Post by: agroves on February 03, 2008, 08:49:51 PM
Ciccone's big whiff?
Scroggy throws it "like a league bowler" and splits the tenth?
Fagan whiffs?
Seriously, were we spoiled watching guys excel under pressure? I watch to see them excel when it counts.
People love golf b/c they want to see Tiger do things they cannot. I watch every week in amazement of what that guy does. I am amazed by what I see on the PBA telecasts but for different reasons, however, it does make for entertaining television.
Maybe the planets are out of alignment....
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on February 04, 2008, 09:45:39 AM
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Post by: thecrapshoveler on February 04, 2008, 09:57:47 AM
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One thing to remember, these guy are doing this on patterns that you and I would average 30 pins a game less on (give or take). Having just bowled a PBA regional this weekend, and tugging one about a board inside my mark and watching it leave the 3-4-6-7, to esentially lose my match, I understand how these shots can make someone look "average". It's not like they are doing this on some easy china house shot. So the average league bowler (not saying you are this agroves) needs to take things like this into account before thinking these guys are "failing".
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Yes, but Ciccone missing a very easy spare conversion is very "un-professional", I can honestly say that I've never seen a pro miss an easy spair conversion when it really mattered. Maybe a ten pin here or there, but two pins in the dead center of the lane?!?!
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Post by: nothintodobutbowl on February 04, 2008, 10:04:29 AM
You, much like myself with a "185ish" average cannot talk about easy spares. If spares were easy, you would average 210.
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Post by: Jorge300 on February 04, 2008, 10:11:54 AM
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One thing to remember, these guy are doing this on patterns that you and I would average 30 pins a game less on (give or take). Having just bowled a PBA regional this weekend, and tugging one about a board inside my mark and watching it leave the 3-4-6-7, to esentially lose my match, I understand how these shots can make someone look "average". It's not like they are doing this on some easy china house shot. So the average league bowler (not saying you are this agroves) needs to take things like this into account before thinking these guys are "failing".
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Yes, but Ciccone missing a very easy spare conversion is very "un-professional", I can honestly say that I've never seen a pro miss an easy spair conversion when it really mattered. Maybe a ten pin here or there, but two pins in the dead center of the lane?!?!
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Do you actually know anything about bowling???? Just asking seriously. A single pin spare, whether a 10 pin (or a 7 pin for a lefty) is an easier spare then any 2 pin spare combination. When there are multiple pins there is added level of complexity to making the spare. All I am saying is that the people making the biggest stink about this, in this thread and others, couldn't do much better on these patterns. And in the long run would fall short of the scores of those we see on TV, even when they make mistakes. So bashing them about it just shows the lack of intelligence of the posters. Should Ciccone have made the spare, probably, but I bet a lot of these people posting have missed a spare in the tenth frame in their house league, bowling on a much much easier condition.
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Post by: nothintodobutbowl on February 04, 2008, 10:13:41 AM
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Post by: rotomike on February 04, 2008, 10:42:53 AM
Show the Joy Esterson Liz Johnson match again. Joy making an alignment adjustment in the tenth and punching out. Liz punching out in the tenth to get to a roll-off. Joy high-flushes the shot in the roll-off.
No yanks no easy misses no excuses!!!!!
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Post by: nothintodobutbowl on February 04, 2008, 10:51:41 AM
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Post by: Russell on February 04, 2008, 11:03:35 AM
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Dump the guys and put the girls back on!!!!
Show the Joy Esterson Liz Johnson match again. Joy making an alignment adjustment in the tenth and punching out. Liz punching out in the tenth to get to a roll-off. Joy high-flushes the shot in the roll-off.
No yanks no easy misses no excuses!!!!!
yay.....more of Liz playing uphill across the 5 board....more of seeing the 10 pin go down late and spare balls whizz down the lane at an amazing 17 miles per hour.
Sign me up.....the sponsors won't be able to contain their wallets.
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Post by: Danes07 on February 04, 2008, 11:15:21 AM
Pro baseball players go into slumps, make errors, strike out. Pro golfers push shots, pull shots, miss easy putts, make mental errors. If no other pro athletes are perfect, how can we expect professional bowlers to be perfect?
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on February 04, 2008, 11:54:41 AM
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yay.....more of Liz playing uphill across the 5 board....more of seeing the 10 pin go down late and spare balls whizz down the lane at an amazing 17 miles per hour.
Sign me up.....the sponsors won't be able to contain their wallets.
Actually I would like to see that sort of game.
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Post by: Danes07 on February 04, 2008, 12:01:58 PM
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yay.....more of Liz playing uphill across the 5 board....more of seeing the 10 pin go down late and spare balls whizz down the lane at an amazing 17 miles per hour.
Sign me up.....the sponsors won't be able to contain their wallets.
Actually I would like to see that sort of game.
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Yeah, same here. They are every bit as good as the male pro's.
And what is the problem with a spare ball only going 17 MPH? I usually only throw my spares are around 15-16 MPH and do just fine.
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Post by: JoeBowler on February 04, 2008, 12:55:19 PM
Not enouf will watch now.
Post by: rotomike on February 04, 2008, 01:00:37 PM
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Post by: Monster Pike on February 04, 2008, 01:07:37 PM
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Not enuff people watched the women when they had there own tour....
Not enouf will watch now.
I'll watch em'.
ANd that was an easy spare Ciccone missed. He didn't even come close, let alone not getting 1 of the 2. And he threw straight at it. The pattern had nothing to do with him missing way left. If anything he should have missed right if it was the tough pattern's fault.
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Post by: charlest on February 04, 2008, 01:13:07 PM
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One thing to remember, these guy are doing this on patterns that you and I would average 30 pins a game less on (give or take).
The results we have been seeing for the past few years make me doubt that.
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Having just bowled a PBA regional this weekend, and tugging one about a board inside my mark and watching it leave the 3-4-6-7, to esentially lose my match, I understand how these shots can make someone look "average". It's not like they are doing this on some easy china house shot. So the average league bowler (not saying you are this agroves) needs to take things like this into account before thinking these guys are "failing".
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Many regionals can be hard, very hard. No doubt abut that.
Even taking that into account, the fiascos that Agroves mentioning are worth more serious consideration than sheer dismissal because you or I have seen some very hard regional conditions.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on February 04, 2008, 08:56:49 PM