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Title: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DP3 on December 27, 2006, 01:28:22 PM
http://media.putfile.com/Tim-Mack-2002

This looks like matchplay from Team USA Trials.  
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: chitown on December 28, 2006, 09:58:37 AM
He does throw the ball great.  Solid game!
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: leftehh- LG on December 28, 2006, 05:42:38 PM
its really cool especially the music synched to it.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: mrteach3 on December 28, 2006, 07:35:26 PM
Add on to that a very nice guy.  Talked to him a bit at the Super Hoinke this year.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: azus on December 28, 2006, 07:43:31 PM
He has a really short approach, and yet he has that speed.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: Big Jake on December 28, 2006, 09:44:12 PM
Two things about this video;

1) he has serious game

2) and the video was made with some superb slo-mo shots

btw, one of the best videos I've seen here in a while

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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 28, 2006, 10:18:54 PM
it looked to me like he was spraying the ball right of target at times. this is probably one of the reasons he's struggled at times when he's bowled pba national tournaments. his type of power game, like many others, doesn't always work on pba lane conditions. i hope his shoulder fully heals so he can try his luck again against the best the pba has to offer.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: Joe Jr on December 28, 2006, 10:20:08 PM
The man is a god.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: leftehh- LG on December 28, 2006, 10:21:57 PM
quote:
it looked to me like he was spraying the ball right of target at times. this is probably one of the reasons he's struggled at times when he's bowled pba national tournaments. his type of power game, like many others, doesn't always work on pba lane conditions. i hope his shoulder fully heals so he can try his luck again against the best the pba has to offer.



well when there are no dark boards at the end of the lane it makes your breakpoint hard to tell but It looked consistent to me overall. No one is a robot so people are going to not be accurate all the time.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: leftehh- LG on December 28, 2006, 10:24:55 PM
PLus PBA conditions arent as hard as everyone thinks they are compared to 2-1 ratio sport shots there is virtually 2 board or less mistake room.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: YeahHossNV on December 28, 2006, 11:35:30 PM
And also keep in mind that if that was Team USA Trials, then that IS a Sport Shot which is harder than Most PBA patterns.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 29, 2006, 02:24:19 PM
i suppose then that since the pba uses easier patterns tim mack would dominate that tour, right ? only time will tell but the vast majority of power players that have bowled pba national tournaments have not fared well on a consistent basis. mark roth has 34 titles----he's one of the greatest of all time. jason couch is the only other power player i can think of that has more than 10 titles and he's lefthanded.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: Mvpbowler on December 29, 2006, 08:31:40 PM
Tim is a very nice guy have gotten to know him very well over the years! He is unbelievable! The things he has gone through with injuries, people questioning his ability as a bowler and if he should turn pro to prove himself. Just amazing to watch him bowl shot to shot! As you can see from that video he didn't miss much shot to shot. I did happen to be there that year bowling Team USA, he bowled excellent that week!
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: chitown on December 29, 2006, 10:39:04 PM
Is he turning pro?
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 30, 2006, 08:51:58 AM
a friend of mine manages a bowling center here in the midwest. he bowled at wichita state in the early to mid 1990's. he bowled as an amateur in this country and abroad. he has bowled pba regionals and big money amateur events around the world. the past few years he had coached the national team from a country in the middle east, he has seen the best players in action from all over the world both amateur and professional. i don't have his resume but i too have been keeping an eye on bowlers when they come to bowl at the professional level.

when i asked my friend who he thought was the best of the amateurs who came to the pba tour since the mid 1990's he mentioned two(2) names: chris barnes and mika. he said these two players were by far the most versatile and adaptable players he'd seen. when i pressed him further about some other players he said the following: "these players are good---very good, however their game isn't versatile enough to win or be in the hunt consistently on the pba tour":

robert smith
patrick healey, jr.
paul fleming
tim mack
rudy kasimakis
chris sand
brett wolfe


i'm sure i've left off some names but you see the point i'm making. all the players mentioned here are good, there's no doubt about that. some like robert smith and patrick healey, jr., have won multiple pba titles, yet don't bowl well enough consistently from tournament to tournament, year to year. i was correct in my assesment of rudy kasimakis not winning a pba national title----he simply wasn't versatile enough and his spare shooting was a bit suspect. brett wolfe won the 2001 abc masters but when he bowled on the pba tour full time the next year he wasn't a factor. i'll be surprised if tim mack bowls on the pba tour full time. other than the usbc masters, the pba world championship, and the us open, he'll have to bowl the rabbit squads to qualify for a tournament. then he'd have to win a tournament to be exempt for the next season. we'll see, i don't think it will happen.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DP3 on December 30, 2006, 09:45:09 AM
You can't win 65+ titles worldwide spraying the ball at the breakpoint.  Tour success should not be the sole measurement of how good a bowler is.  Tim Mack is a legend of the game.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 30, 2006, 09:54:24 AM
i seem to remember many people on this website( and elsewhere )saying rudy kasimakis was a legend of the game.........
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DP3 on December 30, 2006, 10:36:12 AM
Rudy doesn't have 65+ international titles.

