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nd300

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This weeks show....
« on: November 08, 2009, 03:27:42 AM »
I tune in to watch bowling,not a recap of the entire qualifying tournament!!!!!!! I could care less how they got there. This is stupid. No wonder the PBA is losing viewers and support from the general public.
 Definitely not like the hey days of the old Saturday afternoon telecasts. Idiots...............
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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2009, 06:37:05 PM »
This was a TERRIFIC show!!!

+1 to Eaglehunter and sevenpin above.
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« Reply #77 on: November 09, 2009, 07:59:48 PM »
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This is exactly what the PBA would want. For everyone to be talking about the show afterwards. The reason Tom Clark does these things is for attention.

I personally liked the whole backstory to the tournament, but it felt pointless to have the finals like that. Not having a televised final with a crowd took a lot of excitement. Overall i felt it was a great concept in theory but the lack of the telecast final (already taped or not) just killed it for me.


Please tell me you didn''''t just write the stupidest thing ever written by a human hand.  Oh wait, I had to wade through several Stan and Joe Falco comments.  The guy can''''t fathom anything that isn''''t ten frames live.  Somebody please mash my bananas for me.

Yes, it kinda was what the PBA wants, ya think?  The whole point of doing anything is to get attention.  Attention translates to ratings, media, sponsors, new bowlers, new viewers, keeping the doors open.

This is bowling on television presenting a year-long package with many things to appeal to many fans.  We all know that several of you would rather lose a limb than to ever watch anything that isn''''t exactly the same as it was 50 years ago.  Make your one comment and be done, please let the next generation enjoy the sport.

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JOE FALCO

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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #78 on: November 09, 2009, 09:52:27 PM »
It's all yours .. ENJOY!
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Dave_in_Rio_Rancho

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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 10:13:49 PM »
The good news - bowling is alive and well at the High School level which should equate to more future bowlers.

The bad news - the PBA does everything but "honor the sport". It's about the bowlers and the game stupid.

I have never had much faith in "investor groups" that buy organizations - they never seem to "get it" on what they have purchased.

I do hope to continue to bowl, and enjoy bowling - whether it is the PBA (too small with too few bowlers to survive)) & USBC (too big with too much overhead to survive) or otherwise.
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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #80 on: November 09, 2009, 10:21:00 PM »
Show was set up like this because of the tounament format. It was a seven game match all the way through instead of single game elimination for the final four or five. I rather liked it. I got bowlers insight into what they were thinking and when  they made mistakes. There is no way they could have accomodted a possilble 28 games for the final four bowlers on t.v. Only other option would have been to show the whole match between Duke and Ciminelli.
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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #81 on: November 10, 2009, 05:38:32 AM »
I didn't read all of the posts, so I apologize if I parrot anyone:

How is taking a sporting event and turning it into a documentary going to win viewership? A documentary would only appeal to hardcore pba fans. And I don't think that's what they want. Also was kenny even there or did he do a voice over at Bristol? Sad.
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stopncrank

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« Reply #82 on: November 10, 2009, 06:30:31 AM »
Where do i start here? Ok, so your ok with Rob Stone? Let me put it this way, a couple years ago when Dennis Miller was brought in on some football telecasts, ALOT of people didnt like it because it just didnt work. Miller knew very little about football, and just tried to improvise by cracking jokes. People wanted to watch football, not Comedy Central. And here again, is it that hard for commentators to learn about what they are commenting on? If i dont know anything about my current job, my employer surely isnt gonna hire me to do a job i know nothing about. I guess when you accept mediocre talent, shows, etc., you get where we are today, thats why bowling is headed where it is. It's not as bad as it could be, but it's not as good as it could be either.

Turn on any other major sport, Golf, Boxing, MMA, every single commentator on the shows knows about the game they are commentating. How long you think a commentator would last on a Golf telecast if he started making up his own words for a hole in one, or a long drive?? About as long as it would take to change the channel.

"Personal opinion here, but I bet this goes for quite a few other people in th under-30 crowd: Chris Schenkel and Bo Burton bored. me. to. death. Likewise with Marshall Holman. Just because you used to bowl doesn't mean you can keep me interested when the match is dull, or help further build the excitement and tense nervousness in a close match. And not to mention the older guys don't necessarily know today's game. Case in point, the extended argument of plastic vs. resin when shooting spares that Bo and Marshall gave us during a women's match a year or so ago."


You say Marshall doesnt know today's game of resin? His last title was in 1996 and he was using a Red Pulse, thats a reactive ball right??? And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season.You say just because they used to bowl doesnt mean they can keep you interested?? Well just because Rob Stone gets paid by ESPN to commentate doesnt mean he's great and can keep me interested either.
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JOE FALCO

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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #83 on: November 10, 2009, 07:22:46 AM »
BINGO!
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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #84 on: November 10, 2009, 07:47:17 AM »
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How is taking a sporting event and turning it into a documentary going to win viewership? A documentary would only appeal to hardcore pba fans. And I don't think that's what they want. Also was kenny even there or did he do a voice over at Bristol? Sad.


