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Title: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 12:37:57 AM
I saw PBA's commercial yesterday advertising this week's tournament with Norm Duke wearing something from the 1960's as a hippie with dreadlocks and throwing a ball equally nostalgic.

The PBA should follow the NFL with commercials like Under Armour (we must protect this house), or commercials that show LT running through a team at night.  Every commercial the PBA puts out seems like the actors and possibly the film crew don't take bowling seriously as a product.  Every commercial or ad it seems only highlights and further cements bowling as a sport by dorks and boring people.

Hell, even parody themes from old Good, Bad, and the Ugly movies and just show their eyes in a sequence that is similar to something manly in film like Clint Eastwood.  Or parody Terminator or something.  These lame commercials that almost poke fun of how lame and dorky the sport's athletes are just make me mad.

Also, bowlers like Danny Wiseman with his flaming shirts (good bowler and like him a lot), doesn't help either.

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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 08:41:57 AM
Also, it would be nice to have the uniform policy significantly changed.  Even though Danny Wiseman wearing flaming shirts and pants, at least he is different and that sets his character.  Everyone else needs to be their character too.  In league bowling, you don't see 50 bowlers all wearing khakis and a plain polo.  I mean Jesus Christ!  Like in poker, everyone has their own unique style.  

So I want to see people wear wife-beaters - because I see that in league play.
I want to see someone with jeans and a t-shirt - because I see that in league play.
Have someone wear a suit or tuxedo.
Another in sweat pants and a football jersey.

Let's get unique!
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Jepp114 on October 24, 2008, 12:52:30 PM
quote:
Also, it would be nice to have the uniform policy significantly changed.  Even though Danny Wiseman wearing flaming shirts and pants, at least he is different and that sets his character.  Everyone else needs to be their character too.  In league bowling, you don't see 50 bowlers all wearing khakis and a plain polo.  I mean Jesus Christ!  Like in poker, everyone has their own unique style.  

So I want to see people wear wife-beaters - because I see that in league play.
I want to see someone with jeans and a t-shirt - because I see that in league play.
Have someone wear a suit or tuxedo.
Another in sweat pants and a football jersey.

Let's get unique!
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Umm there's a PBA dress code:
"Q: What do we have to wear during the tournament?
A: As a non-member competing in a professional event, you should make every effort to maintain a professional appearance in both clothing and personal grooming at all times. While competing in all PBA events the following guidelines must be adhered to during the practice session and all phases of competition. During PBA Tour events these guidelines must be adhered to at all times while in the center:

• Jeans, draw strings or parachute type pants may not be worn during competition.

• Shorts may not be worn during competition.

• T-Shirts may not be worn during competition.

• Earrings are permitted as long as they are in good taste.

• Items that hang or protrude from apparel may not be worn in competition.

• Hats may not be worn during competition.

• If a shirt is tucked into pants with belt loops, a belt must be worn.

• Any shirt that does not button down top to bottom must be tucked in.

• While in competition, your last name (first names are optional) must appear in permanently attached letters at least two (2) inches high in the central back area of the shirt.

• The back of the shirt (yoke) is reserved for PBA logo use (no fashion logos are allowed).

• Small fashion logos Are not permitted during PBA Tour competition.

• You must wear a PBA logo on the lower right sleeve position of your shirt. Other logos may be required and will be provided at the tournament site along with the PBA logo.

• All logos must be approved by the PBA. Displayed logos may not be more than six square inches in size. The right sleeve shall be reserved for the PBA logo and corporate tour sponsors. A total of four logos may be displayed as follows:

