Post by: chitown on February 19, 2009, 04:21:56 AM
I was really looking foward to this tourney. I thought it was going to be cool to see pro's having to use plastic and be forced to rely on accuracy. The scores shouldn't be that high!
I also noticed that Duke isn't bowling.
Post by: rockerbowler18 on February 19, 2009, 12:24:55 PM
Who's to say they're not being accurate?
If you're not there, you don't know.
Let me get this straight: You shoot high scores cuz you're good, but the pros shoot high scores cuz the lanes are walled up? Gimme a break.
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Post by: Z Jellsey on February 19, 2009, 12:30:00 PM
I don't recognize any score on China as "good bowling".
Post by: leftyinsnellville on February 19, 2009, 12:37:51 PM
And even if there was a "wall" I think that very few of the players would try to bounce a plastic ball off of it. We'll have to wait for the telecast, but I'm pretty sure that the majority of them are throwing a fairly straight shot.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on February 19, 2009, 01:05:44 PM
quote:It's a modified Cheetah, and they lowered the volume of the pattern (closer to the volume of oil used during the heyday of plastic) to compensate for using weaker equipment. The point of this tournament NEVER was to see who could grind out the best scores with plastic on today's heavier oil conditions...
Seriously, it's suppose to be the scorpion, and they are averaging higher with plastic than with their regular equipment? Something is not right. Why would any of them ever use their regular equipment again?
Post by: mmcfarland300 on February 19, 2009, 01:06:25 PM
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Seriously, it's suppose to be the scorpion, and they are averaging higher with plastic than with their regular equipment? Something is not right. Why would any of them ever use their regular equipment again?
Where are you looking for your information? It is on a modified Cheetah pattern. Furthermore did you really think the PBA would allow their bowlers to look bad?
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Post by: leftyinsnellville on February 19, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
Post by: pba300900 on February 19, 2009, 01:14:07 PM
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What was in my post worth saying "WOW" about?
Same here.
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Post by: Z Jellsey on February 19, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
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What was in my post worth saying "WOW" about?
Same here.
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Post by: los2003 on February 19, 2009, 01:16:17 PM
Post by: J_w73 on February 19, 2009, 01:17:22 PM
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I was really hoping they would have put down something comparable to the US Open shot. How great would that have been, plastic balls with a 40ft flat pattern!
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I was hoping that it was going to be that as well.. or a tough shot..
It's probably cause they don't want to show the pros possibly shooting below 190 on tv...
still... I'm pretty sure that most of the guys are making the ball move more on this condition than any of us can.. even if they are playing straight up..
why didn't they use the USBC pattern for this tourney and put down this shot.. or a super easy shot for the Ultimate Scoring Championship?
I think that would show how great they really are... if they could score with plastic on the condition that most bowlers find really challenging,.,..
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Post by: Z Jellsey on February 19, 2009, 01:19:30 PM
Give these guys a blended look with some hold and they will strike til you throw up. The wet dry cliff you see in league shots is actually pretty tough for the pros.
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Post by: DP3 on February 19, 2009, 01:20:50 PM
They're good, no matter what is out there or what they're using. I can't wait for US Open week to hear some of the "Gosh the exempter's suck ___ ________ is only averaging 195 on a flat pattern, I thought they were good? My sport shot average for my measley 3 game a week PBAX league is 185. They should be better than that."
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Post by: Z Jellsey on February 19, 2009, 01:22:27 PM
I drilled one of the balls they're throwing this week.
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on February 19, 2009, 01:23:29 PM
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Wow...
Who's to say they're not being accurate?
If you're not there, you don't know.
Let me get this straight: You shoot high scores cuz you're good, but the pros shoot high scores cuz the lanes are walled up? Gimme a break.
+1...what a ridiculous post...
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 19, 2009, 01:25:38 PM
Salvino
Weber
Anthony
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Don Johnson
Carter
Holman
Durbin
maybe 20 others and thats about it.
Post by: NoseofRI on February 19, 2009, 01:26:06 PM
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Typical pipe-dream wishing of the pros to have a bad week to make us feel better about our averages.
They're good, no matter what is out there or what they're using. I can't wait for US Open week to hear some of the "Gosh the exempter's suck ___ ________ is only averaging 195 on a flat pattern, I thought they were good? My sport shot average for my measley 3 game a week PBAX league is 185. They should be better than that."
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on February 19, 2009, 01:26:08 PM
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Typical pipe-dream wishing of the pros to have a bad week to make us feel better about our averages.
