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Title: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: DON DRAPER on November 09, 2008, 12:34:21 PM
the tqr for this weeks tournament has been completed and true to form the scores were very high. it's been described as the highest scoring pattern the pba has used in some time. despite this, two players who are always being put up on a pedestal, rudy kasimakis and tim mack, didn't even come close in making the cut.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on November 09, 2008, 08:39:11 PM
Lots of local Michigan stars didn't fare too well either...I wonder how the pattern played?
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: charlest on November 09, 2008, 08:40:27 PM
I was surprised by the names I saw who averaged around 210 and below. I imagine many good bowlers might have found it hard to cope with a league-type oil pattern. They're just not used to it.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: APheLion on November 09, 2008, 08:42:22 PM
i was shocked when i saw tim mack averaging 190
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: NOTHUMB on November 09, 2008, 08:50:54 PM
This doesnt surprise me actually. THS situations lend themselves to allow you to miss by alot and play shots where when you miss by alot, you can get away with it. Alot of times, they lend themselves to play 2-direction lines. Whereas all the patterns the PBA bowl on lend them to rolling off the spot. That still doesnt explain Mack and Rudy struggling---but it doesnt surprise me that some people will be down a bit. Another thing that wouldnt surprise me---if some people mail this tourney in. I know it counts for points, but why beat yourself up mentally for this tournament---just to turn around and bowl something else the next week that was more challenging.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: APheLion on November 09, 2008, 09:17:37 PM
i thought they said when u give room to a pro, they goes on a rampage

on edit: i hope Jeff can average like 260, does he still holds the record?
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.

Edited on 11/9/2008 10:21 PM
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: los2003 on November 09, 2008, 09:21:29 PM
you still have to carry though
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: los2003 on November 09, 2008, 09:22:51 PM
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the tqr for this tournament is done? How come it isnt on wednesday like always?
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Wilbert on November 10, 2008, 12:42:16 PM
WRJ mentioned it was a modified house shot.  May be easier but not a true house shot.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: APheLion on November 10, 2008, 02:01:23 PM
parker another 300!! lets hope he makes it to the telecast
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Stormkid84 on November 10, 2008, 02:04:07 PM
Things that make me laugh:
quote:

47  Chris Barnes  Double Oak, Texas   7   1516  +116  216.57
51  Walter Ray Williams Jr.  Ocala, Fla.   7   1491  +91  213.00

Two of the greatest can't score on an "easy" pattern.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Edited on 11/10/2008 3:04 PM
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: iowalefty on November 10, 2008, 02:31:06 PM
meanwhile here is a model of consistency from wes malott: 242 ave with a 248 high game.


Round of 64 - Block 1 Game:
Score:  
244      
247      
248      
237      
238      
247      
236  
 Total
1697  
 
 

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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Stormkid84 on November 10, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
See, that's what I feel the point of this tournament is about, not just showing how inflated averages can get but who is the most consistent.  I am really looking forward to the Plastic Ball Championship!
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: charlest on November 10, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
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defintly some suprises there, especially rhino page not bowling well when it looks like the other lefties did well and jeff carter struggling a bit when I thought he may really excel on this.  I will be interested to read his thoughts on the shot


Not too surprising when you think what Jeff Carter has gone through while trying to make a living in the PBA. The skills needed to score well on a house pattern (even a PBA-modified one) vary incredibly from the skills needed to score well in the PBA. People change their entire games to focus on the PBA patterns. While I'd like Jeff to do well in every event (seems to be a very likable guy), maybe his house wall pattern skills are not as good as they once were, but his PBA pattern skills have increased proportionately.

That's my guess.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: KennyRambo on November 10, 2008, 09:42:39 PM
I remember reading somewhere that the house Carter bowled that season in was wood with guardian? Is that right? Taylor is different, and while easier than a tour shot, this isn't a TRUE wall. You have can have ten boards at the arrows but if you can't carry what does it matter? Tim Mack averaged 190 this week! WTF!!!!!


Looking forward to his report this week.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Joe Jr on November 10, 2008, 09:46:30 PM
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and whats your name? how many years have you been on tour? how many PBA titles do you have?

zero? what a shock. might wanna think before you make stupid comments like that.

quote:
Things that make me laugh:
quote:

47  Chris Barnes  Double Oak, Texas   7   1516  +116  216.57
51  Walter Ray Williams Jr.  Ocala, Fla.   7   1491  +91  213.00

Two of the greatest can't score on an "easy" pattern.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Edited on 11/10/2008 3:04 PM

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Uhh what? They are 2 of the greatest and they're not scoring well. When did he say something stupid.

