General Category => PBA => Topic started by: Wilbert on February 27, 2011, 04:43:55 AM
Title: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Wilbert on February 27, 2011, 04:43:55 AM
The reaction is different between Sat night and today. They have a couple of boards of swing today. They burned a shot into the lanes with the practice prior to TV. To keep the condition intact, they should limit practice of the TV lanes.
Edited by Wilbert on 2/27/2011 at 2:06 PM
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: stealth on February 27, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
And you know this because you bowled on them?
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Effybowler on February 27, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
Can people honestly not be happy with the PBA? All I ever see is people complaining about the way they run things. Wasn't it just earlier this season people were complaining here on BR about the scoring being too low on shark? How it was no fun to watch?
2 things:
I'd rather see them burn up the pair and make them easier so scores are higher, its better for TV. Also when it comes down to it, both players are bowling on the same pair of lanes regardless of if they are easy or hard, and its that way for every match. What you can do to make the lanes easier in practice is just a big a part of scoring well as throwing the ball great. Practice break down is no different in my mind than football players and coaches watching film on the other team. They are utilizing all the tools they can to make the game easier for themselves. As long as both players have access to it, its fine.
Also, if you're not out there bowling the tournament (which correct me if I'm wrong here, but you weren't), then mind your own business and enjoy people who are hundreds of times better than you bowling on TV while you debate about which ball you need to buy this week to suddenly conquer your walled up house shot better.
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: raven796 on February 27, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
Well said Effy!!
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: kidlost2000 on February 27, 2011, 02:05:17 PM
Good show. The first match sucked because the camera personal appeared to be hungover and had no idea what they were shooting.
I guess the hangovers went away after that because the rest of the show was fine.
Not a big fan of the PBA attempts at television the past two years and the constant format changes. Today was actually a good show.
Be good, or be good at it.
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Wilbert on February 27, 2011, 04:15:31 PM
For those who can not see the difference in ball reaction, even Randy Peterson said the practice created some area. For those who like to see the show with the "modified" condition that is your preference. I want to see them bowl on the condition that was laid out during the week. Limiting the practice and maintaining the condition, gets you close to how it was during the week. I don't need scores. If you want scores, just wall them up for TV and forget what the players had to go through to get on TV.
Edited by Wilbert on 2/27/2011 at 7:58 PM
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 27, 2011, 05:45:59 PM
From what I could tell, it looked like when Mika missed a pinch right of target, the ball still read the condition and made it back into the poscket. Tommy even made a comment to the ball rep during commercial break that Mika had more ball reaction "farther right".
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Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: The Dreaded Durbin on February 27, 2011, 06:48:50 PM
They were so wide open that Tommy Jones had 150. Some people should just keep their thoughts to themselves so they do not look so stupid.
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Russell on February 27, 2011, 07:03:11 PM
Those of you that think Mika did't have a little room right of target are apparently smarter than Tommy Jones and his ball rep.
Same s**t different week...wah wah b**ch b**ch about how the PBA isn't doing exactly what you want. GO drill some new hook in the box and tell everyone you're as good as TJ because you shot 150 once on a modified house shot.
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Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Xx 12 X 300 xX on February 27, 2011, 07:24:04 PM
I was there all week and the pattern pretty much played the same way on TV as it did during the week. There was about a half board, to a board of room right if you had the ball speed and rev rate matched up for the pattern. Now this didn't mean you would strike, you would at least hit the head pin and hope for something you could make.
Like on the TV show, if you got it a tad bit right it was a strike or some kind of swishing spare. If it was about a board right you either went 2-8-10 or something worse.
No matter how much they bowled on the lanes, it never opened up to where you had 2 or 3 boards and you knew you were going to strike. If it opened up a board or a board and a half you were lucky, and you were glad you got a strike off of those errant shots.
The television show was not "open" or at all very different or modified from how the lanes played during the entire week.
People seem to think that because they were "hard" that you can not score on them and that higher scores on TV meant that the lanes must of been easy. There were many many good games during the tournament. Good shot making, gave you good scoring opportunities. Just because the scores and shot making were at times good on TV, does not at all mean they were EASY.
It's not like nobody bowled a 240+ game the entire tournament and then all of a sudden the guys on TV whacked them.
Edited by Xx 12 X 300 xX on 2/27/2011 at 8:28 PM
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: se7en on February 28, 2011, 05:59:02 AM
You also want to factor in the lights from the TV crew, and the fact that Carolier plays differently from section to section since it's a multi-tiered house with varying characteristics. They had the TV pairs sectioned off to prep for a good while too.
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Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Locke on February 28, 2011, 06:46:04 AM
You forgot also that the tide was going out and Venus is in retrograde. That makes the shot a lot easier. The PBA should know better than to have them bowl then. It is just too easy. First, do you think they are just thrown out on the pattern cold during the week? And if you think them getting to practice on the pair before shooting is so bad maybe you should stop practicing at your league. I mean if you think the pros shouldn't do it why are you eager to?
