Post by: nd300 on November 08, 2009, 03:27:42 AM
Definitely not like the hey days of the old Saturday afternoon telecasts. Idiots...............
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Post by: J_Mac on November 08, 2009, 11:51:20 AM
You have a right to your opinion, but at least the PBA is trying and isn't going to die doing the same thing ad nauseam.
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Post by: bigearv14 on November 08, 2009, 11:55:17 AM
I do see how it could get old...we'll see what happens!
Post by: bigearv14 on November 08, 2009, 12:04:22 PM
Post by: Ceo of DcYg bowling club on November 08, 2009, 12:08:25 PM
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Let me rephrase that...I liked seeing them on the TV format.
I do too. I'm not really feeling the way its ending. I thought we would see a little recap and the show, not feeling this full hour of a documentary.
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Post by: tc300 on November 08, 2009, 12:21:29 PM
WTF PBA???!!!!!?????
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Post by: cheech on November 08, 2009, 12:26:17 PM
i wish they wouldve taken the first half hour and summarized the tournament then have the last hour like the regular show with the semi finals and final
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Post by: Kid Jete on November 08, 2009, 12:31:31 PM
Post by: kingpin268 on November 08, 2009, 12:33:05 PM
It sounded like they recapped the tournament qualifying in sunday's show but in the last match, they said Norm won his 33rd title??? I thought this was the path to get to tv, not the actual championship match? If so, the PBA does not look professional anymore. It's nice to get insight of the pros but the way they went about it made it seem very unprofessional.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on November 08, 2009, 12:34:06 PM
Plus, a best of 7 match isn't that great on TV unless it goes 7. Especially if its a 4-0 blowout where one guy is striking and the other has a terrible look.
Post by: Kid Jete on November 08, 2009, 12:35:30 PM
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I don''t even know what happened???
It sounded like they recapped the tournament qualifying in sunday''s show but in the last match, they said Norm won his 33rd title??? I thought this was the path to get to tv, not the actual championship match? If so, the PBA does not look professional anymore. It''s nice to get insight of the pros but the way they went about it made it seem very unprofessional.
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It''s one thing to not like the way the show was setup for TV but to not know that final match was for the title... are you THAT dense? Even Helen Keller would have figured that out lol.
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Post by: mainzer on November 08, 2009, 12:35:38 PM
nd Are you ever happy about how a tourney goes? You are sound like a woman crying about everyting they do.
You guys what do you want the PBA to do for a telecast? You want them to change something they change it you complain, they put it back they way it was stepladder style and people are whining.
WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO FOR A SHOW!
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Post by: Juggernaut on November 08, 2009, 12:54:58 PM
If I want/need a documentary, I'll turn on the history or discovery channel and watch something there.
If T.V. bowling has turned into documentary form like today, the PBA will disappear pretty quickly. Nobody is interested in what happened three rounds ago to get the players into the final rounds, except maybe family members, so why bore the only audience you've got with documentary style narrative explaining to us what we would've seen for ourselves IF YOU HAD SHOWN IT TO US.
I waited all week for THIS crap? If they use this format again, I won't waste any more of my time.
Maybe I SHOULD take up golf. At least they still show the players actually competing during the actual play of the tournament and don't tape it to make a "documentary" to be shown at a later date.
This SUCKED.
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Post by: shelley on November 08, 2009, 01:01:04 PM
I'd kinda like to see a half hour or so of the recap like they did, then the semi-finals and final match be single-game so we could see everything. There just was no tension or buildup. They could make the semi-finals abbreviated like they do with the shows on ESPN Classic (show maybe six or seven of the ten frames for each of those matches), then the final in its entirety.
I'm really glad they tried something new. When your ratings are suffering, you can't keep doing the same stuff over and over and cross your fingers. You gotta try something. Turns out this wasn't exactly it.
SH
Post by: shelley on November 08, 2009, 01:02:30 PM
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Post by: MikeCanMan on November 08, 2009, 01:05:46 PM
Do I want this every week...no. But is it a nice change-of-pace..heck yes!
Mike
Post by: Brian362 on November 08, 2009, 01:13:56 PM
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I applaud the PBA for daring to try something new.
Do I want this every week...no. But is it a nice change-of-pace..heck yes!
Mike
I think this a mixed bag. It was worth a try, but I prefer to see the whole match....JMHO
Post by: baltimora on November 08, 2009, 01:17:22 PM
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And check out Duke on the PBA site with the two honeys. Hard to tell if he's grinning from ear to ear because of winning or the fact that he's the meat in a little blonde sandwich.
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Post by: global900pbaexp on November 08, 2009, 01:20:25 PM
But, I did not like the way they did the final round.
I would rather see a live final round.
To me, the final match lost its excitement
because I knew it wasn't live. Maybe,
make the final match best out of 3 so it
could be done live on TV.
Post by: no300tj on November 08, 2009, 01:38:33 PM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 08, 2009, 01:58:36 PM
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 08, 2009, 02:11:57 PM
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NOTHING makes you people happy. NOTHING
BOWLING .. would help!
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 08, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
quote:They showed plenty of bowling last week. And people still complained. They showed plenty of bowling all of last season. And people still complained. What in the world do bowlers want? High scoring matches? Not tough enough, just a carry contest! Low scoring matches? Boring! Lots of matches? We don't get to see all of each match! Very few matches? Boring! See what I mean? It's simply impossible to make bowlers happy.quote:
NOTHING makes you people happy. NOTHING
BOWLING .. would help!
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I personally enjoyed this week's show, but also would have liked to have seen an actual final match. The fact that it was tape-delayed didn't have any effect on my enjoyment.