They're good, no matter what is out there or what they're using. I can't wait for US Open week to hear some of the "Gosh the exempter's suck ___ ________ is only averaging 195 on a flat pattern, I thought they were good? My sport shot average for my measley 3 game a week PBAX league is 185. They should be better than that."
Yawn.
+1 to that too...fans of most sports can be jerks sometimes...fans of bowling moreso than most...
Post by: Z Jellsey on February 19, 2009, 01:37:29 PM
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Post by: NoseofRI on February 19, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
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I finally had to ditch it, cracked out on me at the Dick Weber.
I drilled one of the balls they're throwing this week.quote:
Well said Mr. Jellsey.
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That sucks. But they were known for doing that as they are very hard and brittle. I do have some nice blue dots though....
As for your analysis on the pro's scores I agree. Without a doubt the shot out there is tougher than these people think. Just one thought though, the shot is not going to change anywhere near as much as usual throwing nothing but plastic. So once their lined up, their needed adjustments will be minimal.
The carry down is probably what'll hurt the "straighter" guys the most.
Post by: TheGame300 on February 19, 2009, 02:10:34 PM
That is what is amazing about the scores. I figured they could find a shot, I am amazed they are carrying that well. Does that ball have a core or something............
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Post by: on February 19, 2009, 02:47:54 PM
I hear you about using plastic on a house shot. I bowl on older wooden lanes with a THS and have had some good nights using plastic. One of my teammates shot 279 using a white dot and only left a ring 10.
The lane has to give you some help. I mean if you oil them flat 40' to 45' feet its is gonna be hard to get them to wrinkle.
But give the pros props as I have seen guys in regionals use white dots, blue dots and make the shot look easy. So, do the pros have skills....Yes they do!
Post by: BVF420 on February 19, 2009, 02:56:56 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on February 19, 2009, 03:07:02 PM
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This tournament shows how much money is wasted on bowling technology. The cores are too strong. The covers are too strong. Bowling centers have to put too much oil down so clowns can throw their Snow-chains/R particle with the revinator core. The game of bowling is simple, the best in the world will score regardless of what is out there. Just think how much money a bowling center could save if they didn't have to flood the lanes every night to protect them from the overly porous and particle coverstocks (and to keep your egos up)and people actually had to learn how to create hook again. And to think that these guys aren't good enough to average 230+ just because they are throwing plastic is utterly moronic. They are used to only having 2-3 boards to hit. Heck, in some cases the plastic ball might be easier to read.
THANK GOD! I was beginning to think I was the last one left that felt this way.
To me it always seemed that bowling was something one should have to learn how to do, not be able to buy 80% of it in a box. I've been throwing old school regular urethane on our THS and averaging over 220.
P.S. Back in the "old days", I averaged over 200 with a yellow dot. That's soft, but it is also plastic.
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Post by: stormfanken on February 19, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
Post by: Kid Jete on February 19, 2009, 03:12:47 PM
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You are starting to sound like a disgruntled hack that couldn't make it on the tour... oh wait, woops.
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Post by: Brian362 on February 19, 2009, 03:19:19 PM
Post by: Z Jellsey on February 19, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
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i like this tournament because all the pros are using the same equipment...regardless of what it is made of....regardless of oil pattern. it's new, and different. give it a chance.
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Post by: MVbowler on February 19, 2009, 04:38:57 PM
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I was really hoping they would have put down something comparable to the US Open shot. How great would that have been, plastic balls with a 40ft flat pattern!
It has been on the PBA website all year that it would be on the cheetah pattern. It's no new news... i want to see all you whiners go out with 2 plastic balls that are handed to you at the start of a tourney and thats all your allowed to use for the whole tourney. On ANY pattern.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on February 19, 2009, 05:05:51 PM
It's painful to watch bowling when they can't score 200+.If you don't think so, think of how you react when you bowl a team of five 150 averaged bowlers. First thought is #$@% its going to be a long night. Not man I hope they put a difficult shot out and lets see if these 150 bowlers can step up and spare.
Anybody who has bowled with professionals know they are good and when given the chance will score on anything. They will take you onto a unlevel parking lot setup pins and own you 9 out of 10 times. Don't fool yourself otherwise.
There is a reason bowling is dead on tv and not growing in bowling centers across the U.S. It is because of other bowlers and this kind of junk. Promote the game not talk bad about it whenever possible. Because others see that and choose other sports.
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Post by: J_w73 on February 19, 2009, 05:21:54 PM
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i like this tournament because all the pros are using the same equipment...regardless of what it is made of....regardless of oil pattern. it's new, and different. give it a chance.
I like that part of it but I still wish they had to use the same equipment on a really tough condition.