Two logos on the left sleeve
One logo on the left breast
One logo on the right breast
Logos may not be worn anywhere other than the three designated areas on the shirt
Competitors may not display more than two (2) logos of any (1) manufacturer or commercial sponsor
"
http://https://www.pba.com/faq/faq.asp#c1f28
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on October 24, 2008, 01:12:52 PM
sorry, I do not want to see professionals wearing wife beaters, jeans, t-shirts, and the like...just because guys wear that in non-professional leagues, doesn't mean it has to be carried over...that's why there is a difference between professional and amateur...I wouldn't want to see Major League Baseball players wearing the kind of stuff guys in a beer softball league would, nor NBA players wearing  what guys would in a pickup game or rec league...same thing applies with bowling...
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 01:38:58 PM
I was just suggesting ideas jeez.  No one else wants to help me save the PBA but will always put down all my ideas.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: mmcfarland300 on October 24, 2008, 01:58:06 PM
I can't say those ideas are saving the PBA necro,  the new jersey's that are offered this year are a step in the right direction.  It will add more individuality as necro is suggesting while staying professional.
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 02:31:15 PM
quote:
I can't say those ideas are saving the PBA necro,  the new jersey's that are offered this year are a step in the right direction.  It will add more individuality as necro is suggesting while staying professional.


Cool.  Yeah I know the PBA needs to keep some of what makes it the PBA, but change is what improves sports.  All the sports changed from 20-30 years ago.  The biggest change the PBA ever tried was actually 2:

-The gold pins that weighed a little bit more back in the 90's early 2000's (overall idea was ok, but why the hell they were gold is beyond me)

-The standard patterns that are out now that weren't available in the 70's and 80's.

Other than that not much else has changed.  The bowling audience is still the same.  The scoring is the same.  The lane designs haven't improved much.  Clothing is the same.  

I mean basketball added a 3 point line, made traveling legal for the most part, and made the game much more physical.

Football changed bigtime with 2 point conversions, tackling is weaker now, the forward pass, etc.

Bowling is still 10 frames, lanes are still 60 feet long, surface is still the same for the most part, the pins are the same.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: minimum bob on October 24, 2008, 02:39:14 PM
quote:
I mean basketball added a 3 point line, made traveling legal for the most part, and made the game much more physical.




Traveling is still illegal they just choose not to enforce the rule.

 
quote:
Football changed bigtime with 2 point conversions, tackling is weaker now, the forward pass, etc.

 


So, bad tackling is good for the game...?


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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 02:49:43 PM
quote:
quote:
I mean basketball added a 3 point line, made traveling legal for the most part, and made the game much more physical.




Traveling is still illegal they just choose not to enforce the rule.

 
quote:
Football changed bigtime with 2 point conversions, tackling is weaker now, the forward pass, etc.

 


So, bad tackling is good for the game...?


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I was just showing how both sports changed in relation to bowling.  Yeah traveling is illegal, but I did it, college players did it, NBA players do it.  Basketball just gradually got refereed more leniently and you can't say it didn't improve the game.  Imagine Jordan not being able to take 2-3 steps before dunks or layups.

Football is just becoming a pansy game LOL.  But used for example in this thread.  I hate how every tackle that is hard is fined.  Screw that.  That ain't football, that is flag football.

But yeah, swimming made the water deeper which creates faster times.

Track improved by giving runners better shoes, lighter clothes.

Baseball improved by allowing steroids which resulted in more HR's.

Soccer improved by creating arena soccer.

The list goes on.  Bowling is still in the 1980's but with balls that break the game.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 24, 2008, 02:52:07 PM
I'm not getting your logic at all.  Almost every single "improvement" you've listed is either not an improvement (steroids in baseball), or is a technology advancement just like better bowling balls than we used to have.

You keep making suggestions about lots of things, and I keep vehemently disagreeing with every bit of your logic about anything and everything related to bowling.  Why is that??
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: pegleg42090 on October 24, 2008, 02:59:19 PM
I agree with how you want to make changes for the better to the PBA so people can become more interested, right? Bowling won't change things such as the lanes being 60 feet to the head pin, or how the scores being calculated in 10 frames. I think the Chris Paul tournament was good advertising for the PBA and we will see where it leads to this season.
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: minimum bob on October 24, 2008, 03:00:11 PM
quote:
Football is just becoming a pansy game LOL. But used for example in this thread. I hate how every tackle that is hard is fined. Screw that. That ain't football, that is flag football.

