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tonybowls

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Voss is on Fire!!!
« on: April 02, 2005, 09:46:13 AM »
Look at these scores Voss shot the 1st 3 games. Barnes is in big trouble.
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2005, 02:45:06 PM »
Voss was doing 2 things.....his favorite line and looping the entire lane...nothing in between like where CL was.......
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2005, 12:24:25 AM »
I agree with you Lefty!!!!!!!
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tonybowls

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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2005, 04:22:38 AM »
Bruns Lefty is right. Voss could have played a different line. His act is getting old!!!
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DP3

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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2005, 08:32:23 AM »
This is such an armchair bowler's argument.  That show was for 120,000 and a 4 year exemption.  

How many of you guys bowl on the THS where the people who don't know any better blow a hole in the middle of the pattern or the track with the dullest new particle monster on the market?  How many frames do you go right behind their line before you adjust to it?  I'm willing to wager a pretty penny you don't see it right away and make the super instantaneous adjustment.  I know it because I don't even do it all the time until I think about it later.  That's a house shot for maybe a $50 dollar pot(if you even get in).  When that much is on the line for a professional, it's a completely different story.

You say "Play another line" HAHA....funniest thing I've ever heard.  IT's not your house shot when you can just go anywhere and strike.  It's a demanding condition that requires a certain area to be played with a certain type of ball, surface, and drilling.  If it was working all this time for Voss I can see why he was upset when it got blown up on the show.

No one is talking about how he shook the better man's hand after the match, congratulated him on how well he bowled all week, and told him to take the title home.

.....once again, ballreviews members, coach to the touring pros.  I love reading this stuff every week.  I'm gonna miss it when the season is over.


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tonybowls

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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2005, 09:29:53 AM »
This is certainly an interesting argument!! So what that Voss shook the kids hand after the match, Everyone does, it's what he did during the match that is worth discussing. I just am sick of him, His act to me is getting old.
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2005, 10:21:32 AM »
I agree.  I haven't been in the game a decade yet and the drastic changes I've seen since even 1996 have been crazy enough for me to be like, wow, when is the madness going to stop?  Or at least be controlled?  I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks Voss didn't do anything that bad.  Yeah he fried out but he did it for each and every person that bowls that has the same frustration he does.  I am not a Voss fan at all, I personally think his gyrations and celebrations are pretty sickening(I would say gay, lol but I don't want to sound like a 10 year old) but I do understand where the man is coming from and why he did what he did.  Plus he was down like 60 pins, what's wrong with hurrying up and finishing and getting out of your opponets way so that the better man can finish the match.  I see this all the time in scratch tournaments and even some PBA events in matchplay.
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2005, 04:29:05 PM »
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You say "Play another line" HAHA....funniest thing I've ever heard.  IT's not your house shot when you can just go anywhere and strike.  It's a demanding condition that requires a certain area to be played with a certain type of ball, surface, and drilling.  If it was working all this time for Voss I can see why he was upset when it got blown up on the show.
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No one said the entire lane is playable, but if someone has burnt your intended line in front of your eyes, why would you try to force a semi dull particle ball right up the burnt spot?  A no hander on a THS league may be slowly destroying the shot, but that's not his intent.  He also probably isn't accurate enough to blow a consistent hole in the pattern.  If I saw Traber throwing his 80 grit piece of charcoal down 5 for 15 solid minutes, I certainly wouldn't try to play there.  If a pro throws a shot that jumps through the nose, he should know to try something else.  I may question the quality of my release, but Voss is 100 times better than me.  He knows the other guy made a spot to bump off of.  He might not like the practice, but after the 4-6 combo it might have been worth a frame to see if he could have taken advantage of the same spot.

Sure it's armchair quaterbacking, but Voss was stubborn on this occasion.  I do see your point, but I don't agree 100%
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2005, 05:32:26 PM »
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A no hander on a THS league may be slowly destroying the shot, but that's not his intent. He also probably isn't accurate enough to blow a consistent hole in the pattern.


In another light, this is house a house shot can almost become unplayable for 8-10 frames until something else opens up on the lane.  I've been seeing the same thing week in and week out for the past 30 weeks and I'm really dying trying to finish out this season.  I've been finishing out the third game of league lately either playing right on the gutter with a yellow angle, or deep inside from 5th arrow trying to go to the extremes of where everyone else is.  The slightest mistake on my part results in a very bad break while they stay where they are the whole night, luck up a 270-240 game and shoot 190 the last game going brooklyn and not adjusting.  I think my next option in combating that would be to loft the ball 35 feet down the lane over the pattern and just let the backend take it in....take all this oil garbage out of play
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2005, 08:34:51 PM »
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I think my next option in combating that would be to loft the ball 35 feet down the lane over the pattern and just let the backend take it in....take all this oil garbage out of play
 


That is exactly what I do!!  Maybe not 35' but at least out over the arrows.  Everyone always says don't loft the ball, but I used this release to bowl my first 700 series 2 weeks ago (242+214+258=714).
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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2005, 11:07:56 PM »
I know that the likelihood of this if VERY low, but I have to ask...Do you think it's possible Voss didn't adjust on purpose?  In practice, he thought he had a good line, despite what CL was doing.  But 3-4 frames into the match, he realizes he was wrong, but it is too late to adjust because CL has such a great look.  We all know that Brian can adjust, he's been a frickin bowling stud for well over 20 years. So why wouldn't he adjust?  