You should take your own advise sometimes instead of running around here like some tuff guy calling people names all the time.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Joe Jr on November 10, 2008, 09:47:50 PM
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I remember reading somewhere that the house Carter bowled that season in was wood with guardian? Is that right? Taylor is different, and while easier than a tour shot, this isn't a TRUE wall. You have can have ten boards at the arrows but if you can't carry what does it matter? Tim Mack averaged 190 this week! WTF!!!!!


Looking forward to his report this week.


I also think the league alternated between 1st and 2nd shifts.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: APheLion on November 10, 2008, 10:12:02 PM
gogo parker! another 300

2 300s in 1 day, im speechless
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: jd1319 on November 11, 2008, 07:20:25 AM
So much for WRW not being able to score, 252 average for the 2nd block.  Considering he just won a tourny the day before, had to drive over to Taylor, etc...  He probably just sleep bowled the first block
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: michelle on November 11, 2008, 07:33:07 AM
The problem with a tournament like this is that, while the pattern is described as cake, it becomes a carry contest...and if you aren't carrying, you start pressing, trying to force something to happen- and then you get the fun stuff like blower 7-10's or worse, a slight mishap with four through the face.  

A couple of single pin spares, a nasty split or two and all of a sudden, you are sucking hind tit behind the rest of the field...kinda like league night can be for some people.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: neb5482 on November 11, 2008, 09:36:18 AM
How would you feel if you shots these scores and lost?
Parker Bohn beat up on Haugen Jr. pretty bad.

P. Bohn III     245     268     289     246     232     300         4
M. Haugen Jr    277    267    279    210    279    256       2
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Spider Man on November 11, 2008, 10:06:06 AM
A sleeper has to be Ritchie 'THS' Allen.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on November 11, 2008, 10:06:07 AM
823 his first 3 and loses 2 out of the 3.  That is just sick.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Necromancer on November 11, 2008, 11:07:49 AM
Surprised there weren't more 300 games.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Alakazam on November 11, 2008, 11:17:17 AM
LOL, looks like there were 11 300's thrown yesterday, PB had 2 of them and threw another one this morning.  Dang, another 5 in this mornings round of 32 along with a bunch of 279, 289, 290, 299's, I'd say they're having some fun!
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: APheLion on November 11, 2008, 11:20:02 AM
yea, thats just sick
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When a house bowler misses the mark, misses the break point and strike, for many ppl its called a wallshot. When a pro does that its call adjustment

When a house bowler gets his finger stuck in the ball and fall on the lanes, for many ppl its called lame bowler. When a pro does that its called the Machuga flop! ha i like this one.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: iowalefty on November 11, 2008, 11:30:56 AM
PBIII and robert smith averaged 263 in the round of 32  michael haugen averages 261 and loses to parker mike woolf averaged 272 (!!!) bill o'neill averaged 258.  i think they are adjusting well to the house shot now..lol

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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 11, 2008, 11:34:23 AM
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A sleeper has to be Ritchie 'THS' Allen.
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It's 'THB' Allen. Typical House Bowler.

If he won, that would be HILARIOUS.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: janderson on November 11, 2008, 12:03:04 PM
quote:
Things that make me laugh:
quote:

47  Chris Barnes  Double Oak, Texas   7   1516  +116  216.57
51  Walter Ray Williams Jr.  Ocala, Fla.   7   1491  +91  213.00

Two of the greatest can't score on an "easy" pattern.


Everyone has bad blocks. Everyone. They have good blocks too. From the PBA web site: http://www.pba.com/news/features.asp?ID=2572

quote:

9-GAME BLOCK
2,367, Walter Ray Williams Jr. (Tucson, AZ, 2004)


That tournament was held on Cheetah, in that house it was an easy shot. That's a 263 average for those that don't want to do the math.

You can't summarize a bowler's talent level or ability to score - good, bad, or otherwise - on any condition based on one block of scores.

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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Spider Man on November 11, 2008, 12:30:43 PM
quote:
quote:
A sleeper has to be Ritchie 'THS' Allen.
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It's 'THB' Allen. Typical House Bowler.