 


I agree.  I've believed for a long time that they should ban all pads and helmets in football.  I think it will actually reduce injuries and make the game a whole lot more interesting for viewers.


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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: bowlerdawg on October 24, 2008, 03:08:04 PM
yeah c'mon

we could have the look of the NBA in the PBA

more thug life.............

they could talk on their cell phones on the approach ( isee that in league )
they could smoke cigs and stoggies on the approach ( i see that in league )
they could spill there beer all over the place and get on everybodys shoes ( i see that in league )
get all tatted up and wear wife beaters w/ yellow arm pits, and a face full og metal like they tripped and fell face first into a tackle box

yeah i like the look of the new PBA

give me a break
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 03:09:13 PM
quote:
quote:
Football is just becoming a pansy game LOL. But used for example in this thread. I hate how every tackle that is hard is fined. Screw that. That ain't football, that is flag football.

 


I agree.  I've believed for a long time that they should ban all pads and helmets in football.  I think it will actually reduce injuries and make the game a whole lot more interesting for viewers.


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Yeah Bears coach Mike Dikta said they should take face masks off.  I doubt those primadonnas would go head first into anyone ever again.  It would be cool if they decreased the padding.  Of course, no one on Earth is going to play without a jock strap and cup LOL.  

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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 03:10:31 PM
quote:
yeah c'mon

we could have the look of the NBA in the PBA

more thug life.............

they could talk on their cell phones on the approach ( isee that in league )
they could smoke cigs and stoggies on the approach ( i see that in league )
they could spill there beer all over the place and get on everybodys shoes ( i see that in league )
get all tatted up and wear wife beaters w/ yellow arm pits, and a face full og metal like they tripped and fell face first into a tackle box

yeah i like the look of the new PBA

give me a break
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: bowlerdawg on October 24, 2008, 03:13:39 PM
the only 2 things in life that are gauranteed

death
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: The SuperHitMan on October 24, 2008, 03:15:42 PM
quote:
The PBA should follow the NFL with commercials like Under Armour (we must protect this house), or commercials that show LT running through a team at night.



Sounds good to me!
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: bowlerdawg on October 24, 2008, 03:17:40 PM
we could get TJ a face tat like mike tyson

we could get wes,norm, & walter all rapping hard core
flashing gang signs

smokin spliffs
wearin dreds
and BLING

oh and i forgot HO's
gotta have HO's

ok im done
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 24, 2008, 03:24:51 PM
quote:
we could get TJ a face tat like mike tyson
Please tell me someone's firing up Photoshop right now, cause that's funny right there!
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Ok no one is understanding me LOL.  Doing the thug thing or rap thing only makes them look like bigger dorks.  I don't need to see Norm Duke wearing baggy jeans and a white tee trying to act hardcore.  He is like 150lbs and definately not hardcore.

More suggestions:

-Have each bowler have their own theme song like WWE does
-Improve the filming of bowling like ESPN-360-HD camera technology did with football.  The split screen stuff is too old-school.
-After a strike, play their theme song.  Similar to when a wrestler wins a match, they play his/hers.
-Have promos.  That would be tight.  Have one bowler talking about how he is going to destroy the other.  Not sure why everyone is so nice to each other and patting each other's butts.  In my league, everyone is talking trash.  I don't say anything to anyone else but I talk to the pins - usually with cuss words.
-Have commentary by the bowlers that are coming up like have Tommy Jones say, "man Duke sucks, I'm gonna show him".  At least that is what I would say hehe.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 24, 2008, 03:40:00 PM
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 24, 2008, 03:42:03 PM
quote:
Ok no one is understanding me LOL.  Doing the thug thing or rap thing only makes them look like bigger dorks.  I don't need to see Norm Duke wearing baggy jeans and a white tee trying to act hardcore.  He is like 150lbs and definately not hardcore.