His options
1) Adjust and shoot a respectable score but lose
2) continue to play your line demonstrating how a tactic you don't agree with can destroy your line.  

He's got his exemption for next year, why not take option #2 since you dont think you can win anyways?  Of ALL the guys on tour, Voss has to be in the top 5 among guys you wouldn't believe would lose their temper...so who better to have a meltdown on National TV.  The new owners of the PBA want ratings above all else, even though he is among the oldest of the exempt players, he is the guy who people (especially the female viewers) want to see on TV every week.  I know if I were one of the owners, I'd stand up and take notice of BV over just about any other guy they got.

Likely?  No.  Possible?  Yes.
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2005, 11:25:18 PM »
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I know that the likelihood of this if VERY low, but I have to ask...Do you think it's possible Voss didn't adjust on purpose?  In practice, he thought he had a good line, despite what CL was doing.  But 3-4 frames into the match, he realizes he was wrong, but it is too late to adjust because CL has such a great look.  We all know that Brian can adjust, he's been a frickin bowling stud for well over 20 years. So why wouldn't he adjust?  

His options
1) Adjust and shoot a respectable score but lose
2) continue to play your line demonstrating how a tactic you don't agree with can destroy your line.  



He's got his exemption for next year, why not take option #2 since you dont think you can win anyways?  Of ALL the guys on tour, Voss has to be in the top 5 among guys you wouldn't believe would lose their temper...so who better to have a meltdown on National TV.  The new owners of the PBA want ratings above all else, even though he is among the oldest of the exempt players, he is the guy who people (especially the female viewers) want to see on TV every week.  I know if I were one of the owners, I'd stand up and take notice of BV over just about any other guy they got.

Likely?  No.  Possible?  Yes.
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Interesting! Like you said though, Likely, No. Possible, Certainly.
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2005, 10:59:48 AM »
You know, I must be dense, I didn't put 2 & 2 together until now. The "blackout" ball that he's been using all year on the show is a silent protest along these very same lines. Personally, I think that he has a valid concern. Maybe we will have to see the PBA tighten up regulations like the PGA, NASCAR, IRL, and so many other sports that technology has affected.

There are lots of clubs out right not that are not allowed for use on the PGA tour. There's no reason that the PBA couldn't do the same thing. The bowling companies could & will continue to produce these super balls for us house hacks, but when the level of competition rises to that of the PBA, there is no reason that tighter regulations can't exist.
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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2005, 11:41:47 AM »
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There are lots of clubs out right not that are not allowed for use on the PGA tour. There's no reason that the PBA couldn't do the same thing. The bowling companies could & will continue to produce these super balls for us house hacks, but when the level of competition rises to that of the PBA, there is no reason that tighter regulations can't exist.


I like that idea!!
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2005, 08:40:22 AM »
First of all, I am a fan of "BV" only because he is a very consistent bowler, versatile and been around for a long time. Back in the late 80's (the good old ABC days) I looked forward to watching him on tv. I understand his beef with the advantage taking place by the bigger handed bowlers or using charcoal up the track to create an area to throw to and score big. Yet if BV says ban sanding bowling balls, why is he throwing a sanded TNT (med/high load particle ball)? Is he getting paid an incentive to throw that ball week in and week out? The onyl time all year he didnt throw that ball ws in Denver when he threw a Titan and had no shot in the finals and lost to TJ. Minimum grit on ANY ball should be 320 and the tv pair should remain untouched until the show has started. Use the pair on the side to warm up, then throw 3 balls per lane with whatever ball they want and then go. A 320 grit particle ball will chew up oil a bit yes, but not to the point of burning out the track over the course of 10 frames. With only 2 matches total bowled for the winner thats not enough time to get a true advantage. If BV is still as good as he was back in the good old days, get AMF to re-release an Angle and use that on tv until the rules change (or get set in place). I am all for using all Plastic/Urethane balls again. I would love to bowl in a "pre 1990" league, in other words, no reactive/particle balls allowed on a old school short oil pattern.
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Re: Voss is on Fire!!!
« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2005, 03:09:50 PM »
The TNT is a very low load particle ball btw.
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