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Post by: themagician on November 08, 2009, 03:02:35 PM
And another point, this is a one time thing, its not like shows are turning into that every week, which is another reason why I thought it was cool to do something different and a few non bowlers I know watched and said that it was neat to see some things behind it and they felt it showed that the bowlers are a higher class.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on November 08, 2009, 03:13:42 PM
[/blue][/quote]They showed plenty of bowling last week. And people still complained. They showed plenty of bowling all of last season. And people still complained. What in the world do bowlers want? High scoring matches? Not tough enough, just a carry contest! Low scoring matches? Boring! Lots of matches? We don't get to see all of each match! Very few matches? Boring! See what I mean? It's simply impossible to make bowlers happy.
I personally enjoyed this week's show, but also would have liked to have seen an actual final match. The fact that it was tape-delayed didn't have any effect on my enjoyment.[/quote]
Exactly how I feel after reading some posts on here. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 08, 2009, 05:38:12 PM
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Best telecast ever today, imho. I hope they do one of these per season.
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Post by: rvmark on November 08, 2009, 05:38:50 PM
Whole lot of complaining about not what you tuned in to watch, I agree the show may not be what some of want to see, but at least they are willing to try something different. If you don't like what they are doing then don't watch it that is your choice.
Mark
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Post by: charlest on November 08, 2009, 06:24:12 PM
This was probably the best show from a competitive BOWLER''S point of view since they started telecasting bowling in the 1950s. You saw more bowling and the thought processes behind their shots and their head-to-head, man-to-man ''combat'' for real bowling than ever before. You saw real bowling, even if you did not recognize it.
PLUS there was the added benefit that the winner was determined by a best 4 out of 7 games, not a single game meant to fit within the confines of the "time allotted", not to determine the TRUE winner!
Small wonder bowling is going down the tubes. 90% of you don''t recognize it when you see it!!
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Post by: Bill Thomas on November 08, 2009, 06:54:12 PM
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on November 08, 2009, 09:26:00 PM
2. The recap was interesting but perhaps too long - saw some players I had hadn't seen recently, and some I had never seen bowl before.
3. It would be nice to have 30 minutes or so of recap for each week's show but do the finals live!!!! Yeah I know, that's not going to happen this season.
4. The PBA seems to be trying the shotgun approach this year - something different every week - hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
5. If is going to be hard to get new viewers if someone likes a show and tunes in next Sunday they will see a completely different format.
6. Wish them the best.
7. I actually watched the whole show.
Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on November 08, 2009, 09:28:22 PM
IMO the show was first class. It fit well with the best of 7 format. I hope they will do at least one of these each season. I think the format would be a super leadoff for the season next year."
I agree with you Bill. This would have been a much better as the first show of the season.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on November 08, 2009, 09:34:22 PM
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The show was terrible. For those who liked it, how about watching a football game where they show you teams practicing all week, then show highights of the game on TV (a few plays per quarter). Wouldn't that be great and very exciting !
Speaking as a Lions fan, that sounds like a great improvement on what we normally see.
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Post by: nd300 on November 08, 2009, 09:57:51 PM
I know it was different. I just didn't see the amount of bowling that should have been there. This was more of a documentary of HOW they got to the c-ship finals.
Finding out that last year's POY, Big Wes, lost out and only go to see him throw one shot---no explanation why. Bad ball reaction,bad lanes,tired,sick---just told that in one 5 second sequence. No other reasoning given.......
Finding out Voss is using a "golden parachute" exemption. I know what it is,but does everyone? Explain it instead of only telling us.
I do agree that maybe once a year do this format. But other than that,why not go back to the 3 game series format?? We'll really get to see who can bowl over a time period,not one game. That was fun to watch WRW and Chris Barnes do that.
I just hope that the casual bowler who tunes in to watch wasn't turned off,if you will, and stop watching all TV finals thinking they're all going to be like that one.
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Post by: Kid Jete on November 08, 2009, 10:07:35 PM
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The show was terrible. For those who liked it, how about watching a football game where they show you teams practicing all week, then show highights of the game on TV (a few plays per quarter). Wouldn't that be great and very exciting ! Tom Clark has to go. He will be the END of the PBA !
I didn't know the entire tournament up to the final four was just practice. That's news to me.
Post by: Kid Jete on November 08, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
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Opps! I must have blinked .. I didn't see much bowling!
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No offense Joe but you're too simple to appreciate the coverage they showed today. It appears you have some company as well. To each his own.
Post by: r534me on November 08, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
Here's a suggestion for those who just wanted to see bowling. Go to youtube and watch previous shows there. You will get your bowling fix and you don't have to wait a week to see it. And you can watch different venues too like the weber cup, the 10 pin masters or even international events.
Post by: agroves on November 09, 2009, 02:47:54 AM
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Post by: Pinbuster on November 09, 2009, 06:44:12 AM
I personally did not like the show and found it boring. I knew from the previous weeks show that they were going to have a recap of how the tournament went. But I did not think the whole 90 minutes would be a recap.
Like others have said I would have preferred to seen more actual bowling. But I have attended PBA events and pretty much know the format.
I also don’t care for the bowling thru in the previous shows in match. If they are tape delayed they could just edit out some of the dead time between shots and fit it into the time slot. Don’t pretend the action went on during the commercial break and they are catching you back up.
Post by: JOE FALCO on November 09, 2009, 07:22:59 AM
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No offense Joe but you're too simple to appreciate the coverage they showed today
You know best .. Thank you for your thoughts!
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 09, 2009, 07:27:20 AM
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Joe Falco, whaaa whaaa whaaa, it cost too much, I can't buy 58 balls anymore, whaa whaa whaa.....
Somehow this is related .. just don't know HOW? Guess it's my SIMPLE MIND!
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Post by: r534me on November 09, 2009, 08:32:28 AM
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It felt like a reality tv show to me instead of a sporting event. I like the idea of a 30 minute tourney recap with a 4 man stepladder finish LIVE.
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The finals were taped a couple of months ago. What portion would you have liked live yesterday?
