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DukeHarding

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Did WRW Choke?
« on: February 17, 2008, 12:09:19 PM »
or is he judged by a different standard than Chris Barnes?
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Mike James

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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2008, 11:38:38 AM »
I would think he probably did...I mean if you were going up against the Cell you probably would of sh*t your pants!!
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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2008, 11:42:32 AM »
how come everyone on here thinks someone "chokes" when they miss a pin or throw a bad ball and the loses their match??  if someone threw a split in the 3rd frame and didn't convert, then went off the sheet and still loses, did he choke in the 3rd frame?  when does it matter when they miss, they just missed. thats all.  just my opinion.
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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2008, 11:48:25 AM »
It's a retort for all the negative Chris Barnes stuff that was said on here before.  Now whenever anyone makes a mistake there is going to be a choke thread.
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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2008, 11:54:54 AM »
Walter, Pete, Joe and Chris are bowlers just like all of us. Except that they make a living out of it. They miss the same type of pins like we all do but we do it with more frequency. That is why I do not get mad if I miss a pin or spare. My life support does not depend on it. They do. Like all of us they just lost their focus on that instant because of thinking, " I have this game in my pocket and in the next game I will........oops. WTF!!!" Too much confidence in your game can destroy your focus. It happens to the best or worst of us. Talent and lady luck makes some bowlers, golfers and poker players look better then us but they are not. Scroggins was a tad better with his focus on his shots down the lane and had some good karma.
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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2008, 11:57:08 AM »
Some people perform great until they are put under excessive stress i.e. pressure. Then, they choke.

WRW did not choke. He did not play well, by his standards, but he did not choke. His failure to win was not because he could not handle the pressure. Same for PW.
 
On a bad day for him, (WRW) he still managed to place second.

Obviously, the lane conditions were not the same as they were earlier in the week. This fact totally shook Billy O. It took him over 6 frames to adjust.


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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2008, 11:57:22 AM »
When Walter missed that 10 pin. To me, the look he made was like when someone re-aggravate and old injury.  Kind of like disbelief that this is happened now of all times.
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DukeHarding

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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2008, 12:36:12 PM »
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Walter, Pete, Joe and Chris are bowlers just like all of us. Except that they make a living out of it. They miss the same type of pins like we all do but we do it with more frequency. That is why I do not get mad if I miss a pin or spare. My life support does not depend on it. They do. Like all of us they just lost their focus on that instant because of thinking, " I have this game in my pocket and in the next game I will........oops. WTF!!!" Too much confidence in your game can destroy your focus. It happens to the best or worst of us. Talent and lady luck makes some bowlers, golfers and poker players look better then us but they are not. Scroggins was a tad better with his focus on his shots down the lane and had some good karma.


Borincano,

Very true...that's why you havbe to stay in the moment when you bowl...never look back, and never look ahead.
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Lane1Redneck

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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2008, 01:08:29 PM »
He didn't choke, but he did roll a bad ball. I did like when he blamed it on the ball. Could be mistaken, but I thought I heard it rolling over the finger and thumb hole as it normally dose for him..

I find it funny though, really the way that caliber of bowler will normally blame the equipment before themselves.. When I shot semi-pro in archery it was the same way, if somebody missed calculated on yardage or something, it was always the equipment fault.
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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2008, 01:26:41 PM »
As for walter ray choking, that is a big NO.  There was no choke there.  Pete guessed wrong n the line adjustment and it cost him no choke there. And I am in no way a chris barnes fan but i felt for him to make that many shows he has mad talent.  He didnt choke he is just overthinking and his head is getting in way.  Much like what PDW said was going on with him nce yu get to a certain caliber sometimes yu start over analyzing and over thinking things and then second guessing soon as yu do that you never had a chance when you started, I am the suffer from this something bad I wish I could just tune my head out cause it gets in the way so much and to this date I havent figured out how to get past it and until I do I will struggle.  So to all responses choking is all a matter of opinion and who are we to judge who is and isnt choking persay we are not out there under all that pressure we are just criticizing from our recliners on sunday.  just my humble opinion.
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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2008, 03:03:36 PM »
We are the consuming, unpaid, and often undereducated bowling public with a right to express our opinions.

I do not think that Barnes can be compared to WRW or PW. He has not won like they have won, and thus has not proven himself like they have. I think that Barnes will, in time, if he stays healthy and is otherwised blessed to be able to bowl a long healthy career, be in the same caliber, but not now.

I do agree that it is funny that WRW blamed his ball. Reminds me of one of my teammates during Tuesday league. I don't care how bad of a shot that he throws, its always the ball, or the person that drilled the balls fault. By the way, he is no WRW.


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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2008, 08:36:50 AM »
Rich, I think he's judged by a different standard than Barnes.  I think Barnes needs to learn how to win on TV before he can be compared to one of the best bowlers in PBA history.

WRW missed the spare in the first frame and it didn't cost him the match.  Barnes missed his spare at the end of the game and it DID cost him his title!

WRW hardly ever misses single pin spares.  I don't think the PBA has ever seen a better spare shooter than WRW.  

The PBA says WRW is the best bowler in PBA history.  I personally feel that it can go either way between Walter Ray and Earl A.

I also feel WRW is currently the best bowler in the PBA.  I think he's going to win player of the year.  I don't think WRW is done winning this season.  I feel he's going to win another title before seasons end.



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CHawk15

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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2008, 10:47:22 AM »
It definitely was a mistake that ultimately cost him the match, but it wasn't a choke.
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BowlingWolf

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Re: Did WRW Choke?
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2008, 10:58:03 AM »
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It definitely was a mistake that ultimately cost him the match, but it wasn't a choke.


I'm not so sure the outcome would've been any different, being that Walter essentially lost a maximum of eleven sticks by missing the 10 pin in the first frame, and he ended up 23 pins short of Scroggins' game at the end (214 to 191).

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