If he won, that would be HILARIOUS.
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The horror! If he won, than all the local hacks in every town  - who play outside the ball - would think they had a chance this week.


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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: mmcfarland300 on November 11, 2008, 12:38:16 PM
Richie has come a long way since his THB days, he stopped to help out on a Fundraiser the week before the World Championships and he is still a great guy.  Would like to see him pull this one out.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Spider Man on November 11, 2008, 12:40:02 PM
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Richie has come a long way since his THB days, he stopped to help out on a Fundraiser the week before the World Championships and he is still a great guy.  Would like to see him pull this one out.





Got a tough match now. Down 0-1 to PBIII.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Phoneman on November 11, 2008, 12:51:01 PM
To all you guys that think you are good this is what you need to averaging at your home house to have a chance with these guys.  Maybe this will show the world how good these guys really are....They can sure tear up the easy patterns.  Every time some local nobody ask me why dont you go pro I am going to point to this week as the reason why.  These guys are really good.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: chitown on November 11, 2008, 01:22:44 PM
Robert Smith may be tough to beat on this easy walled up house pattern.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: lsf_21 on November 11, 2008, 02:06:10 PM
a few people that have yet to win a title still in... be fun to see them on the finals.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: SVstar34 on November 11, 2008, 02:13:14 PM
PDW comes back from down 0-2 to win 4-2 to advance

So far, Its Smith, Bohn III, PDW, O'neill, and Edwards... Malott/Rash, Billy O/Wolfe, and Scroggins/Ciccone are all in game 7
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Spider Man on November 11, 2008, 02:26:08 PM
Scroggy looking to come back from 3-1 to take Joe C.
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: snowman4951 on November 11, 2008, 02:31:34 PM
Necro....you still saying Billy O'Neill who? I'm just saying?
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: mmcfarland300 on November 11, 2008, 02:38:42 PM
That is going to be one hell of a match in the round of 8 Maximum Bob Vs Sean Rash.  That should make Necro happy.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: applegam on November 11, 2008, 05:10:10 PM
I'm sorry, but I really hate it when I read stupid posts like this.  I'm not saying this guy is right or wrong, but just because he's not a PBA member does not mean he doesn't have a right to an opinion.  Think about it.  Based on your logic, every member of the sports media would have to be a former player!  How stupid is that?  Do you think Chris Berman has a right to an opinion on the NFL?  I do, and I'm pretty sure he's not a former NFL player.

quote:
and whats your name? how many years have you been on tour? how many PBA titles do you have?

zero? what a shock. might wanna think before you make stupid comments like that.

quote:
Things that make me laugh:
quote:

47  Chris Barnes  Double Oak, Texas   7   1516  +116  216.57
51  Walter Ray Williams Jr.  Ocala, Fla.   7   1491  +91  213.00

Two of the greatest can't score on an "easy" pattern.
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Me: "These lanes are tight. I have 2 boards!"
My buddy with front 8: "Me too!"
Me: "Yeah, but yours both have arrows on them, and an arrow in between!"

Edited on 11/10/2008 3:04 PM

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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: strikealot on November 11, 2008, 05:24:38 PM
wish i could play this far right at my house, there is no way....
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: KennyRambo on November 11, 2008, 05:29:52 PM
You still have to carry.
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: strikealot on November 11, 2008, 07:00:46 PM
really, i thought i was supposed to get 9 all the time..
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Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: KennyRambo on November 11, 2008, 08:07:59 PM
Shotmaking wasn't an issue this week, so of course the best shotmakers(WRW, Barnes) aren't dominating like normal. Their special talent meant nothing this week.



Is there some sort of mandated national house shot where every house plays deep inside? Really?
Title: Re: ultimate scoring championship
Post by: Track_Fanatic on November 11, 2008, 09:12:59 PM
I like your post Rambo.  It fits somewhat.  I will agree partially to that statement.  However, even on their modified house shot, I really don't think it was throw it right or throw it left and watch it come back, you still need to execute.  All bowlers have bad blocks.  Lets see, PB III averaged like what, 253+ up until the round of 8 then only averaged like 218 in the round of 8.  The PBA does have integrity of this game.  I know the scores were high, which was expected.  I can tell you it was not a local THS.