Post by: dechrist on November 09, 2009, 08:44:09 AM
If I had any say, I would have made it a 2 hour show, shown the entire final match, and cut some of the commercials out. The commercials were excessive, I thought.
For those that hated the show, let's hear some constructive suggestions - better yet submit your resumes to the PBA. I'm sure they will give them the due diligence they deserve.
Post by: JOE FALCO on November 09, 2009, 11:16:19 AM
It was tape .. pick out the important matches and show us what went wrong with the loser? Prior weeks they showed adjustments made by BARNES .. that was interesting! I want to see documentaries I watch stories about the HITLER days ..
But that's OK .. some people like this type thing .. good .. enjoy it ..hope it raises interest in the younger generation that is the future of bowling!
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on November 09, 2009, 11:25:18 AM
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They showed plenty of bowling last week. And people still complained. They showed plenty of bowling all of last season. And people still complained. What in the world do bowlers want? High scoring matches? Not tough enough, just a carry contest! Low scoring matches? Boring! Lots of matches? We don't get to see all of each match! Very few matches? Boring! See what I mean? It's simply impossible to make bowlers happy.
Amen brother...
Post by: erider on November 09, 2009, 11:44:24 AM
Post by: stopncrank on November 09, 2009, 12:35:15 PM
i think for bowling to truly be taken seriously, the PBA show has to be ran seriously starting with the commentating. all this HAMBONE crap and the person that came up with it needs to go. How hard is to to give randy somebody who actually has "some" bowling knowledge to work with? im all for having fun, but when the match is serious so shold be the commentating. want a guideline for future telecasts? try looking up the old ABC-TV telecasts with Chris Schenkel and Bo Burton. At least Chris took the time to learn the game, and grew to love it. Is it too much to ask for the commentators these days to actually know a bit of whatever it is they are getting paid to comment on????
i think bowling needs to get away from Sunday telecasts all together, bring back wednesday time slots and Marshall Holman! Quit trying to compete with the NFL for viewers and ratings. i liked the different tournament formats last year like the plastic ball tournament, the house shot tournaments etc. i think this year though cost cutting has hurt the overall telecasts. as bad as they used to be, with it being taped they have lost all the "spark", as little as they had to begin with. i just feel like we are seeing the beginning of the end, all we have left is the PBA, it the face of bowling these days, and if its gone i think bowling as a whole will be too. Sad really...
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 09, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
quote:(Does the term "hambone" really detract that much from your enjoyment of the telecast? I barely notice when he says it anymore!)
i think for bowling to truly be taken seriously, the PBA show has to be ran seriously starting with the commentating. all this HAMBONE crap and the person that came up with it needs to go. How hard is to to give randy somebody who actually has "some" bowling knowledge to work with? im all for having fun, but when the match is serious so shold be the commentating. want a guideline for future telecasts? try looking up the old ABC-TV telecasts with Chris Schenkel and Bo Burton. At least Chris took the time to learn the game, and grew to love it. Is it too much to ask for the commentators these days to actually know a bit of whatever it is they are getting paid to comment on????
In just a couple years, Rob Stone already knows five times as much about bowling as Dave Ryan, who was the head commentator a few years ago. It's not like he's clueless. But it's also not his job to understand the ins and outs of the game -- he's supposed to narrate the action and describe the situation. Randy is the "expert" who is supposed to add color commentary and analyze the finer points of the sport. And at least Rob is exciting. Personal opinion here, but I bet this goes for quite a few other people in th under-30 crowd: Chris Schenkel and Bo Burton bored. me. to. death. Likewise with Marshall Holman. Just because you used to bowl doesn't mean you can keep me interested when the match is dull, or help further build the excitement and tense nervousness in a close match. And not to mention the older guys don't necessarily know today's game. Case in point, the extended argument of plastic vs. resin when shooting spares that Bo and Marshall gave us during a women's match a year or so ago.
quote:Again, that's ESPN's call, not the PBA's. The PBA is one of the very few things ESPN can show that actually does draw TV ratings against the NFL. The PBA doesn't pull enough clout or make enough money to dictate their own timeslot, and moving to any other network is a death sentence (too much money for a time-buy on a major network, and lack of exposure/ratings/sponsors on smaller networks). The PBA is stucked with damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't TV scheduling at the moment, and there isn't really any way this can change in the near future.
i think bowling needs to get away from Sunday telecasts all together, bring back wednesday time slots and Marshall Holman! Quit trying to compete with the NFL for viewers and ratings.
Post by: OddBalls on November 09, 2009, 02:26:42 PM
That would work for me as you would get the best of both worlds..
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on November 09, 2009, 03:55:36 PM
I liked the fact this was very different but hope they don't do it again any time soon. In some ways it was better then the sorry first show they had which was a bad hacking edit job.
Post by: EagleHunter on November 09, 2009, 03:55:51 PM
While many people have complained that there wasn't enough bowling, I'm not sure. If you factor in the footage of the earlier rounds, it is possible that we saw more "bowling" on this show than normally seen on a regular telecast. Granted it wasn't seen in order, or in entirety...but there MAY have been more bowling on this show. It would be interesting to see if that were the case.
Overall, I give the show an A+. I think it was a winner as as attempt to attract new viewership...hopefully it will translate into just that.
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Post by: rvmark on November 09, 2009, 06:37:04 PM
I would have to agree with your comments, listening to Bo Burton and Marshall Holman is about as much fun as watching paint dry. When Rob Stone started it was obvious he knew next to nothing about bowling but I will say that he has learned more about bowling than his predecessor Dave Ryan knew. For those complaining once again about "Hambone" and "Back to Back Jacks" I would much rather hear those phrases than the "60 feet to success" that you used to hear from Dave Ryan. Like him or not Bowlings ratings actually went up the past couple of seasons since Stone replaced Ryan.
