Post by: tonybowls on April 02, 2005, 09:46:13 AM
Post by: Mr Bass on April 02, 2005, 05:55:16 PM
Post by: KR300 on April 02, 2005, 07:31:24 PM
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If you blame the lane conditions for your bad scores, then you had better thank them for your good ones!!
Post by: KR300 on April 02, 2005, 07:31:31 PM
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If you blame the lane conditions for your bad scores, then you had better thank them for your good ones!!
Post by: tonybowls on April 02, 2005, 07:32:47 PM
Post by: matt smith on April 02, 2005, 07:39:48 PM
good luck and high scoring
matt
Post by: tonybowls on April 02, 2005, 07:41:53 PM
Post by: KR300 on April 02, 2005, 07:55:07 PM
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If you blame the lane conditions for your bad scores, then you had better thank them for your good ones!!
Post by: Scratch on April 03, 2005, 03:25:41 PM
It didn't work!!!
Lately whenever I see Voss make the show, he is always over thinking. What do you guys think?
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Post by: Bill Thomas on April 03, 2005, 06:07:38 PM
Edited on 4/3/2005 6:02 PM
Post by: tonybowls on April 03, 2005, 08:36:44 PM
Post by: bowlitup on April 03, 2005, 09:37:56 PM
As for Voss... yeah I agree, not very professional. It sort of cheapened it for Loschetter IMO. I think Voss should have kept his cool, and bowled like it mattered to him. It could have been handled better. But also, I've never been there, so, maybe I don't know.
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Post by: NappyCuts on April 03, 2005, 09:52:35 PM
Post by: Hex017 on April 03, 2005, 09:55:22 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 03, 2005, 10:30:12 PM
Did you, it seemed it was blanked out on my local station.
He said.............WHAT?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS also I was surprised that the great ball the TNT has looked SO bad the last two times seen on TV. Tony ..... and now Voss.
Post by: RandyO on April 04, 2005, 12:00:57 AM
In summary, let's keep it all in perspective. One uncharacteristic display of marginal behavior shouldn't be allowed to diminish a long and successful career.
Post by: BrunsNick on April 04, 2005, 01:28:14 AM
OK, you want to know what happened. 15 minutes of practice, a guy takes a dull sanded ball, and plays right up 7-8-9 towards the 3 pin. In all of my matches, tv, etc. I have never experienced someone purposely not trying to strike, but to build a stripe to bank off when the lights come on. 2 minutes before the show starts, move 10-13 left, and throw it right. This dictates how the lane will be played. When someone does this, they are saying, you will not play right of where I am doing this. You will play left of what I am doing. I don't agree with this. Unfortunately, there's no rule to prevent it. I just couldn't believe what I was seeing right in front of me. How this is supposed to be the most prestigious tournament, yet integrity takes a back seat. It's not his fault, he bowled great all week. Nothing against him, just the rules that allow integrity to be destroyed. What did I say into the camera? BAN SANDING BOWLING BALLS. Read my lips,
Enough said,
I apologize for my behavior, I love this game, just want to see it played fair
BV
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Post by: bowlitup on April 04, 2005, 01:33:21 AM
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Ben W.
Post by: Next Level PS on April 04, 2005, 02:46:18 AM
HEY IF YOU AIN'T TRING TO CHEAT YOU AIN'T TRING TO WIN!!!
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Post by: NOTHUMB on April 04, 2005, 03:02:35 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 04, 2005, 06:41:20 AM
Joe and I were there and I did notice CL throwing a sanded (pretty darn dull) Ultimate ?? couldn't tell....anyhow .....then all the sudden ,...polished Inferno!
I think CL would have done this regardless of who he was bowling against...but BV got the stick here.......
We could not hear what he said into the camera, but saw it happen and couldn't tell what he said either.....
"ban sanding balls" ...that's a little extreme.....
but....I can see why he was pi$$ed ......
BUT ...then again....he could have done the same thing with a different ball, meaning....move where CL was w/ a different ball.....
NLPS...I hope you're kidding....because that comment (in my eyes) would show that you think sandbagging was ok ....and I know you don't
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Post by: Next Level PS on April 04, 2005, 08:10:48 AM
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Edited on 4/4/2005 8:08 AM
Post by: DanH78 on April 04, 2005, 09:03:24 AM
I've said this before, and I still believe it, just because everybody else does it, and it's been done for years, doesn't make it right. CL's ball reaction didn't look as good as it did the first game. And I think that's because he sped up the breakdown of the lanes and didn't know how to adjust to it. You need to play the shot you are given instead of trying to turn the lane into something you can score on.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 04, 2005, 09:22:46 AM
I meant...if you can't beat 'em ...join 'em .....if CL was creating space...then put down the sanded TNT, pick up a polished (insert AMF ball here) and play the same line CL was playing.....
not "create a line" like CL did......just play in the same area w/ a different ball......