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Post by: stealth on February 19, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
Post by: J_w73 on February 19, 2009, 05:31:57 PM
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This tournament shows how much money is wasted on bowling technology. The cores are too strong. The covers are too strong. Bowling centers have to put too much oil down so clowns can throw their Snow-chains/R particle with the revinator core. The game of bowling is simple, the best in the world will score regardless of what is out there. Just think how much money a bowling center could save if they didn't have to flood the lanes every night to protect them from the overly porous and particle coverstocks (and to keep your egos up)and people actually had to learn how to create hook again. And to think that these guys aren't good enough to average 230+ just because they are throwing plastic is utterly moronic. They are used to only having 2-3 boards to hit. Heck, in some cases the plastic ball might be easier to read.
THANK GOD! I was beginning to think I was the last one left that felt this way.
To me it always seemed that bowling was something one should have to learn how to do, not be able to buy 80% of it in a box. I've been throwing old school regular urethane on our THS and averaging over 220.
P.S. Back in the "old days", I averaged over 200 with a yellow dot. That's soft, but it is also plastic.
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If you want to bring the scores down and put accurancy and consistancy back into it then they need to start putting less oil down.. just have the 3units to make it legal... which is nothing.
or less oil in the front and more oil in the back. That will take the spray and pray out of the game.
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Post by: Locke on February 19, 2009, 05:39:21 PM
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What did you want to see? Heavy volume for plastic? Would you be happier if they would be shooting 120's.Obviously they are going to put out a scorable shot.Maybe they should strip the lanes dry and make them use shiny resin.
I threw on stripped lanes a while back. It makes for interesting shooting. I liked the loft 40 ft approach. It was fun it would land 40 ft down bounce twice and make a 90* left hand turn. That would be some good tv!
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Post by: J_w73 on February 19, 2009, 05:40:58 PM
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What did you want to see? Heavy volume for plastic? Would you be happier if they would be shooting 120's.Obviously they are going to put out a scorable shot.Maybe they should strip the lanes dry and make them use shiny resin.
I guess we don't know the shot but I would like to see a flat pattern with no wall and heavy oil up front, decent length and some decent dry at the backend... maybe even flooded outside from the estimated breakpoint.
I think if you went straight at the pocket from the corner you should be able to get more than 120.. pros should still be in the low 200's.. I think that would have really let the person that hit his mark, speed, release, and breakpoint win. There would be some risk reward also.. do you want to crank it and swing it for the better entry angle and risk hitting the outside flood.. or play a straighter angle at the pocket and risk leaving corners all day.
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Post by: actsbowler21 on February 19, 2009, 09:41:39 PM
Sure it's a gimmick event, but it's an event nonetheless.. It is what it is. If you were expecting the scores to be low, that's on you.. that's not the PBA's fault or not the player's fault. It's your fault for having expectations and trying to predict an outcome. (sarcasm on)I'm sure in the planning sessions, the directors got together and said "let's put an event out there that everyone is going to expect these guys to average 200 for the lead and then when the day comes, let's break their hearts and have a score-fest." (sarcasm off)
There are tougher events for the pros. Those are called majors (with the exception of the scoring pace of the ToC this year). Want to see them bowl on something they will probably struggle on, don't follow the PBA until the U.S. Open, because until then, they are probably going to continue to tear these patterns apart. Even if you give them a golf ball to throw down there..someone will find a way to score, that's their job. Their job is not to struggle for your benefit of seeing them struggle.
If you want the PBA to have a low scoring tournament, you should petition the owners to have a Non-Card Holding League Bowlers PBA Experience Open. Or call it the House Hack Open for all I care, then you won't see people bowling for their careers and lives out there.
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Post by: trash heap on February 19, 2009, 10:35:42 PM
I would agree with you on that its a tournament to even the playing field. However the talk was there.....
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While some fans and experts expect experienced players who had success in the plastic ball era such as Pete Weber to rise to the top, others lean towards accurate players who have succeeded in many eras such as Walter Ray Williams Jr. and Parker Bohn III, while some think younger players with incredibly high revolution rates such as Tommy Jones will excel.
I think the PBA new the outcome. If you look at the top after block 2, its pretty much your high rev players.
I really hope they keep this tournament around. I think its important to the Sport of Bowling. Maybe tweak the pattern a little (not much).
Post by: actsbowler21 on February 19, 2009, 10:55:03 PM
I remember reading that statement before, they basically covered all the types of bowlers out there at that point, guys who have succeeded with all phases of equipment changes, to the deadly accurate, to the heavy hand power players..It was outlined that every one had a chance, and if you look at the standings, every style is in there.. Boomers, Strokers, Left, Right, Two Hands, Voodoo Roll, Plastic ball up 5, Rockets to the Pocket..