Mark
Post by: eagle101 on November 09, 2009, 06:37:05 PM
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Post by: crispusattucks on November 09, 2009, 07:59:48 PM
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This is exactly what the PBA would want. For everyone to be talking about the show afterwards. The reason Tom Clark does these things is for attention.
I personally liked the whole backstory to the tournament, but it felt pointless to have the finals like that. Not having a televised final with a crowd took a lot of excitement. Overall i felt it was a great concept in theory but the lack of the telecast final (already taped or not) just killed it for me.
Please tell me you didn''''t just write the stupidest thing ever written by a human hand. Oh wait, I had to wade through several Stan and Joe Falco comments. The guy can''''t fathom anything that isn''''t ten frames live. Somebody please mash my bananas for me.
Yes, it kinda was what the PBA wants, ya think? The whole point of doing anything is to get attention. Attention translates to ratings, media, sponsors, new bowlers, new viewers, keeping the doors open.
This is bowling on television presenting a year-long package with many things to appeal to many fans. We all know that several of you would rather lose a limb than to ever watch anything that isn''''t exactly the same as it was 50 years ago. Make your one comment and be done, please let the next generation enjoy the sport.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 09, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on November 09, 2009, 10:13:49 PM
The bad news - the PBA does everything but "honor the sport". It's about the bowlers and the game stupid.
I have never had much faith in "investor groups" that buy organizations - they never seem to "get it" on what they have purchased.
I do hope to continue to bowl, and enjoy bowling - whether it is the PBA (too small with too few bowlers to survive)) & USBC (too big with too much overhead to survive) or otherwise.
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Post by: Spider Man on November 10, 2009, 05:38:32 AM
How is taking a sporting event and turning it into a documentary going to win viewership? A documentary would only appeal to hardcore pba fans. And I don't think that's what they want. Also was kenny even there or did he do a voice over at Bristol? Sad.
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Post by: stopncrank on November 10, 2009, 06:30:31 AM
Turn on any other major sport, Golf, Boxing, MMA, every single commentator on the shows knows about the game they are commentating. How long you think a commentator would last on a Golf telecast if he started making up his own words for a hole in one, or a long drive?? About as long as it would take to change the channel.
"Personal opinion here, but I bet this goes for quite a few other people in th under-30 crowd: Chris Schenkel and Bo Burton bored. me. to. death. Likewise with Marshall Holman. Just because you used to bowl doesn't mean you can keep me interested when the match is dull, or help further build the excitement and tense nervousness in a close match. And not to mention the older guys don't necessarily know today's game. Case in point, the extended argument of plastic vs. resin when shooting spares that Bo and Marshall gave us during a women's match a year or so ago."
You say Marshall doesnt know today's game of resin? His last title was in 1996 and he was using a Red Pulse, thats a reactive ball right??? And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season.You say just because they used to bowl doesnt mean they can keep you interested?? Well just because Rob Stone gets paid by ESPN to commentate doesnt mean he's great and can keep me interested either.
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Post by: EagleHunter on November 10, 2009, 07:47:17 AM
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How is taking a sporting event and turning it into a documentary going to win viewership? A documentary would only appeal to hardcore pba fans. And I don't think that's what they want. Also was kenny even there or did he do a voice over at Bristol? Sad.
Do you think the current viewership of the PBA tour is anything but hardcore bowling fans?
As a hardcore bowling fan, I will watch whatever the PBA puts out there because I am interested in it. My wife could care less about bowling, but even she found the show interesting.
A documentary does not appeal to ONLY the hardcore fans. By its nature, a documentary is an attempt to educate those viewing it about the topic. Now, will this show by itself lead non-hardcore fans to start flocking to watch the show? Most likely not.
However, if you are NOT a bowler, this show would seem far more interesting than watching guys you don't know throwing balls down the lane for an hour and a half. Do people watch "The Biggest Loser" because watching ridiculous weight-loss is great TV? Are people really watching "American Idol" for the great singing? The hardcore fans may be...but the general public watches for the reality show portion and the back stories.
This show was nothing like the regular PBA show, which appeals to hardcore bowlers only. It seems to have been an attempt to attract the non-hardcore viewer. It may have been an even bigger attempt to educate the general public, not the mention some of the not-as-educated bowling public, about what the PBA stars go through on a weekly basis.
Will this show change the game? Not likely. But what if it leads to a half-hour lead-in to the regular show? Perhaps such a lead-in would lead to increased viewership, as those tuning in would like to see how the reality show played out? Reality TV, regardless of how ridiculous or poor it is, is where TV is going these days. If the PBA has any chance of staying on the air, or in existence, it needs to do the same. This could be a step in that direction.
Post by: crispusattucks on November 10, 2009, 09:28:31 AM
JOE FALCO
is reading, better make it big, use Comic Sans and add some color, maybe 2 exclamation points would really drive my agreement home. Hope Joe doesn''t sizzle me with his Ricky Ricardo humor.
BINGO!!
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 10, 2009, 11:16:43 AM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 10, 2009, 11:55:50 AM
quote:And in 1996 people still also used stretched spans and 3/8" reverse for almost everyone. The game has changed quite a bit in 13 years. If nothing else, the approaches and releases used by some of the younger guys on tour is pretty different from what was used in the early to mid 90s. A lot less hit at the bottom, a lot more using the ball's weight and momentum to create the revs. Stuff like that. I never said Marshall Holman is clueless about today's game. I meant that he doesn't know the absolute ins and outs of the sport now compared to what he would have known 15 years ago when he was still engrossed in it. Does that make sense?
You say Marshall doesnt know today's game of resin? His last title was in 1996 and he was using a Red Pulse, thats a reactive ball right??? And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season.
Post by: JOE FALCO on November 10, 2009, 12:11:39 PM
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And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season
Sounds like he might know a little bit about todays bowling!
