Author Topic: The PBA screwed up the plastic ball tourney (Read 7788 times)

chitown · « **on:** February 19, 2009, 04:21:56 AM »

I think it's crap that they walled up the shot! They were supposed to make the shot tough and have accuracy be the key to scoring. Nice job PBA for screwing up a great theme.

I was really looking foward to this tourney. I thought it was going to be cool to see pro's having to use plastic and be forced to rely on accuracy. The scores shouldn't be that high!

I also noticed that Duke isn't bowling.

SteveAustin2808 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 19, 2009, 11:11:44 PM »

To me, it is all about opinion. I'm not 100% sure but watching bowlers struggling it out to make the cut with the lower scores is like watching a pitching duel in baseball. To traditionalists, this is how they see it should be played however, ask yourself this...if you are going to watch baseball..would you rather see a 1-0 pitching duel or a game with tons of HOME RUNS?? Same goes in bowling, people want to see the pros throwing lights out and really really high scores. It is all just a matter of perception and how it will put people in seats at the live show and the ratings on television..just my thoughts...maybe people will think I'm stupid, maybe some people will agree..anyhow, carry on...

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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 20, 2009, 12:11:48 AM »

The tv shot is usually going to be a little easier then the shot through qualifing. If these guys shot 180s every week on tv no one would watch because it sucks to watch bad bowling...or golf...or baseball....or basketball...or football. People want to see pros be pros.

Man I would be pissed if I showed up to work and had a bunch of donkeys complaining that my job needs to be harder.

Considering everyone is complaining about the technology and how bad it is why aren't they all averaging 225+??? Because no matter what you still have to spare and adjust to the lane conditions. The equipment may help more people get higher scores quicker you won't average 210+ if you can't adjust and spare.

Whats this stuff about a level playing field??? Is there guys on tour only throwing urethane cause they can't afford new equipment? From what I can tell they can all afford the equipment free or otherwise and with 3 companies (ebonite, brunswick, storm) having a part in everything thrown on tour I don't see them having a equipment disadvantage.
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actsbowler21 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 20, 2009, 09:55:26 AM »

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Whats this stuff about a level playing field??? Is there guys on tour only throwing urethane cause they can't afford new equipment? From what I can tell they can all afford the equipment free or otherwise and with 3 companies (ebonite, brunswick, storm) having a part in everything thrown on tour I don't see them having a equipment disadvantage.
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That is I believe you are wrong. It's not that everyone can't afford the equipment out there, it's the guys not under any type of contract that don't get equipment handed to them vs. the guys that do, the guys that don't have to pay drilling fees on the truck because the company covers it for them vs. the guys who have to pay everything out of pocket, etc. While everyone can afford the equipment, the playing field is not leveled when one guy can struggle the first block and have his rep put the right tools in his hand, while another who struggles may seek the advice of a rep but has to shell out all of the expenses. That then leads to some second guessing as far as purchasing balls out there..

That is from a conversation I had with a friend who is exempt out there and one who chases the PTQ's. One is under contract with a company while the other isn't..Ironically in this situation the one not under contract is having a good year while the one that is signed is struggling. Both say that's the way it is out there for some guys.

Z Jellsey · « **Reply #49 on:** February 20, 2009, 12:34:08 PM »

No exempt player I know of is paying for balls. You are right about the $40+ drilling charge though!
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NoseofRI · « **Reply #50 on:** February 20, 2009, 12:49:24 PM »

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I threw on stripped lanes a while back. It makes for interesting shooting. I liked the loft 40 ft approach. It was fun it would land 40 ft down bounce twice and make a 90* left hand turn. That would be some good tv!
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Sorry to sink your ship with this, but this is a perfect way to actually destroy the lane surface... not so much the 40ft loft but the actually just throwing shots on a fully stripped lane.

chitown · « **Reply #51 on:** February 20, 2009, 04:02:35 PM »

Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.

My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.

They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!

J_w73 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 20, 2009, 04:18:31 PM »

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Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.

My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.

They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!

I agree chitown ... could have done it up alot better. PBA definately has an agenda.. I just don't know what it is...not sure if they do either.
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renoatpikeville · « **Reply #53 on:** February 20, 2009, 04:20:20 PM »

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Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.

My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.

They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!

You forget all the traffic that the pattern has to endure, 64 guys throwing most likely sanded plastic balls on a lower volume pattern...these guys are good! With the number of guys out there they can manipulate the pattern and blow it wide open. Plus lane surface, humidity, previously stated volume of oil, hell even what side of the bed they wake up on probably has an effect on the scores.

