Post by: armswing on March 23, 2008, 05:34:02 AM
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Post by: Midnighter on March 23, 2008, 01:35:42 PM
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Post by: Dewey24 on March 23, 2008, 01:37:12 PM
Post by: lsf_21 on March 23, 2008, 01:38:36 PM
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I think it was an equipment issue. What was he throwing anyway?????
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Post by: strikeking on March 23, 2008, 01:41:53 PM
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Post by: lsf_21 on March 23, 2008, 01:45:01 PM
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It looked to me like Pete was intimidated by Jones' power and tried to match his hook to Tommy's.
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Post by: spartanplayaAA on March 23, 2008, 01:50:46 PM
Post by: lsf_21 on March 23, 2008, 01:52:46 PM
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pete started with a jolt pearl on the right lane and a gravity shift on the left lane....he later went to the jolt pearl on both lanes, then at the end of the match threw his rapid fire on both lanes....
that was a thunderstruck not jolt pearl
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Post by: xxZonexx on March 23, 2008, 02:04:42 PM
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Post by: Russell on March 23, 2008, 02:11:25 PM
He said at the end he just played them wrong, he tried to play them like he did all week and didn't actually play what was out there.
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Post by: Wilbert on March 23, 2008, 02:17:09 PM
Post by: Quadrajet on March 23, 2008, 02:27:24 PM
Tommy never had a problem because he was throwing it through their lines and out to his own breakpoint, much further out and down than those guys. Their lines never had any effect on his ball reaction at all, so well played, that was a great show.
Post by: luv2C10falll on March 23, 2008, 02:30:03 PM
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Post by: Xfest on March 23, 2008, 02:34:02 PM
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Somebody mentioned a Rock,thats a columbia ball.Pete's been with storm for along time.I think that guy needs a new HD tv
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Rock has in "bowling ball." lol.. wow.
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Post by: lsf_21 on March 23, 2008, 02:42:46 PM
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Somebody mentioned a Rock,thats a columbia ball.Pete's been with storm for along time.I think that guy needs a new HD tv
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Rock has in "bowling ball." lol.. wow.
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hell i think im closer atleast im in the right company.
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Post by: luv2C10falll on March 23, 2008, 03:10:20 PM
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Post by: lsf_21 on March 23, 2008, 04:15:53 PM
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Pete could have been throwing a ball with robot arms, nobody was beating TJ today.
When I saw his first shot, I pretty much knew it was over. Anytime he can wheel it right at 21+ MPH, he's gold. The only other person who can compete with him is Maximum Bob.
Awesome display today, fun to watch.
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Post by: BowlerKidR on March 23, 2008, 05:03:35 PM
Im going to say that the fact that he preformed so poorly in his last two telecasts, with just bowling poorly and tripping over himself and fouling just got to his head and is freaking him out. I think its pretty difficult to go and average 250 for a week and then just suck, especially for someone of PDW's ability.
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Post by: bstone on March 23, 2008, 05:35:04 PM
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When I saw his first shot, I pretty much knew it was over. Anytime he can wheel it right at 21+ MPH, he's gold. The only other person who can compete with him is Maximum Bob.
man Tommy was THROWING the ball hard. ringing 10 pins 6 was FLYING over the 10.
if he was throwing that hard all week I can't believe the shape he must be in.
does TJ put his thumb in 1st all the time or was that an adjustment or an illusion?
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Post by: lsf_21 on March 23, 2008, 05:40:39 PM
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When I saw his first shot, I pretty much knew it was over. Anytime he can wheel it right at 21+ MPH, he's gold. The only other person who can compete with him is Maximum Bob.
man Tommy was THROWING the ball hard. ringing 10 pins 6 was FLYING over the 10.
if he was throwing that hard all week I can't believe the shape he must be in.
does TJ put his thumb in 1st all the time or was that an adjustment or an illusion?
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Edited on 3/23/2008 5:35 PM
puts it in first everytime
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Post by: charlest on March 23, 2008, 06:41:46 PM
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was it ball choice or ball speed? what do you think guys.
was speed the issue for PETE?
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Nope. I think he was pretty far off in 2 major aspects: timing and release mostly. It really looked like he didn't want to be there.
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Post by: Joe Jr on March 23, 2008, 06:47:55 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on March 23, 2008, 06:55:32 PM
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Pete's lost his spark, his demeanor that has made him so successful on television. He's a different man and I don't think we'll see him win another title the way he is now.
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Yet we saw him make the show and lead the pack up until the final match on a pattern that he has rarely had success on? I think you're barking up the wrong tree...