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Post by: stopncrank on November 10, 2009, 12:14:44 PM
quote:quote:And in 1996 people still also used stretched spans and 3/8" reverse for almost everyone. The game has changed quite a bit in 13 years. If nothing else, the approaches and releases used by some of the younger guys on tour is pretty different from what was used in the early to mid 90s. A lot less hit at the bottom, a lot more using the ball's weight and momentum to create the revs. Stuff like that. I never said Marshall Holman is clueless about today's game. I meant that he doesn't know the absolute ins and outs of the sport now compared to what he would have known 15 years ago when he was still engrossed in it. Does that make sense?
You say Marshall doesnt know today's game of resin? His last title was in 1996 and he was using a Red Pulse, thats a reactive ball right??? And if i'm not mistaken Marshall is the co-owner of Lave Lanes in Oregon, which hosts PBA National tournaments every year, and is hosting The Mixed Doubles Tournament this season.
just like im sure the game has changed even since Randy has been off the tour Right??? So by your theory, Randy shouldnt be commentating either since he no longer bowls and the game has changed since he was on tour...your argument makes no sense because the game changes EVERY year. I'd much rather have guys like Randy and Marshall who have actually thrown a ball to make a living at it than some guy who just gets paid to talk about something they know nothing about. If thats the requirements for a commentating job, then any Joe Blow can work for ESPN lol. How hard would it be to have a few current exempt players who dont make the finals fill in every week?
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Post by: stopncrank on November 10, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 10, 2009, 12:57:47 PM
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just like im sure the game has changed even since Randy has been off the tour Right??? So by your theory, Randy shouldnt be commentating either since he no longer bowls and the game has changed since he was on tour...your argument makes no sense because the game changes EVERY year.
Terrible example, not to mention you're butchering my words just to invalidate my point because you disagree with my opinion instead of just validating your own opinion. Randy bowled in a tournament LAST YEAR. There's a huge difference between one year and over a decade. And in fact, Randy still is on Storm's ball staff and is up to date on all their latest technology, drilling techniques, coaching techniques, etc.
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I'd much rather have guys like Randy and Marshall who have actually thrown a ball to make a living at it than some guy who just gets paid to talk about something they know nothing about. If thats the requirements for a commentating job, then any Joe Blow can work for ESPN lol. How hard would it be to have a few current exempt players who dont make the finals fill in every week?
The lead commentator's job is just to narrate the action, lead the pacing and tone of the broadcast, and give the color commentator(s) space to go in-depth on the technical aspects. Being able to do this is a huge skill in and of itself. Just look at any example over the years of where an inexperienced person was dropped into a TV booth during a live sporting event for some reason. ESPN columnist Bill Simmons covered a college basketball game once and did a terrible job even though he KNOWS basketball, and wrote a column about it. Or even take one of the NASCAR races from earlier this season where they opted to use a commentary crew consistening entirely of former drivers, crew chiefs, etc. with no play by play lead announcer. It was a painful mess to be honest!
Look at a generic NFL Sunday night football game as an example. Al Michaels tells us the Saints are lining up in shotgun on 3rd and 8. Brees drops back, play fake, throws a quick toss to Pierre Thomas who comes around the sideline for the first down. Only a very general knowledge of the game is necessary for that. However, on replay, Cris Collinsworth details the blocking done by the offensive line to get Brees an extra second in the pocket despite whatever defensive scheme the other team is using. He then can explain why one of the Saints was able to execute such a perfect block to get Thomas an extra five yards at the end of the carry. The lead commentator wouldn't be able to do that because he doesn't know and understand the fine points of the sport. That's the entire reason for having the color commentator. He may not be able to LEAD the broadcast, but he fills in the blanks the lead commentator doesn't know. That's the nature of sports commentary. Whether or not you like Rob Stone or Dave Ryan or any of those guys, you have to have SOMEONE in the booth whose entire job is to be a professional lead commentator, or you'll end up with a confusing, poorly paced broadcast.
But for what it's worth, I absolutely agree that it was great to have one of the exempt guys who missed the TV show come into the booth as the 3rd guy. Chris Barnes and Norm Duke used to do that a lot, and they usually added a lot to the broadcast. I don't know why they don't still do that!
(Random aside, does anybody else remember the one show a couple years back when Joe Tessitore filled in as lead commentator one week? Good God that was horrendous. Great boxing guy, but just embarrassingly bad at bowling. He made Stone seem like a savant he was so clueless, and sounded like he was falling asleep the entire time)
Post by: stopncrank on November 10, 2009, 01:12:59 PM
While it was educational for the normal fan, im just glad they arent doing this documentary style show every week. As a side note, i like the idea of having the animal pattern swing, along with the different patterns thrown in. FYI, if you have a minute check out the oil pattern for the Earl Anthony tournament-tough should be an understatement.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 10, 2009, 01:50:26 PM
quote:I'm 25 and my hair's already starting to thin and gray hairs are getting decidedly noticable. Don't make me think of what it'll be like in just 7 years.
we will agree to disagree on this one, i guess since i hit 32 this year im getting old...
Post by: Jorge300 on November 10, 2009, 02:18:08 PM
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After reading this thread, you should talk....you are the one hating the most on here. Geez.
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Post by: BrunsMike on November 10, 2009, 02:57:12 PM
BTW, the 1st 5 week's of bowling on TV are TAPED!!! 3 week's before the 1st LIVE event to be aired on TV yet.
As for knowing who won each of the 1st 5 week's on taped video, I don't know who won the 1st 3 week's until I actually watched those show's or who's going to win the next 2 taped tv show's.
I thought this past weekend was interesting but I didn't waste my day watching it. I DVR'ed it and watched it yesterday morning. I went and played a round of golf before the gate's close for the winter. At noon when the telecast was coming on I was on hole 5 watching my golf ball fly 175 yard's while enjoying a rare 65* sunny fall day in NE IL.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 10, 2009, 03:56:12 PM
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I thought the show was lousy! I don't care what they told us .. I want to see bowling on a bowling show! Felt like it was a COMMERCIAL show .. every time I turned around I was looking at another commercial .. after all these years I think they have finally LOST ME!
