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Walter Ray
« on: November 26, 2008, 11:18:51 AM »
I was sitting here wondering, how does Walter play the lanes so straight, when it looks like he hits the crap out of the ball on the bottom?  I mean how does he get the super reactive equipment to react the way he does?
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008, 07:19:58 PM »
Really weak drillings
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 07:23:53 PM »
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Really weak drillings


Exactly. I think he usually does a pin up high or pin up between the bridge?
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 07:38:21 PM »
You also have to realize he has Mo Pinel behind him.. Mo can probably layout anything Walter would want to see on the lanes. So take Mo's genious(ness) and Walter Ray's game, and I'm sure you can figure out the rest of the picture. Also, Mo's stuff seems to be a little rollier on today's patterns, which also smooths out his reaction.
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 09:46:55 PM »
actually, walter ray williams, jr., doesn't usually use weaker drilling patterns. if you have watched the pba telecasts over the years you will usually see the pin placement on his equipment appx. 4-4 1/2" from his pap. he will fine tune the coverstock to suit the lane condition. the rest is talent.....speed control, accuracy, loft, angle, axis rotation, etc.
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2008, 01:01:38 AM »
If you play straight enough, you can reduce the lane conditions effect on the equation.  WRW combines a straight game with a deadly ability to be accurate and repeat shots.
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2008, 02:00:53 AM »
i remember on a previous telecast, they were using CATS, and his speed clocked in at just over 20mph.

there's another reason.
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2008, 09:10:17 AM »
He doesn't hit the ball, it just looks like he does.  If you can, slow mo his release.
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008, 09:22:10 AM »
Pin above the ring drillings are not weak drillings, they are actually strong. The higher the pin, the longer the ball will go..

Placing the pin in the bridge is also not a weak drill, not the strongest, but also not weak.

If you get the pin above or beside your ring finger (for a rh bowler), now thats a weaker drilling..
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008, 09:32:20 AM »
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Pin above the ring drillings are not weak drillings, they are actually strong. The higher the pin, the longer the ball will go..

Placing the pin in the bridge is also not a weak drill, not the strongest, but also not weak.

If you get the pin above or beside your ring finger (for a rh bowler), now thats a weaker drilling..


All of that is dependent on your PAP.  For Mike Fagan (the exempt one, not the 161-average one), pin above the bridge is close to leverage.  For me, pin above the bridge is extremely weak.  My PAP is in the 6" range while Fagan's is more like 3.5".

Greg and Milk are right.  Most of WRW's stuff is drilled pretty strong, in the 4-4 1/2" range with the MB in the strong position.  He makes his adjustments with surface and has a pretty high ball speed.

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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 03:41:20 PM »
tom em it doesnt look like he hits the ball all that much he just lifts really hard at the bottom and has more end over end roll that makes it grab earlier and be more even
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 06:08:23 PM »
this is probably what i like about walter ray's game the most. he drills up less new stuff than almost anyone else on tour and finds a way to make the equipment work.
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2008, 06:20:37 PM »
He was also winning many many titles before he went with Mo
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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2008, 06:49:36 PM »
I would guess that 98 percent of the time WRW uses strong layouts.  Most of the time his pin placement is usually in the 3 3/8" to 4.5" range.  He also uses strong MB placements.

It's easy to see how WRW ball reactions are usually controlled on the backend.  More of an arc type reaction most of the time.  Have you ever heard of drilling a ball strong to control the break point?  It's true!  Strong pin placements cause the bowling ball to flare a lot.  It also causes the ball to flare early which helps the ball layoff a little bit on the backend.  I feel this is why WRW likes the reaction he gets using strong pin placements.

WRW also has more of an end over end type of roll which is also more controllable on the back ends.  Combine that with his faster ball speed and dead nuts accuracy and you got one tough bowler!

 




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Re: Walter Ray
« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2008, 06:56:33 PM »
I typically steer clear of these conversations---but I saw someone said "His ability to repeat shots".

As a quote from someone who watched alot of games WRW bowled and fed him equipment (as Walter typically has very little idea when it comes to this)---"Walter has an amazing ability to change something in the middle of his shot to adjust for a mistake"....

Meaning---when he pulls it, his hand will often end up behind the ball so the ball holds line. And when he misses out, he tends to get his hand more around the ball. The "typical" bowler is the exact opposite. If they miss in, their hand ends up on top of the ball, so there is no layoff. And when they miss right, they tend to have their hand more open.

His mistakes are backwards to everyone and they result in him being what he is. A fabulous bowler with a great ability to know what his body is doing at all times.

Note this is not to discount his accuracy---but there are more accurate players on tour from just hitting a mark standpoint. What he does, opens up so much for him that others cant.
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