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"Oh...that's puce"
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Post by: DanH78 on April 04, 2005, 09:29:19 AM
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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 04, 2005, 09:34:20 AM
wierd thing is...Joe and I were talking after that match, and we both noticed how small his "area" was ...he had NO room for error..and it showed!!
anyhow....
funny thing was...I do remember CL using something really dull,...then went to an inferno! ....AND....I also remember Voss CONSTANTLY fishing during practice to find a line ! All he had on the rack were 2 TNTs and his Baby Ruth spare ball...
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JEFF
"Oh...that's puce"
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Post by: cgilyeat on April 04, 2005, 11:34:15 AM
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HEY IF YOU AIN'T TRING TO CHEAT YOU AIN'T TRING TO WIN!!!
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I read comments like this, and it's no wonder there's no integrity left in bowling. While I think that Voss could have doe something different, I respect his position and his desire to see some integrety returned to the game. However, while it may not be illegal to do what CL did, I would (and do) to question the ethics in it.
Post by: Strokewiththelefthand on April 04, 2005, 11:37:43 AM
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Post by: DanH78 on April 04, 2005, 01:07:22 PM
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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
"I love a martini -- but two at the most. Three I’m under the table; Four, I’m under the host." Dorothy Parker
Post by: Strider on April 04, 2005, 02:36:22 PM
Interesting that the last two "line burners" were both Brunswick boys (Mika a few weeks ago). No confidence in the games or equipment? Have fun with that one!
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Post by: Jeffrevs on April 04, 2005, 02:45:06 PM
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JEFF
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Post by: Scratch on April 05, 2005, 12:24:25 AM
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Dont make me HUNGRY.....You would'nt like me when I'm HUNGRY.
Post by: tonybowls on April 05, 2005, 04:22:38 AM
Post by: DP3 on April 05, 2005, 08:32:23 AM
How many of you guys bowl on the THS where the people who don't know any better blow a hole in the middle of the pattern or the track with the dullest new particle monster on the market? How many frames do you go right behind their line before you adjust to it? I'm willing to wager a pretty penny you don't see it right away and make the super instantaneous adjustment. I know it because I don't even do it all the time until I think about it later. That's a house shot for maybe a $50 dollar pot(if you even get in). When that much is on the line for a professional, it's a completely different story.
You say "Play another line" HAHA....funniest thing I've ever heard. IT's not your house shot when you can just go anywhere and strike. It's a demanding condition that requires a certain area to be played with a certain type of ball, surface, and drilling. If it was working all this time for Voss I can see why he was upset when it got blown up on the show.
No one is talking about how he shook the better man's hand after the match, congratulated him on how well he bowled all week, and told him to take the title home.
.....once again, ballreviews members, coach to the touring pros. I love reading this stuff every week. I'm gonna miss it when the season is over.
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Post by: tonybowls on April 05, 2005, 09:29:53 AM
Post by: DP3 on April 05, 2005, 10:21:32 AM
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Post by: Strider on April 05, 2005, 04:29:05 PM
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You say "Play another line" HAHA....funniest thing I've ever heard. IT's not your house shot when you can just go anywhere and strike. It's a demanding condition that requires a certain area to be played with a certain type of ball, surface, and drilling. If it was working all this time for Voss I can see why he was upset when it got blown up on the show.
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No one said the entire lane is playable, but if someone has burnt your intended line in front of your eyes, why would you try to force a semi dull particle ball right up the burnt spot? A no hander on a THS league may be slowly destroying the shot, but that's not his intent. He also probably isn't accurate enough to blow a consistent hole in the pattern. If I saw Traber throwing his 80 grit piece of charcoal down 5 for 15 solid minutes, I certainly wouldn't try to play there. If a pro throws a shot that jumps through the nose, he should know to try something else. I may question the quality of my release, but Voss is 100 times better than me. He knows the other guy made a spot to bump off of. He might not like the practice, but after the 4-6 combo it might have been worth a frame to see if he could have taken advantage of the same spot.
Sure it's armchair quaterbacking, but Voss was stubborn on this occasion. I do see your point, but I don't agree 100%
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Post by: DP3 on April 05, 2005, 05:32:26 PM
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A no hander on a THS league may be slowly destroying the shot, but that's not his intent. He also probably isn't accurate enough to blow a consistent hole in the pattern.