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I also think the MISSING CROWD took a lot away from the telecast! All the excitement of BOWLING was gone .. who cares what's going through their heads .. performance is what counts. Do you honestly think they are thinking all that garbage .. they want to knock those pins down the best they can .. looking from shot to shot not thinking what's my opponent thinking! STUPID!
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Opps! I must have blinked .. I didn't see much bowling!
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Joe Falco, whaaa whaaa whaaa, it cost too much, I can't buy 58 balls anymore, whaa whaa whaa.....
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Curious .. it was an hour and half show .. did anyone have a feel for APPROXIMATELY how long the actual bowling was shown? How many total frames did we see of the seven games? When I watch a boxing match do I care what the fighters are thinking .. or do you think after it's over they can state what they were thinking while competing?
It was tape .. pick out the important matches and show us what went wrong with the loser? Prior weeks they showed adjustments made by BARNES .. that was interesting! I want to see documentaries I watch stories about the HITLER days ..
But that's OK .. some people like this type thing .. good .. enjoy it ..hope it raises interest in the younger generation that is the future of bowling!
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Above is my HATEFUL RESPONSES .. To all that I offended I APOLOGIZE .. I thought I was expressing my opinion ..guess it came across as HATING SOMEONE!
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Post by: Jorge300 on November 11, 2009, 06:23:54 AM
Are this negative in real life, or do you just play a douche on BR.com?
Wow!!! You think just because you don't use salty language or expletives it's not hating?? And nice taking things out of context, if you put the replies next to what you were replying to, you'd easily see the Hateraid you are spewing. Whatever dude, you keep doing waht you are doing, maybe someday the wrold will see that you are right and change everything to make you happy.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 11, 2009, 09:18:44 AM
I thought the show as presented was not one that I would watch again. Evidently you (and others) prefer that format. In my opinion there are shows for ENTERTAINMENT and shows for LEARNING .. if the PBA SHOW is going away from entertaining .. there are many channels to choose from.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on November 11, 2009, 09:45:27 AM
I tune it to watch bowling, not a documentary of the week's recap.
Show the Finals Show.
The telecast this past week was lousy.
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Post by: Jorge300 on November 11, 2009, 11:53:30 AM
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I was thinking we all have a right to an opinion .. didn't know my opinion was going to change the world. Over the years I've been WRONG many times .. perhaps this is once more.
I thought the show as presented was not one that I would watch again. Evidently you (and others) prefer that format. In my opinion there are shows for ENTERTAINMENT and shows for LEARNING .. if the PBA SHOW is going away from entertaining .. there are many channels to choose from.
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Well I see you have joined the rest of the mental midgets....show me once where I said your opinion was wrong? All I said is you were hating, which you were, and the fact that you weren't using expletives doesn't change that. I mean look at your first post:
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I thought the show was lousy! I don't care what they told us .. I want to see bowling on a bowling show! Felt like it was a COMMERCIAL show .. every time I turned around I was looking at another commercial .. after all these years I think they have finally LOST ME!
The first sentence is your opinion, nothing wrong with that. The second is pure hater...they told you, up front, this was what you were going to see and yet you still complain and say you don't care what they told you the show would be you want to see something different. And when others called you on this....not your opinion...you hated on them even more. So please, spare us the kool-aid.
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Post by: EagleHunter on November 11, 2009, 11:59:29 AM
With all due respect, MANY consider low-scoring PBA shows to be snoozefests and a complete lack of entertainment. Would you prefer that the PBA get rid of those as well?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I thought the show was great, you did not. There is no beef there. However, many of the complaints are pretty weak.
"I want to see more bowling" - Has anyone proven that less frames of bowling were shown during this show than on any other show? Typical 4-man step ladder has 80 frames...how many were shown during this one? If it is significantly less, than the complaint is valid...but I doubt it is.
"I want more ball and drilling info" - Didn't happen before, probably won't ever happen. (Doesn't happen in golf either, does it?)
"There were too many commercials" - Without them, the show wouldn't be on the air and the PBA would most likely be gone. They are pretty close to that right now.
All of us will be watching these shows, regardless of what changes they make. Many were up in arms about the format changes when the new owners took over, but they are still watching. The PBA cannot, and should not, try to cater to the die-hards! They need to get more viewers HOWEVER they need to do it, or else you won't have to worry about the type of show they produce because there won't be one.
Post by: BowlingWolf on November 11, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
"No two people see the external world in exactly the same way. To every separate person a thing is what he thinks it is -- in other words, not a thing, but a think."
Post by: JOE FALCO on November 11, 2009, 12:17:22 PM
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The PBA cannot, and should not, try to cater to the die-hards! They need to get more viewers HOWEVER they need to do it, or else you won't have to worry about the type of show they produce because there won't be one.
AGREE 100%. I just find it difficult to believe that the show (as it was presented) would KEEP THE ATTENTION of non-bowlers!
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Post by: EagleHunter on November 11, 2009, 12:40:43 PM
The only way the regular PBA show will keep a non-bowler's attention is if every bowler has the front 10-11 every game. Unfortunately, such a show (on a regular basis) would make the sport a laughingstock.
I think this show has a chance due to its "reality show" style presentation. Until the numbers are presented showing how the show did, we won't really know anything. Even then, it was only one show. But I do think that a similar style show, as a lead-in for the regular show, may lead to an increase in viewers.
The truth is, we'll never know if they don't try. And at this point, they need to try EVERYTHING.
Post by: Juggernaut on November 11, 2009, 12:43:05 PM
The show STUNK. The show SUCKED. The show did any number of objectionable adjectives. Just apply those same principles to other aspects of life to see how much.
