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JessN16

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Does Jaros "work the outside of the ball"?
« on: May 19, 2009, 02:16:54 PM »
That's what it has always looked like to me, and looks like again in the Midwest PBA video posted on this board. I watch him throw and I can't understand how he gets good revs on the ball, but he is very accurate and tough to beat. Seems like an A-1 guy off the lanes, too, judging from what people say about him.

Is this an optical illusion or does he really throw a super suitcase as it appears?

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Re: Does Jaros "work the outside of the ball"?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 08:19:27 AM »
great point about the finger position.  This year a had a wrist injury mid season and needed to get pressure off my wrist.  I moved my hand from underneath the ball at setup to the side of the ball.  I also made sure that I kept it there through out the back swing.  I noticed very little change in rev rate.  Me and a friend of mine were very interested in why that was so we took a video of me throwing the ball and noticed exactly what you pointed out in the picture.  I have actually stayed with this approach since the injury and have found I am a lot more acurate this way.

backswing_aplenty

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Re: Does Jaros "work the outside of the ball"?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 04:57:58 PM »
Inside and outside of the ball are terms used for the backswing, not the release.  Pete Weber works the inside of the ball and is at 90 degrees at the release.  Judging by where Jaros is sliding he needs a little extra rotational angle to get the ball around the corner, he's executing that perfectly.

Working the inside of the ball is a way to more effectively repeat shots when your armswing is involved.  The release is not included when talking about the "inside."


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JessN16

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Re: Does Jaros "work the outside of the ball"?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2009, 05:04:18 PM »
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Inside and outside of the ball are terms used for the backswing, not the release.  Pete Weber works the inside of the ball and is at 90 degrees at the release.  Judging by where Jaros is sliding he needs a little extra rotational angle to get the ball around the corner, he's executing that perfectly.

Working the inside of the ball is a way to more effectively repeat shots when your armswing is involved.  The release is not included when talking about the "inside."


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My point was that he never appeared to ever get to the inside, not even in the backswing.

Regardless, he's a great bowler and a tough out.

Jess

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Re: Does Jaros "work the outside of the ball"?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 06:54:26 PM »
At the top of his backswing his plam is facing to his right.  This position is easier to repeat.  The two bones in our forearm don't twist very far with the palm facing that way easier to duplicate.

With the palm facing to the left the forearm can twist until the ball is almost facing up.  Not the easiest motion to repeat.


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BrianCRX90

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Re: Does Jaros "work the outside of the ball"?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 11:49:48 PM »
There really is only two ways of throwing the ball coming up the back of it or coming around the ball.

I use the Jaros style release coming up the back of the ball and you can stroke it smooth which Jaros does or crank it. But don't think Jaros can't rev it up. In fact, he revs it up pretty hard but is so smooth just looks like he's sroking it but depends on the conditions. Last I saw him on the Shark he was putting more on it and was reving it up pretty good but was nothing compared to other bowlers with the same release. Eugene McCune for example uses the same release but obviously more violent and can crank the tar out of it. Wes Mallot uses the same release, so does Norm Duke, walter Ray Williams Jr.....

I got to see Jaros's release up close and he really keeps his swing loose and is able to get a good handful smoothly so it just looks like he is just a plain ol stroker but he is much more then that. If you want to see him more of a tweener in my opinion, look at his 90's videos how he used to snap his backswing behind his head. Then years ago after struggling a bit he used the same release but kept his follow through straight up in the air to get a smoother roll. Parker Bohn also went to this type of follow through. Difference between the obvious sides of the lanes is Parker comes around the ball and Jaros comes up the back of the ball.

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Re: Does Jaros "work the outside of the ball"?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 04:56:43 PM »
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Inside and outside of the ball are terms used for the backswing, not the release


Thanks backswing_aplenty, that really clears up what I have been wondering, makes sense now.
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