This is what we should be proud of, not worrying about the scoring pace, but the types of bowlers we have a chance to see..if one style dominated, it would be something to throw a fit about. But all types of players made it, but alas, I forget, the integrity of the game is in danger. Soon Peter Gammons is going to interview Walter Ray Williams and uncover that he has done some illegal stuff in the sport and then we'll finally share the spot light with the other major sports, which is everyone's goal here. Then, maybe then, people here will stop complaining EVERY SINGLE WEEK, about something to do with the PBA..
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Post by: kidlost2000 on February 20, 2009, 12:11:48 AM
Man I would be pissed if I showed up to work and had a bunch of donkeys complaining that my job needs to be harder.
Considering everyone is complaining about the technology and how bad it is why aren't they all averaging 225+??? Because no matter what you still have to spare and adjust to the lane conditions. The equipment may help more people get higher scores quicker you won't average 210+ if you can't adjust and spare.
Whats this stuff about a level playing field??? Is there guys on tour only throwing urethane cause they can't afford new equipment? From what I can tell they can all afford the equipment free or otherwise and with 3 companies (ebonite, brunswick, storm) having a part in everything thrown on tour I don't see them having a equipment disadvantage.
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Post by: actsbowler21 on February 20, 2009, 09:55:26 AM
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Whats this stuff about a level playing field??? Is there guys on tour only throwing urethane cause they can't afford new equipment? From what I can tell they can all afford the equipment free or otherwise and with 3 companies (ebonite, brunswick, storm) having a part in everything thrown on tour I don't see them having a equipment disadvantage.
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That is I believe you are wrong. It's not that everyone can't afford the equipment out there, it's the guys not under any type of contract that don't get equipment handed to them vs. the guys that do, the guys that don't have to pay drilling fees on the truck because the company covers it for them vs. the guys who have to pay everything out of pocket, etc. While everyone can afford the equipment, the playing field is not leveled when one guy can struggle the first block and have his rep put the right tools in his hand, while another who struggles may seek the advice of a rep but has to shell out all of the expenses. That then leads to some second guessing as far as purchasing balls out there..
That is from a conversation I had with a friend who is exempt out there and one who chases the PTQ's. One is under contract with a company while the other isn't..Ironically in this situation the one not under contract is having a good year while the one that is signed is struggling. Both say that's the way it is out there for some guys.
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Post by: NoseofRI on February 20, 2009, 12:49:24 PM
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I threw on stripped lanes a while back. It makes for interesting shooting. I liked the loft 40 ft approach. It was fun it would land 40 ft down bounce twice and make a 90* left hand turn. That would be some good tv!
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Sorry to sink your ship with this, but this is a perfect way to actually destroy the lane surface... not so much the 40ft loft but the actually just throwing shots on a fully stripped lane.
Post by: chitown on February 20, 2009, 04:02:35 PM
My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.
They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!
Post by: J_w73 on February 20, 2009, 04:18:31 PM
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Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.
My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.
They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!
I agree chitown ... could have done it up alot better. PBA definately has an agenda.. I just don't know what it is...not sure if they do either.
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Post by: renoatpikeville on February 20, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
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Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.
My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.
They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!
You forget all the traffic that the pattern has to endure, 64 guys throwing most likely sanded plastic balls on a lower volume pattern...these guys are good! With the number of guys out there they can manipulate the pattern and blow it wide open. Plus lane surface, humidity, previously stated volume of oil, hell even what side of the bed they wake up on probably has an effect on the scores.
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Post by: supernoodle on February 20, 2009, 05:11:06 PM
However its obvious they have put down a softer pattern and even though any "Real" bowler wanted to see them put out a longer/heavier/tougher pattern, I can see why they have not.
If they put down a hard pattern all the "Non Bowlers" will say that the Pro's are not that good and that they could do as well and may well stop watching. However if they put a condition down that allows the Pro's to bowl well whilst bowling with a "Similar" ball to what these "Non Bowlers" use then they can claim that this is why they are so much better than your average Joe.
Yes us bowlers (Unlike the uninitiated) know that the conditions are playing a bigger part than the balls, but we will still watch regardless of knowing this and the PBA needs to attract new viewers and they feel that they will not get this by making the so called "Best" look like a bunch of drunk students on a night out glow bowling.
Its a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. It will only really be possible to do what we want in such events when the public become more aware of the more subtle aspects of bowling and I am not sure that is ever going to happen.