Imagine, instead of actually making love, you got to imagine it while your girlfriend/wife/lover gave you an entertaining narrative of what it is like to make love. Happy yet?
Instead of the X-rated movie you rented, you find inside the case an informative documentary on the actors and how they came to be porn stars. How about now?
Instead of actually watching a football game, you get 3 hrs of Brent Musberger and Bryant Gumbell talking about what it takes to be a professional player with only highlights of the game in the background. Getting there now?
Imagine listening to Harry Cary's broadcast of baseball games. Little more than vague narratives of the action at times. Surely THIS got my point across.
The PBA needs to do something, sure, but actually taking the action off and replacing it with "interesting documentary" was ridiculous. A waste of my time that won't happen again. I tune in to see bowling, not listen to how many bad breaks Chris Barnes had this week or how Norm Duke played down the outside. I WANT TO SEE IT, NOT HEAR ABOUT IT.
Yes, I knew it was going to be different, so I watched to give it a chance and see what it was. Now I know, and it was NOT GOOD. Informative, yes, but entertaining? NO.
Am I b!tch!ng about it? YES I AM! Do I b1tch about everything? No, only when I don't get something that satisfies me, and Sunday's show certainly did not.
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Post by: APheLion on November 11, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
what i would change is the way the conclusion, i would ve liked more if they had a live game for final
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Post by: rvmark on November 11, 2009, 01:00:44 PM
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IMHO, JOE FALCO is RIGHT!
The show STUNK. The show SUCKED. The show did any number of objectionable adjectives. Just apply those same principles to other aspects of life to see how much.
Imagine, instead of actually making love, you got to imagine it while your girlfriend/wife/lover gave you an entertaining narrative of what it is like to make love. Happy yet?
Instead of the X-rated movie you rented, you find inside the case an informative documentary on the actors and how they came to be porn stars. How about now?
Instead of actually watching a football game, you get 3 hrs of Brent Musberger and Bryant Gumbell talking about what it takes to be a professional player with only highlights of the game in the background. Getting there now?
Imagine listening to Harry Cary's broadcast of baseball games. Little more than vague narratives of the action at times. Surely THIS got my point across.
The PBA needs to do something, sure, but actually taking the action off and replacing it with "interesting documentary" was ridiculous. A waste of my time that won't happen again. I tune in to see bowling, not listen to how many bad breaks Chris Barnes had this week or how Norm Duke played down the outside. I WANT TO SEE IT, NOT HEAR ABOUT IT.
Yes, I knew it was going to be different, so I watched to give it a chance and see what it was. Now I know, and it was NOT GOOD. Informative, yes, but entertaining? NO.
Am I b!tch!ng about it? YES I AM! Do I b1tch about everything? No, only when I don't get something that satisfies me, and Sunday's show certainly did not.
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Yes you are entitled to your opinion and you make some valid points, this was one show and I for one did like the change. Is it something that I would like to see every week, no I would like to see them mix it up a little. I am not looking for the PBA to be like the NFL or NBA (the only football or basketball I watch is an the college games I can't stand watching pro football or basketball this is my opinion on those two sports not anyone else). As was said before they are not just trying to market the PBA to diehard bowlers but to the masses and guess what reality tv while is not my favorite is huge in todays tv market so I can understand why they are trying something along that route. We don't know what the ratings are we just know that some of us liked the show and some of us really disliked the show in the end it is definitely nothing to blow a gasket over.
Mark
Post by: Jorge300 on November 11, 2009, 01:08:36 PM
The difference is that for everything you mentioned, you find out at the time it is different. For the show this week, you knew a week in advance. They told you specifically that this was a "behind the scenes" look at the tournament. So your examples are apples to organes and don't hold water.
And as far as the average bowler....are you an average bowler? From what I have read, no. So how do YOU know the averagte bowler or a non-bowler found it boring? If you read through this thread there are 1 or 2 cases where people say their spouses, who aren't bowlers, enjoyed the show. The one or two "average bowlers" I have talked to, said they enjoyed the show.
Did I enjoy the show as a 220-230 average bowler? Yes. Do I want to see it every week? No. Do I think there might have been a few too many commercials? Yes, but if you think about it, that means the PBA sold all that time to sponsors....less money the PBA had to shell out of it's own pocket to broadcast the show, which I see as a good thing. Sometimes good things for some mean some small inconveniences for others. I can deal with a few extra commercials if it means the PBA saves money that it can put back into the tour.
Again, you didn't like it, no issues with that. But why do you continue to try and pour your hateraid all over it with these nonsensical comparisons, that aren't even close to the same thing? Just let it go....I think we all know where you stand on it by now.....the hater in you made sure of that.
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Post by: Stan on November 11, 2009, 01:33:33 PM
For all of you that loved the show, what if you had a choice.
You could see a documentary on bowling OR you could watch MUTIPLE FULL HEADS UP matches.
Which one would you prefer ?? Which one would you rather watch ?? (same question, just worded different).
Post by: Juggernaut on November 11, 2009, 02:05:37 PM
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The difference is that for everything you mentioned, you find out at the time it is different. For the show this week, you knew a week in advance. They told you specifically that this was a "behind the scenes" look at the tournament. So your examples are apples to organes and don't hold water.
Said I knew it was different, so I watched it to give it a chance. The examples I gave were what I experienced when I saw HOW different. I thought there would at least be SOME bowling, not just highlights.
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And as far as the average bowler....are you an average bowler? From what I have read, no. So how do YOU know the averagte bowler or a non-bowler found it boring?
They told me so. Asked me "How can you watch that crap" was the exact quote, I believe.
Friends. Who knew.
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If you read through this thread there are 1 or 2 cases where people say their spouses, who aren't bowlers, enjoyed the show. The one or two "average bowlers" I have talked to, said they enjoyed the show.
Evidently, the people I know have different tastes. Many said it was a stupid waste of time.