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Post by: Joe Jr on March 23, 2008, 07:00:35 PM
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Pete's lost his spark, his demeanor that has made him so successful on television. He's a different man and I don't think we'll see him win another title the way he is now.
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Yet we saw him make the show and lead the pack up until the final match on a pattern that he has rarely had success on? I think you're barking up the wrong tree...
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I don't think so, qualifying and the show are too different animals. You have to admit that he has carried himself differently this season then in the past, he looks nervous and uncomfortable out there and he has only looked good once or twice in the past 5-6 shows.
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Post by: actsbowler21 on March 23, 2008, 07:57:50 PM
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at the end of the match, pete said that instead of trying to play where he was all week he should havee played what was out there. so i dont think that speed was an issue for him.
another issue/s he seemed to be having trouble with was his foot speed and letting the ball off of his hand. he was falling out of a lot his shots.
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I do believe that is close to what Pete said. He almost looked like he was forcing the reaction he had during the week instead of adjusting quickly to what was left out there from the previous matches.
Either way, something doesn't seem with Pete this year on the show. The fire is not there and he's almost constantly in a state of loss with his reactions. Still has the best form on tour in my opinion. Even in his epic match with Rhino a few weeks back, he just didn't seem like the old PDW..
Is it me or are both PDW and WRW both getting frustrated a lot quicker on the shows. My g/f and I both discussed it, and it just seems like with these two being a couple of the elders out on tour, maybe age has something to do with it.
Parker even this year when he let a shot go that maybe he should have struck on, had a look of frustration, even when he was ahead in matches..
And I feel the only reason we didn't get the same reaction out of Norm at the world championships was because he was sick.. Cause when he asked for Tape he had a tone that was less than pleasant.
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Post by: actsbowler21 on March 23, 2008, 07:59:20 PM
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When I saw his first shot, I pretty much knew it was over. Anytime he can wheel it right at 21+ MPH, he's gold. The only other person who can compete with him is Maximum Bob.
man Tommy was THROWING the ball hard. ringing 10 pins 6 was FLYING over the 10.
if he was throwing that hard all week I can't believe the shape he must be in.
does TJ put his thumb in 1st all the time or was that an adjustment or an illusion?
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Edited on 3/23/2008 5:35 PM
TJ puts thumb in first and twist it around to his fingers each time..Don't know why, but I sat and watched him bowl in person for a day and he did the same thing all day long..
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Post by: Juggernaut on March 23, 2008, 08:10:59 PM
I think something is going on with Pete, either personally or professionally, that has him not being able to give his bowling 100% concentration and effort.
Whatever is causing it, I hope it is only small and temporary. While not Pete's biggest fan, he is great for the game and a very talented bowler, both of which make him good for me in the long run.
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Post by: charlest on March 23, 2008, 09:30:55 PM
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Lately, Pete has looked like a man with a LOT on his mind. Almost seems distracted some of the time.
I think something is going on with Pete, either personally or professionally, that has him not being able to give his bowling 100% concentration and effort.
Whatever is causing it, I hope it is only small and temporary. While not Pete's biggest fan, he is great for the game and a very talented bowler, both of which make him good for me in the long run.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on March 24, 2008, 09:15:15 AM
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I think Pete made a comment about he should play what was out there (what was on the lanes now) and not the shot he played all week..
Right. I was kind of wondering if this would happen. I was wondering if the shot that was out there all week where Pete was lighting it up would be the same as the bowlers breaking the pair down before the show, lights, and then 3 matches on it before they got to Pete's match.
I believe it when he said he shot that spare the same way all week and it never hooked.
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Post by: scotts33 on March 24, 2008, 09:28:58 AM
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believe it when he said he shot that spare the same way all week and it never hooked
And that's why WRW is so good cuz he throws that thump-thump-thump straight at 'em roll over the finger/thumb hole if there is oil or no oil it still goes straight at single pin spares. Doesn't matter if they are dry or oily.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on March 24, 2008, 09:49:32 AM
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Lately, Pete has looked like a man with a LOT on his mind. Almost seems distracted some of the time.
I think something is going on with Pete, either personally or professionally, that has him not being able to give his bowling 100% concentration and effort.
Whatever is causing it, I hope it is only small and temporary. While not Pete's biggest fan, he is great for the game and a very talented bowler, both of which make him good for me in the long run.
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Agreed.
His footwork was off (again--remember him tripping and almost falling down a few shows ago), and thus his timing just didn't look right.
It's very difficult to roll the ball properly with the right amount of speed, revs and roll (all seemed off for Pete), and then try to compete against someone that is just on fire, like Tommy was yesterday.