Do you think the current viewership of the PBA tour is anything but hardcore bowling fans?

As a hardcore bowling fan, I will watch whatever the PBA puts out there because I am interested in it.  My wife could care less about bowling, but even she found the show interesting.

A documentary does not appeal to ONLY the hardcore fans.  By its nature, a documentary is an attempt to educate those viewing it about the topic.  Now, will this show by itself lead non-hardcore fans to start flocking to watch the show?  Most likely not.  

However, if you are NOT a bowler, this show would seem far more interesting than watching guys you don't know throwing balls down the lane for an hour and a half.  Do people watch "The Biggest Loser" because watching ridiculous weight-loss is great TV?  Are people really watching "American Idol" for the great singing?  The hardcore fans may be...but the general public watches for the reality show portion and the back stories.

This show was nothing like the regular PBA show, which appeals to hardcore bowlers only.  It seems to have been an attempt to attract the non-hardcore viewer.  It may have been an even bigger attempt to educate the general public, not the mention some of the not-as-educated bowling public, about what the PBA stars go through on a weekly basis.

Will this show change the game?  Not likely.  But what if it leads to a half-hour lead-in to the regular show?  Perhaps such a lead-in would lead to increased viewership, as those tuning in would like to see how the reality show played out?  Reality TV, regardless of how ridiculous or poor it is, is where TV is going these days.  If the PBA has any chance of staying on the air, or in existence, it needs to do the same.  This could be a step in that direction.
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crispusattucks

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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #85 on: November 10, 2009, 09:28:31 AM »
BINGO!  I won''t attempt to use a bigger font to echo a previous point.  Oh, wait, the immortal

JOE FALCO

is reading, better make it big, use Comic Sans and add some color, maybe 2 exclamation points would really drive my agreement home.  Hope Joe doesn''t sizzle me with his Ricky Ricardo humor.

BINGO!!

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JOE FALCO

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« Reply #86 on: November 10, 2009, 11:16:43 AM »
Must be terrible to be HATEFUL (Emphasis)!
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Bill Thomas

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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #87 on: November 10, 2009, 11:34:58 AM »
Took an informal poll this a.m. at our weekly scotch doubles event which is made up mostly of senior bowlers all of whom take the sport seriously.  Could not find anyone who saw the show that had anything bad to say about it.  Most thought it was a pleasant change from the regular format.  Maybe its the younger crowd who can't accept any kind of change.
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« Reply #88 on: November 10, 2009, 11:55:50 AM »
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You say Marshall doesnt know today's game of resin? His last title was in 1996 and he was using a Red Pulse, thats a reactive ball right??? And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season.
And in 1996 people still also used stretched spans and 3/8" reverse for almost everyone.  The game has changed quite a bit in 13 years.  If nothing else, the approaches and releases used by some of the younger guys on tour is pretty different from what was used in the early to mid 90s.  A lot less hit at the bottom, a lot more using the ball's weight and momentum to create the revs.  Stuff like that.  I never said Marshall Holman is clueless about today's game.  I meant that he doesn't know the absolute ins and outs of the sport now compared to what he would have known 15 years ago when he was still engrossed in it.  Does that make sense?
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JOE FALCO

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« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2009, 12:11:39 PM »
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And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season


Sounds like he might know a little bit about todays bowling!
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Re: This weeks show....
« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2009, 12:14:44 PM »
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You say Marshall doesnt know today's game of resin? His last title was in 1996 and he was using a Red Pulse, thats a reactive ball right??? And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season.
And in 1996 people still also used stretched spans and 3/8" reverse for almost everyone.  The game has changed quite a bit in 13 years.  If nothing else, the approaches and releases used by some of the younger guys on tour is pretty different from what was used in the early to mid 90s.  A lot less hit at the bottom, a lot more using the ball's weight and momentum to create the revs.  Stuff like that.  I never said Marshall Holman is clueless about today's game.  I meant that he doesn't know the absolute ins and outs of the sport now compared to what he would have known 15 years ago when he was still engrossed in it.  Does that make sense?


just like im sure the game has changed even since Randy has been off the tour Right??? So by your theory, Randy shouldnt be commentating either since he no longer bowls and the game has changed since he was on tour...your argument makes no sense because the game changes EVERY year. I'd much rather have guys like Randy and Marshall who have actually thrown a ball to make a living at it than some guy who just gets paid to talk about something they know nothing about. If thats the requirements for a commentating job, then any Joe Blow can work for ESPN lol. How hard would it be to have a few current exempt players who dont make the finals fill in every week?
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