Author Topic: Who's a bigger choker: Rhino Page or Joe Chokeonie? (Read 6661 times)

BrianCRX90 · « **on:** January 25, 2009, 04:13:54 AM »

Page worst case scenario already did the hard part of getting the first strike and worst case after that would have been 8 on the first ball to tie. What happened was nerves I believe just like what happened to Joe Ciccone. However, Joe Blow needed a 2 pin to win and missed it by a mile. Not only humiliating himself, but the chance for his first title not to mention a first title for his partner and tour exemption spot for Ronnie Russell.

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #46 on:** January 27, 2009, 02:00:05 PM »

I agree with se7en. I believe it was a difficult situation..

Someone on the side pointing out the shot clock it seemed. Him explaining that the pins had just reracked. And then him looking a little upset and I guess his feet looked fast and he got it wide and missed the release. Just Like 2 or 3 earlier shots!

I'd be hoppin mad at someone distracting me over such an insignificant item right before a critical throw. Hopefully I would be fortunate enough to catch a piece of the headpin.

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KingofKings696 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 27, 2009, 02:14:30 PM »

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Didn't produce when he had to with a quality shot that gave him a chance to win., that's a choke. Didn't make a quality shot that at LEAST hit the head pin. CHOKE.

WRWs shot a few weeks ago was good enough to GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO WIN. It might not have been the best shot, but it hit the head pin and gave him at least a chance to win. When you wiff on the ball totally and miss the head pin, you didn't give yourself a chance to be anything but the 2nd place looser.

PA's shots in the 10th, although not perfect GAVE HIM A CHANCE TO WIN. Anytime you at least get the ball in an area that gives you a chance, you gave yourself a chance to get a strike. If PA didn't strike, it wasn't a choke because he at least hit the head pin, and gave himself that chance to win.

What about the guy who throws up an air ball at the free throw line to tie the game with a few seconds left. What do you call that, a good free throw attempt that just missed? Once again a choke.

Stop trying to baby these guys, they are MEN they choke, make mistakes and do not produce. We are such whiny baby PC people anymore. He didn't get the job done, he gagged on it hard core.

He choked mentally and that caused him to physically throw a bad shot in an situation where his total focus should have been on the task at hand. Letting your mind wander and focus on something other than getting a X in that situation is a rookie move, and a choke.

Totally whiffing on the ball isn't a quality shot, not hitting the head pin in that situation is not a quality shot. It's not like the lane caused the error or the oil pattern changed, the guy simply broke down mentally and physically made a huge error.

It's like saying Bill Bucker made a quality attempt at that slow ground ball in the 1986 world series.

Taking a situation for granted, not being focused on the task at hand, thinking a situation is an easy success and then not producing with a quality attempt is a choke.

Edited on 1/26/2009 4:51 AM

If what you say is the case than why when Ive been under the preasure for bragging rights with friends and what not I "choked" as many have said crossed over missing the headpin hitting the 2 and striking to actually beat my friend so in theory I didnt put myself in a posistion to win yet it still managed?

boomtown24 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 27, 2009, 03:04:31 PM »

King, unfortunately the work choke refers to the outcome (success or failure.) You got lucky plain and simple, but no one will call it that because you came out on top.

Clay, it doesn't matter what amount is on the line! Money has a different value to everyone. You could choke over $100 but someone else might be very comfortable for that sum of money. I am quite sure it wasn't the amount of money that was the added pressure, it was the fact that he was going to win his first MAJOR title.

strikenout · « **Reply #49 on:** January 27, 2009, 05:08:05 PM »

nobody compares to the chairman of choking CHRIS BARNES man he could have so many titles by now
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hammermark · « **Reply #50 on:** January 30, 2009, 12:35:27 PM »

I don't think you call it a choke as much as a break in concentration. Granted he has to make the shot but that shot clock deal is enough to take you out of the "zone" especially when he buried the first ball and 6 or 7 more before that. I think Patrick Allen or as I like to call him PA or "Pompous Ass" or "Hawse's Ass" is one of the luckiest people on the Tour not to mention a total jerk. He sits back there making faces and laughing then hurries up and covers his face when Page turns around which got caught on TV. And this is not the first time this jerk has done this. Someone who derives joy in someone else's plight or sorrow is a total jackass. And had that shot clock thing happened to him, he would have whined and complained about it until the show went off the air because he has done tht before as well. Bowling is a fickle sport like golf and someday bad breaks such as a pocket 8-10 like Walter Ray had against him are in Allen's future as well. Bowling is just that way. The two shots he threw in the 10th were pure crap luck to carry and out of his 11 or 12 titles that he does have at least 4 or 5 of them are out of some bad break that befalls someone else such as a pocket 8-10, or a shot clock deal that distracts you or some fluke pin carry this clown seems to get. But granted it is part of the game but those parts can turn on you at times as well and they will in his future. What's worse is Page considers this idiot a mentor. Rhino needs to have a mentor like Parker Bohn III, Walter Ray or Norm Duke. Bowlers with more talent in the left pinkies than PA will ever have and men who not only lose with class and dignity but win the same way. All I can say is Rhino "keep chucking that pebble down the lane" because you have bright future and find yourself a better role model or mentor. And for Hawse's ass, win 20 or 30 more titles over the next 10 years or so and you can get into the class of a Norm Duke or PB III or WRW then maybe if you act a little more diginfied and become a decent sport you would convince me differently. Pure and simple he has no class and even Rhino during that match at a young age was very composed and stoic so maybe the jerk part of PA isnt rubbing off on him, lets hope not.

HM

« **Reply #51 on:** January 30, 2009, 01:29:24 PM »

Quote: "Clay, it doesn't matter what amount is on the line! Money has a different value to everyone. You could choke over $100 but someone else might be very comfortable for that sum of money. I am quite sure it wasn't the amount of money that was the added pressure, it was the fact that he was going to win his first MAJOR title."

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I agree. The amount of money ($100) was secondary to my point that many of us won't have the "scruples" to give up (whatever amount) if we fail to strike out in the 10th frame on a HOUSE shot, yet we seem so eager to heap the "choke" word on every professional throwing a bad shot on DIFFICULT conditions. That was what I was trying to say.

Who are we to criticize every bad shot thrown on tour by Rhino, WRW, Barnes, or any pro putting it out on the line every week against the best and on tough conditions?

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Edited on 1/30/2009 2:30 PM

SleepOnIce · « **Reply #52 on:** January 30, 2009, 03:07:34 PM »

So I can't call it a choke, but can PA? If that's the case, then I hope you like everything every president has ever done for our country. I mean, hey, who are you to criticize him since you've never had a chance to become president/governor/Senator? Or I hope you like everything your bosses have ever done, because you don't know the pressure of whatever the hell his job is.
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KDawg77 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 30, 2009, 03:08:38 PM »

I'm surprised this topic is still going.
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« **Reply #54 on:** January 30, 2009, 03:49:25 PM »

SleepOnIce,

I guess we'll just disagree on this topic. It's really not that big of a deal, as in President of the United States pressure... Nice comparison though... BLARGH!

My whole problem with the topic has been why are we so eager to sling mud? Even if the PBA professionals admit that they choked, why is it our job to point it out? Never mind. Have a great weekend.

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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
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