Post by: calrajada on January 25, 2012, 02:44:48 AM
Does anyone knows why Tom Hess, last year USBC Masters champion is bowling in Qualifying Rounds when he is schedule to bowl along with top 63 finishers in Double Elimination round? He is currently at #264 after yesterdays' round...Thanks for the info.
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Post by: BrunsWolf on January 25, 2012, 10:59:44 AM
They always let the defending champ bowl the qualifying and cashiers rounds to get a feel for the building, the pattern, and all the transition throughout the day. So basically, to answer your question, it's free practice.
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Post by: ImBackInTheGame on January 25, 2012, 11:03:46 AM
Interesting...
If it is basically "free practice" then why even rank him? His scores don't really mean anything, right?
Post by: BrunsWolf on January 25, 2012, 11:09:41 AM
Correct, his scores mean absolutely nothing until the actual matchplay portion. (They just mean that him and the Storm team are tinkering with his ball motion and lane play to prep for matchplay)
As far as the other question, I figure that they rank him just because it's easier to go ahead and rank him along with the others as they put scores into the system and have to put out the results anyway. You already have a program/spreadsheet/etc. that automatically organizes and ranks players based on scores as they come in. Why make it more complicated and have it not do its intended job just for one specific player?
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Edited by BrunsWolf on 1/25/2012 at 12:10 PM
Post by: racincowboy3 on January 25, 2012, 11:23:05 AM
Post by: ImBackInTheGame on January 25, 2012, 12:34:19 PM
That makes sense, thanks.
Post by: DON DRAPER on January 25, 2012, 06:44:59 PM
Post by: tburky on January 25, 2012, 09:45:56 PM
Really? I didn't know that condition is that easy. What did you average if i may ask?
Post by: DON DRAPER on January 26, 2012, 05:11:52 AM
Post by: Cobalt Bomb on January 26, 2012, 05:19:17 AM
I don't disagree with the sentiment you express, but +99 (210 avg) to cash doesn't seem to be extremely easy. From watching some xtra frame, the commentators seemed to think that the house characteristics and non-staggered cross gave many bowlers some difficulty.
Post by: riggs on January 26, 2012, 07:33:36 AM
With all due respect, that is a clueless post. Less than half the field averaged 200, with many very good bowlers/PBA champions not averaging 200, and the first cut took an average of just 209.9. I've watched a good bit of the Xtra Frame and talked to people who are competing and this is NOT an easy condition.
And the defending champion was only given the option of bowling Masters qualifying in the last couple of years.
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Post by: actsbowler21 on January 26, 2012, 08:02:28 AM
With the ability to manipulate the lane conditions and the skill level of bowlers now a days, you're not going to see conditions you are asking for until the US Open..The competition conditions were more than fair for a major event.. Remember this isn't a PBA Tour event, the US Open and Masters are not PBA events. When people stop talking about conditions being easy and just accept the fact that scoring pace has changed across the board, perhaps you will pick your head up out of the sand.. Look who averaged 235, one of the best in the world...you have to drop to 227 average before you find an amateur in the field. And the cashier's round is full of big names and surprisingly missing a few bigger names...doesn't scream not difficult to me
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Post by: Russell on January 26, 2012, 09:31:05 AM
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 26, 2012, 03:37:57 PM
Post by: Pinbuster on January 26, 2012, 05:47:33 PM
Go Rick Steelsmith, Go!!
Post by: actsbowler21 on January 27, 2012, 06:29:01 AM
How do you make the best bowlers in the world NOT average something nowadays? That's my problem with the statement, not that you don't have a point. With the ability to manipulate the conditions and with just the talent some of these guys have, I just don't see how you can keep these players down...0 oil or 60 feet of oil someone will figure it out
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 27, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
Post by: NoseofRI on January 27, 2012, 12:12:30 PM
This is true, but even in the US Open the best in the world are still averaging 220-230. And the fact is, in order for bowling to grow again, you can't have the best in the world struggling to average 200 because it makes it look even worse to the non-bowler. Bowling is already thought of as a joke to "outsiders." So as much as us "bowlers" would like to see tougher conditions for the best, it will do NOTHING for the sport.
Post by: sabman on January 27, 2012, 01:12:24 PM