More suggestions:

-Have each bowler have their own theme song like WWE does
-Improve the filming of bowling like ESPN-360-HD camera technology did with football.  The split screen stuff is too old-school.
-After a strike, play their theme song.  Similar to when a wrestler wins a match, they play his/hers.
-Have promos.  That would be tight.  Have one bowler talking about how he is going to destroy the other.  Not sure why everyone is so nice to each other and patting each other's butts.  In my league, everyone is talking trash.  I don't say anything to anyone else but I talk to the pins - usually with cuss words.
-Have commentary by the bowlers that are coming up like have Tommy Jones say, "man Duke sucks, I'm gonna show him".  At least that is what I would say hehe.
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Columbia 300 SuperBeast
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Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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1) HD cameras are expensive, that's why they aren't using them.
2) The rest of that is garbage.  Are you really expecting more people to watch because of stupid kiddie crap like that?  I cringe when I see stuff like that creeping into any sport.  Cut the excess and let the actual emotion and energy of the event show through.
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 03:42:29 PM
quote:
quote:
the only 2 things in life that are gauranteed

death
taxes
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Storm Hit Blue Pearl
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 03:45:07 PM
quote:
quote:
Ok no one is understanding me LOL.  Doing the thug thing or rap thing only makes them look like bigger dorks.  I don't need to see Norm Duke wearing baggy jeans and a white tee trying to act hardcore.  He is like 150lbs and definately not hardcore.

More suggestions:

-Have each bowler have their own theme song like WWE does
-Improve the filming of bowling like ESPN-360-HD camera technology did with football.  The split screen stuff is too old-school.
-After a strike, play their theme song.  Similar to when a wrestler wins a match, they play his/hers.
-Have promos.  That would be tight.  Have one bowler talking about how he is going to destroy the other.  Not sure why everyone is so nice to each other and patting each other's butts.  In my league, everyone is talking trash.  I don't say anything to anyone else but I talk to the pins - usually with cuss words.
-Have commentary by the bowlers that are coming up like have Tommy Jones say, "man Duke sucks, I'm gonna show him".  At least that is what I would say hehe.
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Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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1) HD cameras are expensive, that's why they aren't using them.
2) The rest of that is garbage.  Are you really expecting more people to watch because of stupid kiddie crap like that?  I cringe when I see stuff like that creeping into any sport.  Cut the excess and let the actual emotion and energy of the event show through.

Cringe?  Man you are no fun.  Music is a staple of the universe like math - constant and forever.  Bowling has 0 music.  You can't even talk during rolls.  The introductions are boring and stupid.  They all come from behind some curtain with fake smoke and all wave to the fans.  I guarantee, if you put Vince McMahon behind a bowling company, that company will blow up big time.  There is money to be made in bowling, its just that you can't see it with the way things are right now.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 24, 2008, 03:46:47 PM
Back to the topic:

Bowling needs a change, but much of the afore-mentioned radical "evolving", i.e. drawing comparisons to football, basketball and WWE, is just plain looney.

What the game needs are more legit advertisers, maybe some game shows pitting pros against good amateurs, getting bowling back on prime-time TV on major stations, and sure, a different "look" clothing-wise, but definitely not something that's going to make it look thug.  Golf, for instance, still looks professional, but is much better marketed, to say the least.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 24, 2008, 03:48:59 PM
Necro,

You call me a depressing 50 year old, and just the other day on your birthday you mentioned you were half way to hell, and that you didn't want to reach 50.

Make up your mind dude.

By the way, I don't mind reaching the things I mentioned--they are part of life, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 24, 2008, 03:53:13 PM
Necromancer, I think you completely misunderstand the limited target audience professional televised bowling has, and the things they look for.  The professional wrestling/MTV audience is not interested in watching bowling!

And for what it's worth, I personally love music, but do not like it during sporting events.  I especially DESPISE the music that's played during the action itself at NBA games for example.
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 04:00:53 PM
quote:
Back to the topic:

Bowling needs a change, but much of the afore-mentioned radical "evolving", i.e. drawing comparisons to football, basketball and WWE, is just plain looney.

