Post by: MVbowler on December 03, 2008, 10:45:32 PM
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Post by: charlest on December 04, 2008, 06:55:19 AM
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You guys always focus on the negative aspect of his bowling... i.e. not bowling well in the TQR, when last april he beat exempt pro Ryan Shafer in a regional on the Shark pattern. The "hardest" pattern on the pba... give the kid some respect, just let the 900s go instead of bringing that into EVERYTHING...
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You're missing the point. His doing badly in the TQR further justifies crticism of the dishonor and embarassment he brought onto ALL bowling by those phony 900 scores. The USBC was backed into a corner and had to allow them, but the falseness of those scores caused them to pass a law prohibiting non-witnessed honor scores.
What he caused bowling can never be forgiven, even if he wins 100 PBA tournaments. He made us a laughing stock, when we needed respect.
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Edited on 12/4/2008 7:56 AM
Post by: Necromancer on December 04, 2008, 07:39:23 AM
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You guys always focus on the negative aspect of his bowling... i.e. not bowling well in the TQR, when last april he beat exempt pro Ryan Shafer in a regional on the Shark pattern. The "hardest" pattern on the pba... give the kid some respect, just let the 900s go instead of bringing that into EVERYTHING...
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You're missing the point. His doing badly in the TQR further justifies crticism of the dishonor and embarassment he brought onto ALL bowling by those phony 900 scores. The USBC was backed into a corner and had to allow them, but the falseness of those scores caused them to pass a law prohibiting non-witnessed honor scores.
What he caused bowling can never be forgiven, even if he wins 100 PBA tournaments. He made us a laughing stock, when we needed respect.
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Edited on 12/4/2008 7:56 AM
Agreed ^.
Also I think the USBC along with the PBA is full of retards. What do you mean they investigated? LOL! They can't even put up THS oil pattern for a televised tournament. You are telling me they did something outside of their capacity entirely by 'investigating'? LOL!
Here is what really happened LOL IMO on the investigation?
USBC/PBA: So there is no proof that he didn't bowl the 900?
Bowling House Staff: Nope, I wasn't there!
USBC/PBA: Well then by default if there is no proof that he DIDN'T do it, then that must mean he DID!
LOL WUT!?
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Post by: mainzer on December 04, 2008, 07:42:07 AM
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Post by: The SuperHitMan on December 04, 2008, 08:01:43 AM
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But when someone claims he did something that is practically "impossible" what was it 3 times?
That goes out the window when you see 2 900 rings on his hand. I have to ask how many bowlers would take a 3 game 900 series set? How many of you would care if you pre-bowled it?
Yeah he ruined it for those who shoot honor scores pre-bowling but I'm pretty sure if he didnt beat the system somebody else would have.
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Post by: SleepOnIce on December 04, 2008, 08:13:23 AM
Start a league in a small house where you either know, or are, the owner. Make it a singles league, but be the only person who signs up for it. Pay all the sanctioning fees, and whatever else you have the pay the USBC for. Do whatever sir 5 900s in practice did, and profit. EZ game.
(I'm not sure if what I wrote makes any sense, but I'm over it)
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Post by: Necromancer on December 04, 2008, 08:19:10 AM
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The simple solution for people wanting honor scores without actually bowling them is this.
Start a league in a small house where you either know, or are, the owner. Make it a singles league, but be the only person who signs up for it. Pay all the sanctioning fees, and whatever else you have the pay the USBC for. Do whatever sir 5 900s in practice did, and profit. EZ game.
(I'm not sure if what I wrote makes any sense, but I'm over it)
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Edited on 12/4/2008 9:13 AM
IMO there are much more sophicated ways to bowl a 900. It is funny how they say golfers are the most honest athletes and that golf is so close to bowling, yet bowlers are often full of liars. Here are ways to bowl a 300 sophicatedly:
-Use a ball drilled outside restrictions
-Set an oil track on the lane that will guide your ball to the pocket
-Use lighter pins
-Make the backends near the pin area to your advantage (we all know what I mean)
-Sand down a temporary track area on the lane
-Bowl non-stop a game (reason why pre-bowling often produces higher scores than league play with start and stop)
-Have someone in the pin area above the pins knocking down pins
-Use pins with chipped up bottoms so they fall easier
-etc.
I am sure there are more ways.
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Post by: batbowler on December 04, 2008, 08:20:56 AM
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Post by: charlest on December 04, 2008, 10:41:11 AM
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Post by: Krakken on December 04, 2008, 11:00:35 AM
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Not gonna lie.. the kid can bowl.. But when someone claims he did something that is practically "impossible" what was it 3 times? Kinda hard to give the kid respect.. Unfortunately, He will never get the respect he deserves.. which is sad. And that is one reason why bowling is not a respected sport. Just my opinion
You are rigth he will get no respect, but he brought it on himself. And unfortunately the rest of us as well.
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Post by: bass on December 04, 2008, 12:48:06 PM
It's a ONCE in a LIFETIME achievement award????????
LOL
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Post by: Z Jellsey on December 04, 2008, 01:04:02 PM
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You guys always focus on the negative aspect of his bowling... i.e. not bowling well in the TQR, when last april he beat exempt pro Ryan Shafer in a regional on the Shark pattern. The "hardest" pattern on the pba... give the kid some respect, just let the 900s go instead of bringing that into EVERYTHING... besides, how many of you who bash him have bowled a TQR? I dont agree with the 900s, but you also have to let a person try to prove himself... which he has done, and with more experience can do again.