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Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Trudell on February 28, 2011, 06:54:51 AM
I believe the tv pair was 5 and 6. I could be wrong though but it was still the low end of the house. I bowled the open and finished poorly yet had my better games at this end of the house. I had a 225 and 247 on the lower end. Like what was said before is carolier has different characteristics through the house. The bottom section was a lot tighter after a few games and you needed to adjust your feet back to the middle of the lane and keep your target in front of you. Practicing and burning lines up doesnt mean there going to open up all that much. Also there were two guys that tied for the cut and had to have a roll off. Final score of the roll off was 257-238. Those are huge numbers at that time and for the pair 63-64.
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Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Xx 12 X 300 xX on February 28, 2011, 08:41:47 AM
The building is a nightmare when it comes to how the lanes play in each bay. If you do not know, Carolier is an 82 lane center. The higher end of the center was/is built on swamp type land and plays totally different than the lower end what was the original house. I might be wrong, but I do believe there is a parking/storage garage under parts of the center as well. So this plays a part in how the center plays from bay to bay. I might be wrong about the parking garage, thinking of another center. Somebody might be able to chime in on this.
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: PJM300 on February 28, 2011, 09:31:41 AM
In my opinion,
They should make qualifying tough, absolutely, but for the tv show, YES absolutley open them up. The viewer at home does not want to see a pro shoot 150. This is really a sad situation but would probably boost bowling ratings, the PBA does not have to say they do this if they did. When a pro shoots 100 or 150 on tv, the viewer at home who is a once a week bowler is in awe because he bowls that and loses respect and doesnt watch again because hes not seeing anything he hasnt done. Also to boost the sport get rid of the signs in the audience, it works for Vince McMahon but not bowling, also the guy in the green suit in the audience, what was that. In its hayday when bowling was on ABC the audience was more respectful, maybe just changing of times. Also get rid of the damn HAMBONE rob stone
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Dan Belcher on February 28, 2011, 11:57:20 AM
What? Do you ever watch ANY other sporting events? There are people holding signs and guys dressed in green suits at every single sporting event in the world! Football, basketball, baseball, hockey, auto racing...
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: PJM300 on February 28, 2011, 04:23:54 PM
Im just saying no one wants to see the 150 on tv, period, that is why the PBA is a sinking ship, yes I am showing signs of my age and knowledge, What do u think is keeping bowling centers alive today, the common or casual bowler who doesnt know about PAP, Suface adjustments, hand adjustments. As far as respecting the sport, I do more than you know, the problem is with things like the Machuga flop, that was the dumbest thing Ive seen ever, then there were probably people like you that tried it. If I am what is wrong with the PBA why dont we go bowl on and pattern of your choice and see who respects who after, as stated I said in my opinion, you took that as a insult to you I guess and yous stand left shoot right idea of bowling. And yes how is golf doing without tiger woods playing well, its in the toilet. Give him back his hoes and watch the ratings rise.
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Russell on February 28, 2011, 08:24:54 PM
+1
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Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Xx 12 X 300 xX on February 28, 2011, 09:01:48 PM
Another +1. I am glad this PMJ's opinion is not the of most people who watch the pba, or the pba itself. It's THE PROFESSIONAL BOWLERS ASSOCIATION.
It's supposed to mean something to be a professional, and there is supposed to be a level of difficultly involved.
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Effybowler on February 28, 2011, 11:03:16 PM
so are the last couple posters saying they shouldn't be given time to open them up? just because they would make scores higher?
How does it affect the outcome of the actual matches as they are being played on television? Is the extra practice going to change who is going to win compared to not having the practice? Only if one person is better at breaking down the lanes than the other. Both people involved in the match have equal access to the lanes to break them down, and have no restrictions on what they can do in that practice. If they wanna throw 360grit soaker covers up the 7 board to burn a spot in, then so be it, they both can do it. I have a friend and former coach that got 6th in the masters a few years ago that bowled a match against Tommy Jones, and in the first 8 of the 10 minutes of practice, TJ did nothing but throw plastic from left to right at the 6 pin to try and drag oil down lane creating hold area for himself. At this level of the sport, utilizing every method available to make the lanes more favorable is a skill you must utilize to be successful.
So, in my mind the extra practice time available on the pair is fair to all players that have to bowl on it, and it should just make both players score higher, and make the match more entertaining to watch. I don't see the negative.
Title: Re: They opened up the lanes at the US Open
Post by: Effybowler on February 28, 2011, 11:07:02 PM
There is a level of difficulty. Its called beating the other 390 people for 50 games to get to the top 6 so you can even be on the show. There should be no doubt that the people on the show are extraordinary bowlers whether they bowl 150s or 280s.