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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: charlest on March 31, 2013, 09:41:38 PM
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So how did he get a ball like this to roll out at the pocket on almost every shot?
Touch?
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He is just that good.
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he used two. pin up and pin down. If I remember he was on the left lane with the pin down ball it jumped early so on the right he used the pin up ball.
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you hit it charlest...touch
The best players in the game have the ability to put just enough on the ball to get the job done.
This is one of the things that separates the best from the rest. Duke, Walter and PDW have the ability to do such things. Bowlers like TJ and Rash have not yet learned that. Sometimes power wins but more often than not when things get tough the touch players will typically win out.
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Check out this Storm video at around the 3:16 mark and listen to Doene, Randy and Del talking about this subject, very informative:
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It takes a firm wrist and soft hands. I can score very well when I can do both, the problem is when my wrist is firm, i get grabby. When I get too soft with the hands the wrist gets soft. Tough to do both. Pete is the greatest at it.
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I'd agree with the touch response. Mr. Weber has more talent than just about any bowler ever. His balance at the line, smooth release, not jacking on it, tilt makes the ball float thru the heads and mid-lane and his axis rotation makes the ball respond to friction well without over reacting.
Put him with great equipment, matched up to the condition and he's just about unbeatable.
It was great to see him beat the hi rev players.
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That ball looked my Wii ball, LoL!!
That was some fun bowling. I was actually looking forward to all of those matches yesterday. Even though the Rash/Belmonte matchup made for great drama, I was hoping TJ would beat Rash.
Congrats to PDW! What a great bowler.
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Agreed. Pete took that pattern, and got the ball to do what no one else's could do. Hit the friction, and roll out high flush. That's why he's the best out there, at 50.
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I was at the Tourny and agree that PDW looked great. What surprised me is that PDW could not find the pocket with either his pin up IQ Pearl, his Pin down IQ Pearl or his HyRoad during pre match warm up. Everything he threw in pre match high went thru the nose and left ugly stuff while Belmo had a great look. PDW had a nervous look on his face as he was talking to Del right before airtime.
We the lights came up, PDW's shot was perfect. Go figure. It was pretty impressive.
M
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Check out this Storm video at around the 3:16 mark and listen to Doene, Randy and Del talking about this subject, very informative:
Great find, Norm! I enjoyed the ell out of that video. Thanks for sharing it here.
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here's the complete match
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Pete's release is the envy of the industry. I'd take it over anyone's game on tour. Power can be impressive at times, but "poetry in motion" is so fun to watch.
Power and revs need head oil, while PDW can get the ball to glide through the area those guys have long vacated. Norm Duke also comes to mind as one who can finesse it well. Del Ballard should get more credit for his talents in helping the guys on tour.
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So how did he get a ball like this to roll out at the pocket on almost every shot?
Touch?
I think it was a combination of everything. You have Weber who is arguably the greatest of all time, that includes the swing, footwork, touch or lack there of at the bottom and so on. Now match that up with professionals whos main job is to target and identify proper ball motion capable of a high strike percentage you get what we witnessed at the TOC.
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It was funny listening to the commentators talking about how Weber could not loft the gutter cap and how he might have trouble because the lanes were burnt. I could not recall ever seeing Weber loft the gutter cap and fully expected that he would finesse the shot, either from the inside or extreme outside up the twig. Would have expected the same out of Norm Duke.
Fun match to watch. I believe Weber changed to the pin up on both lanes by the end of the match.
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If PDW was nervous before the match, and had no look during practice, it sounds like he took a page out of Earl Anthony's playbook: something like "I don't know Bo, I can't hit the pocket, nothing feels right, the lanes are playing different than all week. It'll be a challenge"..then he shoots 250+. I'm sure Del Ballard had something to do with the adjustments too. I watched the the show, and that match was something else.
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I remember Amleto using that roll out shot all the time.
You have to be pretty precise because if it rolls out too soon it hits like a pumpkin.
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My brother and I were having a discussion about who the best is overall, Walter or Pete? I said "All time? Pete. After resin came out, Pete." He was confused by that, and asked why. I said "Walter went nuts from 93-now. Pete revamped his game to work with resin, has done pretty dang well after the revamp, and is stomping on guys 20 years younger than he on a daily basis. Also, I've never heard anyone say "I want to throw it like Walter Ray." Pete > Walter Ray, IMO.
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Also, I've never heard anyone say "I want to throw it like Walter Ray." Pete > Walter Ray, IMO.
Well, I am far from a WRW fan but allow meto alter your statement to make it true....
"I've never heard anyone say they want to throw it like Walter, but I have heard plenty say I would love to have the money made by throwing it like Walter."
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Pete's release is the envy of the industry. I'd take it over anyone's game on tour. Power can be impressive at times, but "poetry in motion" is so fun to watch.
Power and revs need head oil, while PDW can get the ball to glide through the area those guys have long vacated. Norm Duke also comes to mind as one who can finesse it well. Del Ballard should get more credit for his talents in helping the guys on tour.
PDW has to be one of the most technically sound bowlers that we have ever seen. Definitely one of the best matches in a long time and his ball motion was a thing of beauty.
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The 11th Frame: Pete Weber’s TOC win raises question of why majors don’t matter as much in bowling as golf
http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5788
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Also, I've never heard anyone say "I want to throw it like Walter Ray." Pete > Walter Ray, IMO.
Well, I am far from a WRW fan but allow meto alter your statement to make it true....
"I've never heard anyone say they want to throw it like Walter, but I have heard plenty say I would love to have the money made by throwing it like Walter."
Not many may want to have thrown it like WRW but I would take his accuracy over anyone's, hands down.
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Oh, not debating Walter Ray's results. That would be ignorant of me. What I am saying is no one would want to do it the way Walter does. He defies convention, and wrecks.
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The 11th Frame: Pete Weber’s TOC win raises question of why majors don’t matter as much in bowling as golf
http://11thframe.com/page/blog_id_5788
I think majors matter in bowling... It's just that top leaders in them are all bunched together... Not like golf where you have 2 clear cut leaders.
And after reading your link, Don Carter is getting hosed. He should be mentioned right up there with the top major leaders... Not sure of his total wins, guess I could google it.
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Carter only has like 8 PBA wins but he was pretty much done early in PBA history and he and Weber absolutely owned the early PBA.
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Oh, I was talking total wins non-pba & pba, major & non-major as well...
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He is just that good.
Yup.
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So how did he get a ball like this to roll out at the pocket on almost every shot?
Touch?
To me it seemed Pete's ball was hooked out, but certainly not rolled out. It was still hitting crisp. Another benefit of high axis rotation. Simply put, when you have high rotation (and sufficient friction, but we could see that was there) then precession becomes your friend. Precession is the change in rotational force that we bowlers commonly refer to as "facing up".
Pete Weber's ball takes longer to face up and therefore longer to roll out because it needs more lane time to turn the ball from 75° of rotation back to almost 0° of dead roll. And all that precession time means the rev rate is accelerating as the ball speed is slowing. So Pete's beautiful stroke keeps the ball alive, thriving in fact!
And yeah, he is that good too! Jeez, he's Pete Weber! :)
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Pete has the most axis rotation of any top player out there. That can be a blessing and a curse. A lot of conditions today really favor lower axis rotation. However when he hits a condition that rewards such a high rotation he is almost unbeatable because of his execution, and the fact nobody else can really match his release. The young guys are mostly using massive speed to create skid with their low axis rotations and high rev rates. I think you can be more versatile with such an approach, but there are always going to be conditions that favor something different.