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Did I enjoy the show as a 220-230 average bowler? Yes. Do I want to see it every week? No. Do I think there might have been a few too many commercials? Yes, but if you think about it, that means the PBA sold all that time to sponsors....less money the PBA had to shell out of it's own pocket to broadcast the show, which I see as a good thing. Sometimes good things for some mean some small inconveniences for others. I can deal with a few extra commercials if it means the PBA saves money that it can put back into the tour.
1. Disagree--2. Agree--3. Agree--4. Good point. Extra commercials are O.K., but no actual bowling wasn't.
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Again, you didn't like it, no issues with that. But why do you continue to try and pour your hateraid all over it with these nonsensical comparisons, that aren't even close to the same thing?
Just emphatically showing my agreement with JOE FALCO, who coincidentally, has been reprimanded throughout this thread for his negative comments.
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I will, probably this week, as soon as I see the show get back to a semblance of normalcy.
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I think we all know where you stand on it by now.....the hater in you made sure of that.
No total hater here, just hated the format of that single show. And tired of people "hating" on us who didn't like the show, telling us it was a good thing.
If I'm not qualified to know what's bad, how are you qualified to know what's good?
Post by: EagleHunter on November 11, 2009, 02:10:09 PM
Why bother with the "death not an option" game?
Hardcore bowlers are probably more inclined to want nothing but bowling, preferably live, for as long as possible.
Non-hardcore bowlers are probably more inclined to want the reality show aspect...assuming they had no choice than to choose one of the BOWLING options versus something else entirely.
Bottom line...you will watch WHATEVER the PBA decides to put on. There is no choice.
Post by: stopncrank on November 11, 2009, 02:18:43 PM
You dont have to turn on the tv to watch it, so yes there is a choice. Point is if you love it, fine. Thats your opinion, my take is i tune in to see and watch the best in the world bowl head to head. Thank goodness it was only one week. I find it hard to beleive this one show is gonna draw that many more viewers than actualy bowling. If people already arent interested in the actual sport of bowling, what makes you think people will tune in to watch what said bowlers actually go through each week? Here again, im not saying the show was a dud. I made my choice to actually bowl in a tournament when i found out there wasnt gonna be much bowling, heck i dont even watch reality shows during the week.
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Post by: Jorge300 on November 11, 2009, 02:51:45 PM
I will say this again.....not getting on anyone for their opinion of the show. Some liked it, some didn't like it....always is going to happen. But after you have stated your opinion, as this especially goes to Mr. Falco, you went on and had to p#$s on the show. You expected something different...why? They explained what it was the week before. Again, not asking you or anyone to change your opinion.....which seems to get lost by everyone on these boards, as soon as you call someone out the immediate response is "oh you just want me to think like you". What a bunch of insecure people we must have on here. My initial response was drawn out by Falco calling others "haters" after the "hater" comments he posted, hypocrisy is one thing that bothers me a great deal, and I will call people on that.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on November 11, 2009, 03:21:46 PM
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hypocrisy is one thing that bothers me a great deal, and I will call people on that.
Does that give me the option to chose the weapon?
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Post by: HamPster on November 11, 2009, 06:55:10 PM
Who is involved with decisions like that? The vast majority of posters on this thread said they hated it, so I'm lost as to how the people making this decision thought it was a good one and went through with it. If I was just a casual viewer flipping through channels, I might have watched a minute and kept going. Nothing about that show even held MY interest, and I'm a freakin bowler! They might have saved some money on the format of bowling a million tournaments at the same time, but I wonder if it will offset the money they're going to lose from loss of interest. The first time they've ever done a best 4 out of 7 tv final . . and they destroy it. I'd have liked to see that in its entirety. Yes, I'll still watch next week, even though I already know who won . . but I most likely won't tune into the whole show, I'll just catch it on commercials of whatever football game is on. Very disappointed.
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Post by: tenpin on November 11, 2009, 09:25:17 PM
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Juggernaut,
And as far as the average bowler....are you an average bowler? From what I have read, no. So how do YOU know the averagte bowler or a non-bowler found it boring? If you read through this thread there are 1 or 2 cases where people say their spouses, who aren't bowlers, enjoyed the show. The one or two "average bowlers" I have talked to, said they enjoyed the show.
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Here is my opinion on this show. I did not see the telecast the week before and had this on dvr. I was not interested at all with this show. Now as you posted this is my opinion as a above average bowler. Now my 2 year old and 6 year old son's always watch bowling they don't bowl and would be considered non bowlers. They could not watch more the 5 minutes of it. My wife who would be considered a average bowler could not stand the show at all. I don't think this is the right direction to go in and hope they get back on track somehow. I give them credit for trying but don't think this is going down the right path.
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Post by: Rev_O on November 13, 2009, 08:09:50 AM
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Post by: Juggernaut on November 13, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
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I thought it was a great idea to show what goes on during an entire week of PBA competition. Most people that watch on sunday have no idea the grind these guys go thru on a day to day basis. I commend the PBA for giving viewers the insite of all the behind the scenes moments.
Rev-O,
I've had my flogging here, but wanted to respond to you, so here goes. I "get" what the PBA was shooting for, I just fail to see how they (PBA) ever came to the conclusion that was what the "average" viewer would be interested in seeing/finding out. You said "Most people that watch on sunday have no idea the grind these guys go thru on a day to day basis", and while that is true, I really don't think most people care.
I don't think they (viewers) care about ANY sport they watch in this way. An insightful look at pro football players, pro basketball players, or players of ANY professional sport and what they go through on a weekly basis might be interesting, but I'm willing to bet the NFL, NBA, or ANY other sports league would NOT replace an actual game with such a telecast for fear they would LOSE viewers. I do not think they would even remotely think something like this would GAIN viewers, do you?
Trying something new and different would be a bit more understandable if someone would/could help me see how replacing the very thing that most tune in to see with an in depth, "reality" type broadcast.
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