajima was a 7-time jpba player of the year and had won over 35 jpba titles. he is considered the earl anthony of bowling in japan. marshall holman also stated that if he had done his profeesional bowling in this country that he would have won many pba titles. marshall holman also stated that mr. yajima would have given up all his jpba titles for a pba title. i don't really care what the average fan wants to see when they turn on bowling on the tv. leave this sport to those who know what they're watching. i agree, i wish the pba would go back to the old format of running a tournament: the entire field would bowl 18 games of qualifying and the top 24 advanced to match play with the top 5 making it to the telecast. most of the better players( williams, jr., duke, voss, bohn III ) would prefer this as well. oh, and by the way, i don't have any antaganism towards patrick allen. i know he can bowl( and very well ). i just don't like him as a person. i save my real antaganism for pete weber, but that's another story.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2005, 06:41:06 PM »
Greg and evry1..To send a entiere tournament would take some time..and thats whats the problem in the world today. Time. People don´t have time to see a tournament for (just guessing) 5-6H+.
I´d rater see the entire competition than just the matchplay.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2005, 03:15:55 PM »
I don't care what will happen with the future PBA format just as long as I'm in it.lol. just kidding. I could hope though.
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