Post by: chipmunkbowler on July 06, 2009, 05:45:19 PM
the plastic ball championship is now being bowled on the new shark 43 feet kinda like a reverse block. the scorpion is now the 'slickest' pattern
what are they trying to do they need to face it these guys are the best and they can find the right angle on almost and lane condition
Post by: kcbruns300 on July 07, 2009, 04:03:49 AM
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Post by: riggs on July 07, 2009, 07:36:24 AM
Post by: Danes07 on July 07, 2009, 08:15:35 AM
It makes it much more interesting year to year if they modify them and keep things fresh....keep the guys guessing. You'll know who are the best bowlers in the tour as the ones that have success year to year on patterns that are different than the ones they bowled on the previous year(s).
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Post by: leftyinsnellville on July 07, 2009, 08:37:19 AM
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Post by: mainzer on July 07, 2009, 09:22:14 AM
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Post by: TripFour on July 07, 2009, 09:28:13 AM
Post by: catbert on July 07, 2009, 09:49:05 AM
Is there a place where we can "see" those changes you are talking about?, I've visited the pba.com but the ones that are there looks pretty much the same to me from last year's
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Post by: Motiv Girl on July 07, 2009, 10:50:58 AM
Post by: mainzer on July 07, 2009, 11:01:54 AM
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Hi chipmunkbowler!
Is there a place where we can "see" those changes you are talking about?, I've visited the pba.com but the ones that are there looks pretty much the same to me from last year's
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Volumes were changed and the patterns were extended by a foot across the board.
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Post by: Joe Jr on July 07, 2009, 11:04:54 AM
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Hi chipmunkbowler!
Is there a place where we can "see" those changes you are talking about?, I've visited the pba.com but the ones that are there looks pretty much the same to me from last year's
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Volumes were changed and the patterns were extended by a foot across the board.
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No they are changed again, they look like they're back down a foot including the shark.
http://pba.com/resources/oilpatterns/laneconditions.asp
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Post by: Dan Belcher on July 07, 2009, 11:10:18 AM
quote:It wouldn't make any difference. After about five shots of practice, they could easily tell you what kind of pattern they're bowling on, and they'd go from there. (Heck, a couple years ago in our PBA Experience league, we did one "surprise" oil pattern night. By the end of practice, everyone had it narrowed down to either Chameleon or Scorpion, and it indeed was the Scorpion. If those average league bowlers could figure it out that quickly, it'd a non-issue for the pros.) Also, most of them are smart enough to realize that you are adjusting for the lane surface even more than you're adjusting for the pattern, so that wouldn't make a huge difference anyhow. And you're helping reduce the number of balls that need to be taken to an event when you tell the bowlers in advance what kind of shot to expect. (If you're going to be bowling on a 35 foot pattern, it's a pretty safe bet that you can leave the strongly drilled heavy oil balls with surface at home or in the car)
I think the first they should do is stop letting the players know what the pattern is going to be from week to week. If they're so damn good, let them figure it out on their own!
Post by: riggs on July 07, 2009, 11:34:12 AM
Post by: mainzer on July 07, 2009, 01:02:40 PM
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Post by: chipmunkbowler on July 07, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
Post by: J_Mac on July 07, 2009, 03:54:39 PM
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my point is that they are changing them too often trying to face them with a challenge but these guys still score high and making the guys use plastic on shark is just too far i believe
Using plastic on a pattern like the Shark will do a better job of illustrating how weak plastic really is and how accurate you need to be with it to score well.
Post by: Bill Thomas on July 07, 2009, 04:04:37 PM
Post by: Pinbuster on July 07, 2009, 04:56:50 PM
Since they named and publish the patterns it is more obvious than before.
They also tweak the patterns week to week to try make up for differences in lane surfaces.
It is one of the reasons why certain styles might dominate for a year and then many of those bowlers disappear the next year. Tweaks in the pattern can mean a small difference in carry percentage for a style and it doesn't take much to take you out of a show.
Post by: DON DRAPER on July 07, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on July 07, 2009, 11:25:38 PM
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It was definitely time to change the Scorpion...Wes Mallott would probably win every tournament that laid down that pattern.