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Post by: Joe Jr on February 20, 2009, 05:12:54 PM
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Post by: kidlost2000 on February 20, 2009, 05:16:18 PM
Everybody has to make the next best new greatest thing ever.
As far as the shot what does it matter right now?
None of you are there watching it. So when the tv show comes around they may put out a hard shot.(doubt it)
If they do and these guys shoot 170 then would you all be happy? Bad bowling is bad bowling you can watch 170s anywhere. Lets be honest the one thing pros do is make spares. So less striking and more spares equals better bowling?
Flood the lanes front to back and throw plastic or rubber and it will look just like the tv shows years ago with everybody playing up 15 with no movement. If that is considered great bowling then so be it. But it is painful to watch and will kill the tv ratings. The bowlers will still shoot scores just like they did back then only it will be playing straighter.
Or put out the similar shot from years ago and watch todays players with more hand have more area and be able to score higher then many guys would have been able to years ago. Not all, but many.
Don Johnson 299, Straight up 15 or so with little to no hook
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They changed the game which lead to the bowlers you see today. Now a lot of the young bowlers want to be who??? The next Tommy Jones. Same for golf and Tiger Woods. golfers are getting in better shape and working harder because so many younger people want to be the next great anything.
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Post by: Walking E on February 20, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
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Post by: DanH78 on February 21, 2009, 10:30:27 AM
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Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.
My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.
They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!
When are people going to realize that the PBA isn't marketing their product to the ballreviews.com type watcher? The person that takes bowling seriously is in the minority when compared to the amount of league bowlers there are in this country. And the serious bowler is going to watch no matter what.
Right now you have guys that have their $220 bowling ball, average 190 and pop off the occasional 240 game. They watch TV and see the pros scoring the same with the same equipment they use. Even though they aren't into the technical aspect, the 170-190 average bowler knows that they couldn't score as well with plastic. So what does the PBA do, they put a plastic ball in the hands of the best bowlers in the world so that they can show everyone sitting at home exactly how good they are.
With certain sports it's easy to show the difference between us and the pros. I can play baseball, but there's no way I'd be able to hit a 90 mph fastball more than 1 out of 100 (if even that many). I can drive a car, but I couldn't do 190mph for 4 hours being only inches from other cars. But as long as you have guys at the local bowling alley averaging 220 and the guys on TV are averaging 220, with the same equipment, people won't see the difference.
The PBA needs to expand their fanbase. And it isn't going to happen by lowering scores, having two guys in the booth discuss the technical side of drilling and lane play, etc. They might have a chance with things like trick shot competitions, gimmick tournaments and announcers having some fun.
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Post by: chitown on February 21, 2009, 10:58:10 AM
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Guys the PBA players are obviously very good. They bowl for a living and should be good with the amount of games they bowl per week.
My beef is with this particular tourney. I was really hoping the PBA would put out a tough shot so the pro's would have to rely on accuracy to do well. The scores show that this is not the case.
They could of put out a tough shot which would of made this a far more interesting tourney. This was by far the most anticipated tourney this season and they blew it!
You forget all the traffic that the pattern has to endure, 64 guys throwing most likely sanded plastic balls on a lower volume pattern...these guys are good! With the number of guys out there they can manipulate the pattern and blow it wide open. Plus lane surface, humidity, previously stated volume of oil, hell even what side of the bed they wake up on probably has an effect on the scores.
The PBA could of put out a tough pattern and they didn't. They altered the pattern their using for this tourney to allow for higher scores. They should of made the pro-'s grind it out and make it so accuracy is needed to score.
Post by: chitown on February 21, 2009, 11:00:05 AM
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What this also proves is that you don't need reactive equipment or fancy cores to score well.
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Only if your bowling on drier lanes. Plastic is not going to work on heavier oil. The only reason the pro's are scoring with plastic is because the lanes are dry. Try scoring with a plastic ball on a 42' heavy flat pattern.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on February 22, 2009, 08:34:25 AM
I think it is cool that they took the ball out of the equation and made it equal across the field for one show. This has been the one show I have been the most excited to see.
Major props to the PBA for trying new things this year. Not all experiments have been a success (ultimate scoring), but this one you have to admit was a great idea.
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Post by: tburky on February 22, 2009, 08:38:15 AM
Post by: themagician on February 22, 2009, 09:15:56 AM
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A majority of the people who posted on here says the pba walled the lanes. When does a 2 to 1 sport compliant shot constitute walled up lanes? I would would like to hear answers to this one.
I agree completely, the Pro's executed extremely well all week on a demanding condition with lesser equipment, I don't understand why everyone is complaining, they just showed you they can do it on anything with anything.
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