What the game needs are more legit advertisers, maybe some game shows pitting pros against good amateurs, getting bowling back on prime-time TV on major stations, and sure, a different "look" clothing-wise, but definitely not something that's going to make it look thug.  Golf, for instance, still looks professional, but is much better marketed, to say the least.
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PBA needs McDonald's to sponsor like a fat guy needs a McDonald's big mac.  The McDonald's HS All-star game is sick.  McDonald's or someone similar has the money to turn the PBA around.

It would be cool if the PBA followed the Madden Nation tour or the And 1 street ball tour that allowed a local bowler to actually detrone the current PBA squad.  Like this bowler would get a chance to bowl the champion of the tournament in a 2 game roll-off and if need a third game to decide who gets to stay on the tour and who has to go home.
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Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Necromancer on October 24, 2008, 04:01:58 PM
quote:
Necro,

You call me a depressing 50 year old, and just the other day on your birthday you mentioned you were half way to hell, and that you didn't want to reach 50.

Make up your mind dude.

By the way, I don't mind reaching the things I mentioned--they are part of life, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.
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I was joking haha.  But yeah for me, I don't want to live to 50.  My whole life is revolved around sports and being an athlete.  To have that all taken away from me would be crushing.
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Storm X-Factor Vertigo
Hammer Black Widow
Lane #1 Cobalt Bomb Solid
Brunswick Quantum Helix
Brunswick Quantum Double Helix
Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
Averages: Fall/Winter Sub 2007 213.000 Fall/Winter Season 2006 206.467 2006-07 Year 213.067 2007 Tourney 178.029

2006-07 League Champions
2007-08 League Champions
2008-09 Three-Peat???

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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Stever5000 on October 24, 2008, 04:04:25 PM
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we could get TJ a face tat like mike tyson
Please tell me someone's firing up Photoshop right now, cause that's funny right there!


http://img55.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tjwf3.jpg


Tommy Tyson?

Mike Jones?
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 24, 2008, 04:33:09 PM
That made my day.  
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: BowlingWolf on October 24, 2008, 04:46:20 PM
Necro,

Getting old is NOT a crushing experience, it's actually fun if one accepts the inevitable changes that come with the territory.

Incidentally, if one stays in relative shape (spiritually, emotionally, and physically), quality of life can be achieved even as the old shell and its interiors begin to erode.

Of vital importance also, is to have true friends and close family members that truly care about you, and vice-versa.

So, relax and stop worrying about trivial stuff.
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Edited on 10/24/2008 4:48 PM
Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Platinum Bowler on October 24, 2008, 07:53:48 PM
Back to the original topic, I do think that the PBA should make some "serious" commercials to advertise the game. I do think that most of their comedic commercials are funny though. But to think about it, most of the USBC-ran events (Women's US Open, Open Championships, etc.) commercials are usually more on the fierce and serious side, and is that really changing any of the viewer's minds on wanting to watch it or not?
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: Ricketts300 on October 24, 2008, 09:01:58 PM
Necromancer,
You are the ultimate DONK.
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Title: Re: The PBA Needs To Be More Dark & Mean
Post by: 302efi on October 24, 2008, 10:22:45 PM
The look and target audience needs a change and I kinda agree...to an extent

Since pro bowling is geared toward middle age and older men, I can see why PBA enforces the dress code the way they do. Middle aged and older men do not wanna see bowlers with individualism and flash putting on a show, they wanna see the "bowling" and the "playing the lane" stuff.

Theres nothing wrong with that, but we gotta agree its 2008 and styles and individualism are a big part of sports...and that attracts fans.

The "new age" does not want a boring sport where every looks and acts the same and the can't really interact with the game at all.

Look at how Randy Pederson threw a fit and yelled at a fan when he didnt strike against Norm Duke a few years ago. That kinda crybaby attitude is not going to help bring in fans...

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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Edited on 10/24/2008 10:24 PM