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charlest

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Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« on: May 23, 2006, 11:24:20 AM »
This was the situation as of short while ago:

"The 2006 Denny’s PBA Tour Trials takes place May 30-June 4 at Stardust Bowl I in Hammond, Ind., and will offer nine exemptions for the 2006-07 Denny’s PBA Tour season. Several changes have been implemented for the 2006 Tour Trials, including the addition of a prize fund and the switch from wood to synthetic lanes."
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2006, 10:09:15 AM »
I see about 30+ names on that list that all have a GREAT chance to make it, it is too bad the field is so limited, but I don't think the tour can support an 80 man exempt field yet with the revenue they're bringing in.  It's just not financially possible.  What the PBA should do is boost regionals up to a higher level and maybe that will give people something to gun for more than the exempt field.  Leave that to the top 99th percentile in the nation.
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2006, 03:16:38 PM »
I see 30 names on that list that I can't believe are not alreayd on the exemption list.

Saw-the-rack,

I agree with you. If I were wanting to win one of the spots beacuse I thought I were PBA capable, I would be very, very discouraged. True many guys like you are very capable, but everyone of those listed is capable of averaging 240+ for those 45 games. It's almost a crap shoot.

By the way, one of the changes this year is that there is now prize money available. My opinion is the prize money should be divided among ONLY those who are not one of the 9 (or 10) of those who qualify for a 2006/7 exemption.

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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2006, 03:24:36 PM »
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It's almost a crap shoot.


It's weird, because I've read several times that with the single-elimination match-play format now, it's a crap-shoot, and it was even worse when the round of 64 was match play as well.  The best bowlers for the week aren't necessarily the ones making the show because all that's required to make the show is to beat three people (once match play starts), and winning four matches with 190s to your opponent's 170s makes the show just as well as the guy who had to shoot 250+ to beat his 240+ opponent.

The round-robin match play from the US Open and the Dick Weber (hope that comes back, by the way) is really the only way to show who's bowled well all week.  Shoot 260 and lose still gets you more total pins than shooting 190 and winning.

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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2006, 03:30:53 PM »
Just looking thru the roster, there are a bunch of names there that I'd like to see on TV every week, or at least now and again: Baldo, Rat-boy, Feldman (really), a bunch of others.  I can't believe that the tour is now structured so that these folks aren't bowling.
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2006, 04:16:54 PM »
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I personally feel that tour trials should be free, or at least a reasonable cost to enter. $1,500 is just too high of a entry fee.  I think they should get rid of the prize fund, and only charge the cost of bowling, and whatever other fees needed to hold the event.  I do not think it costs $1,500 a bowler to hold tour trials, when a PBA national event only costs $400-500.  

When its all said and done, the week must cost at least $3,000 for the bowlers.


Compared to the equivalent of having to bowl the PTQ in five different weeks, even the $3K becomes a relative bargain.  

As to a total of $3K for the week, I would question that figure.  Even if you presume $90-100 a night for one person per room (and I bet there are a handful of decent rooms there for far less), it would take one hell of an appetite to hit $3K for the week.  Most probably drive, and I doubt they would have more than $300-400 in fuel expense, which again would likely be split amongst a few people.  
   
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How many of you out there have $3,000 to throw out on a whim and a prayer?


Again, I don't buy the $3K figure but it still isn't a huge sum.  A week of bowling of 20 minutes with the dice...at least you could write off a chunk of the bowling if you had a bad week.
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2006, 04:19:10 PM »
It's 10 exemptions this year but yes it is expensive I agree.  Luckily for me it's 20 minutes from where i live so i just have the 1,300 dollar entry fee.

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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2006, 04:24:36 PM »
Here's the dilemma though.  What is the right number of exempt bowlers for a national tour - or should they do away with the exempt field? 40? 60? 100?  

In order to give bowling some level of professional credibility the owners of the tour have decided to go to this concept of an exempt field.  this decision has angered many of the veterans that have made a living out of the national tour for years.

Personally I'd like to see more emphasis being placed on giving exemptions to Regional PBA points leaders and maybe specific regional event winners rather than a 'top x take all' tour trial event.  If you really want to expand on the credibility of the national tour I think treating the regionals as a proving ground and a rehab tour for former national tour guys is the way to go.
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2006, 04:38:39 PM »
Here is my expense log:

$1300 Entry
$250 Round trip flight
$85 Hotel (Split between 4 people, price lined for 40 a night at Best Western)
$225 Rental Car
No telling what food/entertainment will be, but its all written off.
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2006, 04:59:16 PM »
Uh huh.

If you're bowling for income, then just about anything in regards to the trip is a write off. Got to break down the 1099 you get at the end of the year!
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michelle

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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2006, 05:01:45 PM »
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I dont understand this writing it off stuff.  My mom does my taxes and I tell her I can write this stuff off and she doesn't believe me or wants to take the time to learn about it.  I really should pay to have my taxes done instead.  What do you need to do, keep reciepts of everything you spend?


It's really pretty easy...if you are doing this for income, then you Schedule C the bowling.  Your profession for the purposes of that document is Professional Athlete or whatever comes closest.  And if you are a member of the PBA and were going to the Tour Trials, then you would be able to make a reasonable first-impression showing that the attempt at business was legitimate.  

Personally, if I had ANYONE telling me something couldn't be done and they were not a CPA, then I would not have them doing my taxes.  Actually, unless they are a CPA in the first place, they aren't doing my taxes.  

In a nutshell, yes...you keep your receipts.  Just like you would to document EVERY other business deduction.  I also carried an envelope in the truck for each tournament that receipts went into to later be placed in the file.  Just make sure that the beer/wine gets shown on a separate receipt when you do the shopping at the beginning of the week, as the IRS tends not to like those liquor writedowns.
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2006, 05:06:28 PM »
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Uh huh.

If you're bowling for income, then just about anything in regards to the trip is a write off. Got to break down the 1099 you get at the end of the year!
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Its only a write off if you itemize, which is usually only possible if you have some sort of large investment (i.e. a house).

I don't see what the problem with having the format like this really is. Golf does the exact same thing with q-school, granted they have more exempt players, but it still seems like an ok system. I think this is much better than having it open to any joe blow that can average 200 for 2 years...
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2006, 06:12:57 PM »
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I agree, the prize for the 9 is the exemption.  They should maybe only get their entry fee back, if that.  The other money should go to the players who were in the thick of things but just fell short.  All they get is a pat on the back, knowing they are a good player but won't get the chance to show it this year.

I personally feel that tour trials should be free, or at least a reasonable cost to enter. $1,500 is just too high of a entry fee.  I think they should get rid of the prize fund, and only charge the cost of bowling, and whatever other fees needed to hold the event.  I do not think it costs $1,500 a bowler to hold tour trials, when a PBA national event only costs $400-500.  

When its all said and done, the week must cost at least $3,000 for the bowlers.

How many of you out there have $3,000 to throw out on a whim and a prayer?


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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2006, 06:41:14 PM »
Saw, I'm not going to question your decision on not entering.  I understand that not everyone has the same views on risk vs reward and all of the other attendant baggage that likely goes with the Tour Trials.  I don't have my card and even if I did, I have no desire to put myself through the Tour Trials, albeit for my own reasons not associated with costs.  

However, I am curious what you would normally spend on a one week vacation.  Even though this would not necessarily be a relaxing week, it seems like one could easily view the expense in the same light as they would a more traditional vacation...
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Re: Tour Trials for 9 exemptions for 2006-7 year
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2006, 06:47:10 PM »
Didn't they increase the prize fund so people can make their money back even if they don't get an exemption?

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