I also believe there must be something going on with him on a personal level; when he discarded his sunglasses at the end of the show, the dark rings around his eyes were huge--an indication that he most likely has not been able to sleep, either due to the excitement of having made TV, or because he might've had a few too many scotches, or perhaps something with the old lady, or a combination of all, or some other bugaboo. Whatever his circumstances, it did not bear well for him.
As far as being too old to perform, that's out of the question, for if that were true, how then would he out-average everyone during the week by a pretty decent margin?
It could also be that once again it just wasn't his day. Happens to everyone.
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Post by: Bowlin for Beer on March 24, 2008, 09:50:06 AM
Shoot, I wish I could lose it that bad.
Anyway, it looked like the lanes were getting fried and his ball was hooking too much right out of the gate. Against Tommy Jones (judging by his first two games) PDW had to do something and quick. I believe he tried to increase his ball speed more than he was comfortable with and it threw his timing off. He was grabbing at a lot of releases - tugging it left of mark and going in high, or not getting enough rotation and leaving a washout. You could see him making a fist right at his release and then trying to open his hand immediately afterward. He was trying to give that open hand at the release, but if your timing is off you can't help but grab it.
Post by: KDawg77 on March 24, 2008, 09:51:36 AM
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Post by: BowlingWolf on March 24, 2008, 10:01:12 AM
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How long did it take on this thread for someone to say that Pete said something about playing what the lane gave him? Man, for some of you who actually watch the telecast, you sure don't pay attention to balls and the players.
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Pete's a consumate professional; he had plenty of practice shots to figure things out and he used the line that he thought was best from the very beginning.
Deciding on a proper line and which ball to use is a pure guess, and Pete probably didn't figure out the line properly for himself.
Unfortunately, the game goes by pretty quickly, and you can't go back and start over again, and yesterday even if that were allowed, Tommy Jones would still win, as he played that pattern like he owned it.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on March 24, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
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How about this, Tommy bowled good, and Pete bowled bad. You guys always overanalize the show, and most of you dont know what your talking about.
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Post by: Russell on March 24, 2008, 11:08:02 AM
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How about this, Tommy bowled good, and Pete bowled bad. You guys always overanalize the show, and most of you dont know what your talking about.
+1
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Post by: novawagonmaster on March 24, 2008, 04:51:50 PM
One could not ask for a better armswing and release, but that guy has the mental game of a peanut. When you let the negative self talk get the better of you, it's "GAME OVER".
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Post by: bighook69 on March 24, 2008, 05:01:21 PM
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First of all, then man was second seed in the tournament... lost his edge?
Shoot, I wish I could lose it that bad.
Anyway, it looked like the lanes were getting fried and his ball was hooking too much right out of the gate. Against Tommy Jones (judging by his first two games) PDW had to do something and quick. I believe he tried to increase his ball speed more than he was comfortable with and it threw his timing off. He was grabbing at a lot of releases - tugging it left of mark and going in high, or not getting enough rotation and leaving a washout. You could see him making a fist right at his release and then trying to open his hand immediately afterward. He was trying to give that open hand at the release, but if your timing is off you can't help but grab it.
+1
I have bowled with Pete before and he litrally throws it 16-17mph (even had clocks on the pair that said about 16.7ish) and yesturday he was trying to throw it around 20... just not Pete's game at all.
Pete eigher has to win this week at the open, and get his head back in the game come TV day or take the break and just relax and come back as good as he was last season!
and for the guy who said he is loosing his look... he is in the top 5 for most top 10 finishes this year... he just needs to get it back together on TV!
Post by: Tugger on March 24, 2008, 05:11:07 PM
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When I saw his first shot, I pretty much knew it was over. Anytime he can wheel it right at 21+ MPH, he's gold. The only other person who can compete with him is Maximum Bob.
man Tommy was THROWING the ball hard. ringing 10 pins 6 was FLYING over the 10.
if he was throwing that hard all week I can't believe the shape he must be in.
does TJ put his thumb in 1st all the time or was that an adjustment or an illusion?
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Edited on 3/23/2008 5:35 PM
puts it in first everytime
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back in 2006, I had a chance to meet Tommy along with the other high school teams that made it to the State Championship. He came in a threw a couple balls, then we got to ask him questions. One of my team mates asked him why he put his thumb in the ball first and his reply was that he has always done it that way since he started bowling, and that he has tried to switch to fingers first but it just isn't as comfortable. The best question of the night though was when a kid stood up and asked if he could have Tommy's ball ( a ONE from Ebonite) and he said sure and pulled out a sharpie and signed it and handed it to him. That kids face was priceless..
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Post by: ozsweet on March 25, 2008, 04:59:29 AM
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