Edited on 7/7/2009 8:37 AM
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Post by: MichStBwlr2009 on July 08, 2009, 01:35:12 AM
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my point is that they are changing them too often trying to face them with a challenge but these guys still score high and making the guys use plastic on shark is just too far i believe
well remember that the pattern will be a much lower volume Shark pattern than they are going to be using regularly. I am guessing the pattern will play similar to the 50 foot Tournament of Champions pattern with reactive equipment. The pros will most likely try to burn a spot up and utilize hook in the front of the lane as opposed to the back of the lane, unlike every other oil pattern they bowl on. This will result in a hook/set reaction, which really forces the player to keep the ball online and keep their speed and rotation consistent. This will be especially true because of the very low volume they are most likely going to use to accommodate the plastic equipment.
Post by: Krakken on July 11, 2009, 09:21:00 AM
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Unless you are a member, it is none of your business. It is a privately owned
entity and as such, they can do whatever they want for whatever reason they
want.
This could be the most ignorant response in the history of this board. They do have to keep their fans in mind, because like every other sport, without fans, there is no sport.
A few years ago basketball changed the ball, they didn't say, we don't need to explain the reason, they put out a press release explaining why.
The PBA is doing it to try to challenge the bowlers. They tweak the patterns every year even during the year to try to keep up.
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on July 13, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
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Unless you are a member, it is none of your business. It is a privately owned
entity and as such, they can do whatever they want for whatever reason they
want.
Lol, what a moron. So let's get rid of the fans since members only have an opinion.
Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on July 14, 2009, 11:22:52 AM
Post by: tuckingfenpin on July 14, 2009, 11:28:23 AM
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As long as bowlers are allowed to use roughed up (60-120 grit) balls in practice that they don't intend to use in the match it won't make much difference how they change the patterns. The bowlers will make their own track or break area friction.
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Post by: trash heap on July 14, 2009, 02:37:44 PM
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As long as bowlers are allowed to use roughed up (60-120 grit) balls in practice that they don't intend to use in the match it won't make much difference how they change the patterns. The bowlers will make their own track or break area friction.
There is a point here. Cut down the practice time or limit practice to a specific type of ball (Plastic only) then you would see a whole different game.
Post by: BrianCRX90 on July 14, 2009, 08:06:37 PM
What could work is they get no practice on the tv pair and limit the player to only allowed to use 1 ball in game play. If they win a match, they are allowed to switch balls. They can practice all they want to the side of the tv pair setting which they do anyways. One problem, aside from potential scores dropping 20 some pins from normal is what if the ball doesn't feel right, gets damaged, thumb slug flies out. Of course these things would rarely happen. Then on the telecast all your going to hear from Randy Pedersen is how good or bad of a ball choice the bowler made. If you think your hearing it now, then that is all you would hear.
I have no problem with the way it is right now. My argument for the PBA is instead of just worrying about the lane conditions, why not go back to the idea of using heavier, colored pins and perhaps even a different shape of pins. This way it visibly shows the viewer that the professionals are using different pins then what open play and league bowlers are using. Also, not just use them for the telecast but use them for the entire tournament. Force the players to have to get flush and the great shot making would return and the high nose shots and light mixed shots would be harder to come by. You can try to sell lane conditions all you want but the fact is we can't see a lane condition. It's not like golf where you can add a sand trap here, move the tee back, move the hole to a harder part of the green...
Post by: Doug Sterner on July 14, 2009, 08:37:35 PM
Do they really need 30 minuytes of practice? Or are those 30 minutes just a way to burn the pattern down to the poinbt that they can CONSISTENTLY hit the shot and not look silly from time to time?
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on July 31, 2009, 11:17:55 AM
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"Using plastic on a pattern like the Shark will do a better job of illustrating how weak plastic really is and how accurate you need to be with it to score well."
I also think it will show that as well however I am not sure John Q. Public will understand that the PBA was trying to get the Pros to bowl worse - this was also my concern at the Six Flags event which did not highlight how "good" the Pros are.
Post by: trash heap on July 31, 2009, 11:30:46 AM
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Do they really need 30 minuytes of practice? Or are those 30 minutes just a way to burn the pattern down to the poinbt that they can CONSISTENTLY hit the shot and not look silly from time to time?
Exactly. With todays equipment, you can change a pattern real easy in 30 minutes.
When Randy (or whoever) goes into explaining the Pattern he should also add what the players have been doing in practice. Not just mention it in passing but show exactly what these guys are doing. Showing they used a high grit ball to remove oil or plastic to push oil (What line they are throwing). What the bowler is trying achieve in this approach.
Its a vital part the game....don't keep the fans in the dark (PBA has done that enough already).