In another light, this is house a house shot can almost become unplayable for 8-10 frames until something else opens up on the lane. I've been seeing the same thing week in and week out for the past 30 weeks and I'm really dying trying to finish out this season. I've been finishing out the third game of league lately either playing right on the gutter with a yellow angle, or deep inside from 5th arrow trying to go to the extremes of where everyone else is. The slightest mistake on my part results in a very bad break while they stay where they are the whole night, luck up a 270-240 game and shoot 190 the last game going brooklyn and not adjusting. I think my next option in combating that would be to loft the ball 35 feet down the lane over the pattern and just let the backend take it in....take all this oil garbage out of play
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Post by: Scratch on April 05, 2005, 08:34:51 PM
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I think my next option in combating that would be to loft the ball 35 feet down the lane over the pattern and just let the backend take it in....take all this oil garbage out of play
That is exactly what I do!! Maybe not 35' but at least out over the arrows. Everyone always says don't loft the ball, but I used this release to bowl my first 700 series 2 weeks ago (242+214+258=714).
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Post by: DanH78 on April 05, 2005, 11:07:56 PM
His options
1) Adjust and shoot a respectable score but lose
2) continue to play your line demonstrating how a tactic you don't agree with can destroy your line.
He's got his exemption for next year, why not take option #2 since you dont think you can win anyways? Of ALL the guys on tour, Voss has to be in the top 5 among guys you wouldn't believe would lose their temper...so who better to have a meltdown on National TV. The new owners of the PBA want ratings above all else, even though he is among the oldest of the exempt players, he is the guy who people (especially the female viewers) want to see on TV every week. I know if I were one of the owners, I'd stand up and take notice of BV over just about any other guy they got.
Likely? No. Possible? Yes.
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Post by: bowlitup on April 05, 2005, 11:25:18 PM
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I know that the likelihood of this if VERY low, but I have to ask...Do you think it's possible Voss didn't adjust on purpose? In practice, he thought he had a good line, despite what CL was doing. But 3-4 frames into the match, he realizes he was wrong, but it is too late to adjust because CL has such a great look. We all know that Brian can adjust, he's been a frickin bowling stud for well over 20 years. So why wouldn't he adjust?
His options
1) Adjust and shoot a respectable score but lose
2) continue to play your line demonstrating how a tactic you don't agree with can destroy your line.
He's got his exemption for next year, why not take option #2 since you dont think you can win anyways? Of ALL the guys on tour, Voss has to be in the top 5 among guys you wouldn't believe would lose their temper...so who better to have a meltdown on National TV. The new owners of the PBA want ratings above all else, even though he is among the oldest of the exempt players, he is the guy who people (especially the female viewers) want to see on TV every week. I know if I were one of the owners, I'd stand up and take notice of BV over just about any other guy they got.
Likely? No. Possible? Yes.
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The clock on the wall says 3 O'Clock...last call...for Alcohol!
"I love a martini -- but two at the most. Three I’m under the table; Four, I’m under the host." Dorothy Parker
Interesting! Like you said though, Likely, No. Possible, Certainly.
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Post by: Bjaardker on April 06, 2005, 10:59:48 AM
There are lots of clubs out right not that are not allowed for use on the PGA tour. There's no reason that the PBA couldn't do the same thing. The bowling companies could & will continue to produce these super balls for us house hacks, but when the level of competition rises to that of the PBA, there is no reason that tighter regulations can't exist.
Post by: Scratch on April 06, 2005, 11:41:47 AM
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There are lots of clubs out right not that are not allowed for use on the PGA tour. There's no reason that the PBA couldn't do the same thing. The bowling companies could & will continue to produce these super balls for us house hacks, but when the level of competition rises to that of the PBA, there is no reason that tighter regulations can't exist.
I like that idea!!
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Post by: laner7pin on April 07, 2005, 08:40:22 AM
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Post by: DP3 on April 07, 2005, 03:09:50 PM
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Post by: CoachJim on April 07, 2005, 04:18:59 PM
The reason he played that line, if he throws it straight (his "A" game) he strikes, if he doesn't he doesn't. I would imagine the hamstring injury didn't help him any and made him pull up and get around those two shots. I would imagine that Voss being the ultra competitive player he is would get frustrated more by the injury and the bad shot it caused than the way Chris was playing the lanes, but he chose to blame Chris blowing a hole in the pattern and lost his head. I'm not trying to make excuses for BV or justifying it in any way, just trying to put things in perspective.
Here is what will happen if they change the rules.
1. scores will go down on TV. Having proved by the PBA changing from the sport patterns of a few years ago to the more open scoring environment of today, that the ratings are higher if the scores are higher, I don't see them changing anything that would make the scores drop significantly.
2. Limiting the differential in bowling balls. Most pros use pin placements at 5"+ which in and of itself lowers the differential as it is. If they are forced to use lower dif balls, they would just use stronger pin placements to make up for it.
3. Limiting the grit of the ball. I agree with this one. They shouldn't be allowed to use balls that they have no intention of using on tv or competition, like an 80 grit ball. With that being said they can still burn a path to the pocket with 320 grit, it would just take a little longer, not much longer either.