My brother and I were having a discussion about who the best is overall, Walter or Pete? I said "All time? Pete. After resin came out, Pete." He was confused by that, and asked why. I said "Walter went nuts from 93-now. Pete revamped his game to work with resin, has done pretty dang well after the revamp, and is stomping on guys 20 years younger than he on a daily basis. Also, I've never heard anyone say "I want to throw it like Walter Ray." Pete > Walter Ray, IMO.