Pozz · « **Reply #54 on:** February 20, 2009, 04:37:46 PM »

when is this televised?

Walking E · « **Reply #55 on:** February 20, 2009, 04:46:10 PM »

What this also proves is that you don't need reactive equipment or fancy cores to score well.
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supernoodle · « **Reply #56 on:** February 20, 2009, 05:11:06 PM »

I remember doing some of my best bowling with a white & a yellow dot so it is possible. I think its just a case of the newer equipment allowing bowlers to be "Lazy" and not having to concentrate as much on the little things.

However its obvious they have put down a softer pattern and even though any "Real" bowler wanted to see them put out a longer/heavier/tougher pattern, I can see why they have not.

If they put down a hard pattern all the "Non Bowlers" will say that the Pro's are not that good and that they could do as well and may well stop watching. However if they put a condition down that allows the Pro's to bowl well whilst bowling with a "Similar" ball to what these "Non Bowlers" use then they can claim that this is why they are so much better than your average Joe.

Yes us bowlers (Unlike the uninitiated) know that the conditions are playing a bigger part than the balls, but we will still watch regardless of knowing this and the PBA needs to attract new viewers and they feel that they will not get this by making the so called "Best" look like a bunch of drunk students on a night out glow bowling.

Its a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. It will only really be possible to do what we want in such events when the public become more aware of the more subtle aspects of bowling and I am not sure that is ever going to happen.
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Joe Jr · « **Reply #57 on:** February 20, 2009, 05:12:54 PM »

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What this also proves is that you don't need reactive equipment or fancy cores to score well.
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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 20, 2009, 05:16:18 PM »

You don't need fancy equipment but then you wouldn't need so many different bowling companies that put out so many bowling balls.

Everybody has to make the next best new greatest thing ever.

As far as the shot what does it matter right now?

None of you are there watching it. So when the tv show comes around they may put out a hard shot.(doubt it)

If they do and these guys shoot 170 then would you all be happy? Bad bowling is bad bowling you can watch 170s anywhere. Lets be honest the one thing pros do is make spares. So less striking and more spares equals better bowling?

Flood the lanes front to back and throw plastic or rubber and it will look just like the tv shows years ago with everybody playing up 15 with no movement. If that is considered great bowling then so be it. But it is painful to watch and will kill the tv ratings. The bowlers will still shoot scores just like they did back then only it will be playing straighter.

Or put out the similar shot from years ago and watch todays players with more hand have more area and be able to score higher then many guys would have been able to years ago. Not all, but many.

Don Johnson 299, Straight up 15 or so with little to no hook

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETZOazHvdZg&feature=related

Mark Roth and why was he so popular? Cause he hooked the ball. He and Holman were the next big thing that were different from the previous bowlers such as Don Johnson. They were young and changed the game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea5pNG3bDM8

They changed the game which lead to the bowlers you see today. Now a lot of the young bowlers want to be who??? The next Tommy Jones. Same for golf and Tiger Woods. golfers are getting in better shape and working harder because so many younger people want to be the next great anything.
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Walking E · « **Reply #59 on:** February 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM »

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No it means the Pros don't reactive equipment to score well.
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To clarify:

The pros don't need reactive equipment to score GREAT. The rest of us don't need reactive equipment to score WELL.

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DanH78 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:30:27 AM »

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Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.

My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.

They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!

When are people going to realize that the PBA isn't marketing their product to the ballreviews.com type watcher? The person that takes bowling seriously is in the minority when compared to the amount of league bowlers there are in this country. And the serious bowler is going to watch no matter what.

Right now you have guys that have their $220 bowling ball, average 190 and pop off the occasional 240 game. They watch TV and see the pros scoring the same with the same equipment they use. Even though they aren't into the technical aspect, the 170-190 average bowler knows that they couldn't score as well with plastic. So what does the PBA do, they put a plastic ball in the hands of the best bowlers in the world so that they can show everyone sitting at home exactly how good they are.

With certain sports it's easy to show the difference between us and the pros. I can play baseball, but there's no way I'd be able to hit a 90 mph fastball more than 1 out of 100 (if even that many). I can drive a car, but I couldn't do 190mph for 4 hours being only inches from other cars. But as long as you have guys at the local bowling alley averaging 220 and the guys on TV are averaging 220, with the same equipment, people won't see the difference.

The PBA needs to expand their fanbase. And it isn't going to happen by lowering scores, having two guys in the booth discuss the technical side of drilling and lane play, etc. They might have a chance with things like trick shot competitions, gimmick tournaments and announcers having some fun.
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