Author Topic: burning up your opponents line..ok? (Read 8712 times)

thfonz98 · « **on:** March 09, 2005, 05:42:38 AM »

supposedly tony reyes had something to say to mika after this weeks telecast since mika supposedly was burning up tony's line with some sanded stuff in practice.

whats your thoughts?

I think once you bowl for money anything goes. You gotta do what you can to win(or at least advance to the next match play round)
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thfonz98 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2005, 10:31:40 AM »

quote from brian voss this week(from another forum!):
"OK, you want to know what happened. 15 minutes of practice, a guy takes a dull sanded ball, and plays right up 7-8-9 towards the 3 pin. In all of my matches, tv, etc. I have never experienced someone purposely not trying to strike, but to build a stripe to bank off when the lights come on. 2 minutes before the show starts, move 10-13 left, and throw it right. This dictates how the lane will be played. When someone does this, they are saying, you will not play right of where I am doing this. You will play left of what I am doing. I don't agree with this. Unfortunately, there's no rule to prevent it. I just couldn't believe what I was seeing right in front of me. How this is supposed to be the most prestigious tournament, yet integrity takes a back seat. It's not his fault, he bowled great all week. Nothing against him, just the rules that allow integrity to be destroyed. What did I say into the camera? BAN SANDING BOWLING BALLS. Read my lips, Enough said, I apologize for my behavior, I love this game, just want to see it played fair "
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guzmand19 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 04, 2005, 12:35:26 PM »

When we bowled at States this weekend, for both days we got ONE ball on each lane. Not even one frame, one shot and thats it. If a tourney for house leagers is this tough on lane conditions, then why not the PBA?
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guzmand19 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 04, 2005, 01:26:40 PM »

I disagree Bob, and the reason is because the dull particle DOES still serve a purpose, other than the "shot-destroyer" We know they work well to combat floods, and certain times you need them, either due to wall to wall flood or due to having to play in a heavier oil line to stay out of the main track.

Why should we punish a stroker who needs a duller ball on certain patterns? Really what needs to be done, is don't let the bowlers bowl on the same lanes every game. Most tourneys require you to change lanes after games so there is no time to set up a "defense shot"
On the telecast they already have practice lanes set up for the bowlers waiting their turn, so why not just limit the number of throws a person has on the tv lanes. 2 throws a piece, max.

I doubt it could be enforced or there may not be a scale to measure it, but maybe limit the grit that a ball can be sanded to. Make 600 the minimum grit, or something like that. Sanding a ball to 240 or whatever is stupid.

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cgilyeat · « **Reply #34 on:** April 04, 2005, 01:50:15 PM »

I have to agreed with Bob on this one. While I agree the he's correct, it really isn't an ethics problem per se, I think that the bowlers's ethicsdo play a part in it. Voss oviously sees primarly it as an equipment proble, not ethics, but I suspect that part of the reason he doesn't resort to those tactics is that his ethics of fair play are such that he feels that it is cheating. At least that is my take on his reaction yesterday and from what I've read in the past from him on the equipment issue.

The lanes are oiled with a specific pattrern for a purpose, and I don't believe that a bowler should be able to modify the pattern in such a way as to defeat the original purpose of the pattern. To do this is to reduce/remove the limitations that the pattern places on the lanes and the bowler. I'm not sure what the real solution is, but certaily reoiling between matches and limiting the amount of practce would help.

scottie · « **Reply #35 on:** April 04, 2005, 02:34:06 PM »

all the above points are good,but if they allow a sanded surface bowling ball to be used,the player should be allowed to use it at anytime...what about robert smith a few weeks ago throwing a plastic ball down the lanes to get more carry down so his ball would hold longer.....i cannot believe that brian voss,knowing the problem he was facing,could not have made the adjustments required.
you could also say that bowling all week in a different house ,then moving to a new location with hot tv lights is unfair too..that changes the oil condition big time......when you get paid 120k,i think at that level,one should be able to deal with the conditions out there........

Bjaardker · « **Reply #36 on:** April 04, 2005, 02:41:39 PM »

I'm guilty of using this tactic

I have a ball sanded into a piece of charcoal & there was a team of crankers in our league that had no idea of how to adjust.

Everytime I knew we were playing them I would throw my "defense ball" on their line for the full 15 minutes of practice, most of the time only on one lane to get it good & whacked. They would switch to lighter equipment, skid right through the breakpoint, go stronger, cross way over.

On the great wall of china they put out it was the only way I could compete.

Doug Sterner · « **Reply #37 on:** April 04, 2005, 03:06:04 PM »

I used RObert Smith'as tactic a few weeks ago. Ther eis a guy who hits the ball pretty hard but cannot bowl worth a darn if you don;t give him the 2nd arrow. He has a very limited arsenal of older balls that will not turn the corner in carrydown.

So in practice I found a viable strike shot with my plastic ball. I shot 235 the first gmae and pushed all of the oil I could into his breakpoint. Guess wehat? His 205 average became a night of 130's and 140's.

I say that any bowler should be able to adjust to the condition and should not have to build one for himself...particularly at the professional level.

Now before you guys jump on me for what I did...I had a perfectly valid shot...15 to 8 with my Hybrid Dirty Bomb but I knew our team was going to need the extra pins in ourn favor so I set myself up with a quality shot that just happened to mess up his line.

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Bjaardker · « **Reply #38 on:** April 04, 2005, 03:59:18 PM »

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Voss shouldn't have acted the way he did, but if the PBA or ABC doesn't put a stop to the use of ultra abrasive shells, we aren't going to like where it takes us. \

Bob, I know you remember the hey day of urethane. I had a super rough gyro that I used to open up the lanes back then too. This isn't something new.

Weren't the balls just as abrasive then as they are now as well? I think that the only difference is that the balls now days are more apt to suck up the oil, thus changing the lane conditions faster.

Also, I think that a LOT of this discussion has to do with the fact that most houses are using either offense or in most cases prodigy for oil. If we saw houses moving back to defense, I think a lot of this "burning up the line" talk would be gone. (then again we'd be back to kvetching about carrydown from hell)

NOTHUMB · « **Reply #39 on:** April 04, 2005, 06:06:27 PM »

The other thing to bring up here is the use of balls to push oil down the lane. You all are discussing burning up a shot. Well if someone throws Urethane (the most Ive seen) or plastic (doesnt affect me as much in this area) they can push the oil down the lane to taper their backend reaction. People have been seen doing this on TV---I dont see anyone complaining about that. Why not? I think its just as blatant---they werent using their plastic to shoot at the 3-6-10, they were using it to push oil down.

I hate Urethane for this reason because of the slopped up backends it creates. I know people will disagree with me on that, but it just makes some "normal" shots play very stupid.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #40 on:** April 10, 2005, 10:38:28 PM »

ONe thing I have concluded after this whole debacle.

The Triumph TNT is NOT the ball to use after your opponent has thrown some sponge down the lane to place a dry path.

Reyes and Voss have both proven that. If you have been using one all week have a backup plan unless 150 is your friend.

REgards,

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PS Triumph TNT an absolute gem of a ball, not after your opponent throws a rock dwon the lane for a while.

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