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Post by: MVbowler on December 04, 2008, 02:12:13 PM
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Post by: moooorich on December 04, 2008, 02:17:30 PM
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How can he have TWO "900" rings on his hands????????????
It's a ONCE in a LIFETIME achievement award????????
LOL
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2nd arrow is for pansies.
pretty sure that's on hold.....under review
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Post by: Spider Man on December 04, 2008, 02:22:08 PM
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You guys always focus on the negative aspect of his bowling... i.e. not bowling well in the TQR, when last april he beat exempt pro Ryan Shafer in a regional on the Shark pattern. The "hardest" pattern on the pba... give the kid some respect, just let the 900s go instead of bringing that into EVERYTHING... besides, how many of you who bash him have bowled a TQR? I dont agree with the 900s, but you also have to let a person try to prove himself... which he has done, and with more experience can do again.
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Post by: Z Jellsey on December 04, 2008, 02:23:56 PM
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How is my post an ignorant post... the kid has shown he can bowl. Ok having 2 900s is rediculous, and obviously sketchy. Look forward not backward... he has done well in pba competition, but noone will give him the credit for it
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He has 2 sanctioned 900's=hard enough to believe
He claims to have 5 900's=not possible
He is full of sh!t and deserves everything he gets from us haters. If I were bowling that tqr, I would have piled all over him until he cried his cheating little eyes out!
Edited on 12/4/2008 3:24 PM
Post by: Necromancer on December 04, 2008, 02:30:38 PM
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How is my post an ignorant post... the kid has shown he can bowl. Ok having 2 900s is rediculous, and obviously sketchy. Look forward not backward... he has done well in pba competition, but noone will give him the credit for it
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LOL?!!! What was well with how he bowled this week? That he actually finished all 7 games? LOL!!!
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Post by: Mike Austin on December 04, 2008, 09:55:31 PM
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How is my post an ignorant post... the kid has shown he can bowl. Ok having 2 900s is rediculous, and obviously sketchy. Look forward not backward... he has done well in pba competition, but noone will give him the credit for it
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He has 2 sanctioned 900's=hard enough to believe
He claims to have 5 900's=not possible
He is full of sh!t and deserves everything he gets from us haters. If I were bowling that tqr, I would have piled all over him until he cried his cheating little eyes out!
Edited on 12/4/2008 3:24 PM
I agree! He didn't do any of them plain and simple. Whatever bad karma or criticism he gets, he has it coming. HE started it by claiming these scores in the first place. He may be a good bowler, maybe even a player. I don't care if he wins a couple Tour tournaments, he's still a piece of crap liar as a person and not a man. Cheater period.
Post by: SleepOnIce on December 05, 2008, 01:28:15 AM
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You guys always focus on the negative aspect of his bowling... i.e. not bowling well in the TQR, when last april he beat exempt pro Ryan Shafer in a regional on the Shark pattern. The "hardest" pattern on the pba... give the kid some respect, just let the 900s go instead of bringing that into EVERYTHING... besides, how many of you who bash him have bowled a TQR? I dont agree with the 900s, but you also have to let a person try to prove himself... which he has done, and with more experience can do again.
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If he wasn't Mr. 5-900s in practice, then nobody would care about how he did in one regional and a TQR. He'd be like all of the people who finished ahead of in the TQR, some name that we wouldn't care about. Without the "900"s he would be insignificant and just another bowler that didn't, and probably wont ever, make it.
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Post by: Uncle Crusty on December 05, 2008, 01:54:23 AM
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You guys always focus on the negative aspect of his bowling... i.e. not bowling well in the TQR, when last april he beat exempt pro Ryan Shafer in a regional on the Shark pattern. The "hardest" pattern on the pba... give the kid some respect, just let the 900s go instead of bringing that into EVERYTHING... besides, how many of you who bash him have bowled a TQR? I dont agree with the 900s, but you also have to let a person try to prove himself... which he has done, and with more experience can do again.
You can't just forget about the 900's when you're talking about Mushtare. He'd be a no-name hack if it weren't for those 900's, they're the only reason he's in the bowling public's eye. Not bringing up the 900's when talking about Mushtare would be like not bringing up the Holocaust or World War II when showing off an Adolf Hitler painting. Just because the guy knew his way around an easel doesn't mean he's some pot-smoking uber-nice guy like Bob Ross.
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Post by: Maine Man on December 05, 2008, 02:02:09 AM
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Just because the guy knew his way around an easel doesn't mean he's some pot-smoking uber-nice guy like Bob Ross.
Bob Ross would call Mushtare's 900's "happy little mistakes".
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Post by: chitown on December 05, 2008, 09:52:40 AM
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You're missing the point. His doing badly in the TQR further justifies crticism of the dishonor and embarassment he brought onto ALL bowling by those phony 900 scores. The USBC was backed into a corner and had to allow them, but the falseness of those scores caused them to pass a law prohibiting non-witnessed honor scores.
What he caused bowling can never be forgiven, even if he wins 100 PBA tournaments. He made us a laughing stock, when we needed respect.
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Totally agree!
His 900's were total BS! He's made this bad name for himself!