We are talking certified wins here.  Not dollars from action.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 30, 2006, 01:37:27 PM
65+ international titles are an accomplishment to be sure. but they aren't pba national titles are they ? the pba is THE standard by which you as a bowler will be measured. if you are an aspiring football player winning a mvp award or a super bowl ring in the nfl is the standard. if you want to be the best in baseball then you'll have to prove it in the major leagues. if you want to be like roger federer then you'll have to beat him at the highest level, wimbleton or the us open. an aspiring golfer will have to win on the pga tour to show he's the best. in bowling if you want to be recognized as one of the best, or the best, you'll have to prove it on the pba tour. winning a standard pba tournament is hard enough. winning one of the majors( usbc masters, us open, pba world championship, tournament of champions ) tells the bowling world you are a force to be reckoned with. if tim mack remains an amateur he can still compete in the usbc masters and the us open( he's bowled in them but hasn't won either ). by turning pro he can also compete in the pba world championship. he'll need to win a pba national title to bowl in the tournament of champions( or get there the regional route ).

there are those who will say that winning on the pba tour doesn't make you a great player or that it's not the highest level of competition. in fact it's been THE standard of competition since 1959. chris barnes and patrick healey, jr.,( both great amateur players by the way )have both been quoted in bowling publications in saying that they knew they would have to join the pba someday-----that the pba has always had the best players and to be considered one of the best you have to beat the best.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: boondoggle on December 30, 2006, 02:43:58 PM
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i suppose then that since the pba uses easier patterns tim mack would dominate that tour, right ? only time will tell but the vast majority of power players that have bowled pba national tournaments have not fared well on a consistent basis. mark roth has 34 titles----he's one of the greatest of all time. jason couch is the only other power player i can think of that has more than 10 titles and he's lefthanded.


I'd put Amleto Monacelli with 19 on that list.  Steve Hoskins at 10... but you said over 10... and Tommy Jones is at 9 and counting.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: leftehh- LG on December 30, 2006, 04:35:13 PM
And Tommy Jones will more than likely continue to win because He is versatile but still a power player. I think he is one of the best power players in a LONG time.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 30, 2006, 09:42:58 PM
i know amleto has 19 titles but he's more of a power stroker not a real power player. hoskins could have a lot more than 10 titles had he worked harder on spares and developing a better "b" and "c" game.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: leftehh- LG on December 30, 2006, 09:49:24 PM
Does Hoskins still bowl?
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: DON DRAPER on December 31, 2006, 04:55:45 AM
he may bowl but not on the pba tour. he failed to make the cut at the tour trials several years ago and pretty much retired. i believe he lives in florida.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: CoachJim on December 31, 2006, 05:44:08 AM
The problem with the tour patterns isn't getting the ball to hook it is keeping it from hooking too much. With that being said most power players struggle out there because they are used to reaching back and putting more on the ball to over power lane conditions and that is just not possible on tour patterns. You have to have power and finnesse sometimes at the same time along with speed control and being able to vary from going straight up the boards to jumping the gutter cap and swinging the whole lane, this is why Voss has been struggling so it's not just the power players, any one who is too one dimentional will struggle out there on tour.

Look who has had success this year, Doug Kent, Tommy Jones, Wes Mallot, Norm Duke, Chris Barnes,and PDW to mention a few, none of these guys are one dimentional. In today's game you have to be able to change your game at the drop of a hat if you want to stay competative.

Ron Clifton showed us an old video clip at the clinic he gave last month, and in this video there were two old school full roller type players using old black rubber balls playing straight up the track and they never moved, or had to and the only time they didn't strike was when they over threw the ball and it jumped out of the track. Modern synthetic lanes don't have tracks worn in them and modern equipment wouldn't probably hold a line in one either.

In order to make the tour competative for all types of bowlers, they came up with these 5 patterns which are pretty fair for all of the players, some have an advantage over others on certain patterns, but by and large they seem to play as they were intended as we see some new faces each week and some familliar ones who have learned to adjust and play each of the patterns. The only way you get to this point is competing on these patterns that is why I hope the PBA Experience leagues are a big hit.
Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: Next Level PS on December 31, 2006, 09:23:22 PM
this year I was drilling all Timmys stuff before he moved to Inddy. he has one of the most oddest gripps I have seen, timmy has one of the smootest games around just hope he gets that shoulder right.
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: pate08 on December 31, 2006, 09:27:42 PM
Two words baby, WES MALOTT!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: Tim Mack Video Package
Post by: TheDude on January 04, 2007, 12:33:58 AM
Hey Next Mack's PAP is less than 4 inches right? i have heard his track is very low, something similar to mike devany or mike fagan.

another shot for tim. He is a fantasic international bowler. from having to travel in planes constantly, players on tour get to drive from event to event.

I am willing to place alot of money on the fact that Mack has made more money than walter ray has. His international titles often pay as much or more than tour titles do.

in life success is measured by dollars not just by titles in this case. i'll go with the man with fatter pockets.
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