Post by: bowlallthetime on January 21, 2010, 02:08:58 PM
All the other guys in the TOC had to defeat some of their fellow competitors at some point to earn a spot. But Kulick never won a title bowling against any of the other TOC bowlers. She beat a bunch of women in the Women's World Championship at the WSOB.
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Post by: bighook69 on January 21, 2010, 10:27:08 PM
"Kulick, who became the first woman ever to earn a berth in the Tournament of Champions by winning the PBA Women’s World Championship earlier this season"
Post by: nocarey on January 21, 2010, 10:27:32 PM
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Kulick became the first woman ever to earn a berth in the Tournament of Champions by winning the PBA Women’s World Championship earlier this season. . .
Post by: bowlallthetime on January 21, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
Post by: TheFreeAgent on January 21, 2010, 10:34:44 PM
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Maybe they should have had a separate TOC for women.
or she earned her spot and is beating out people like walter ray, the defending player of the year wes mallot, chris barnes, I think shes doing just fine where she is. How mad will you be when she wins? will you quit bowling.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on January 21, 2010, 10:35:30 PM
Post by: bowlallthetime on January 21, 2010, 10:37:32 PM
Edited on 1/21/2010 11:42 PM
Post by: BrunsMike on January 21, 2010, 10:49:25 PM
It's okay, with the way the PBA are doing their Live telecast's with not showing entire matches, music between some of the frame's, and a list of other thing's it's not long before the PBA Tour being bowling's historical past.
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Post by: J_Mac on January 22, 2010, 05:53:09 AM
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Surprised to Ciccone bowling. He's won a pba event?
2009 Regional Players Championship title gave him his pass into the TOC. His tour exemption came from Tour Trials.
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Post by: jbuzz31 on January 22, 2010, 08:36:52 AM
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I can see why she's bowling and have no problem's with it. I do beleive that they should allow the 5-6 WPBA winner's from ealier this year that won to be allowed in the TOC as well, not just the 1 WPBA player.
I agree. Might as well make it fair.
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Post by: snowspike1 on January 22, 2010, 08:35:08 PM
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Maybe they should have had a separate TOC for women.
what. you afraid to bowl against a woman....
Edited on 1/22/2010 9:37 PM
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Post by: Midnighter on January 22, 2010, 10:00:43 PM
1. Chris B.
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Post by: bighook69 on January 22, 2010, 10:06:41 PM
Side Note: Pete Weber misses cut by 1
Post by: DON DRAPER on January 22, 2010, 10:10:20 PM
Post by: bighook69 on January 22, 2010, 10:15:29 PM
Post by: Kyle on January 22, 2010, 10:18:37 PM
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This is why I am not a big fan of trying a new ball on a fill shot, or not going for a pin with a split and throwing a line tester etc.
There are times when this just gets you, you never think about it till the end but there is always somewhere that you lost a couple of pins.
Missing by 1, and I bet Pete can think of situations where he threw pins away, for various reasons.
Edited on 1/22/2010 11:10 PM
Game 6 of the third block Pete threw a 6- on a double. So there's one right there.
Post by: Kyle on January 22, 2010, 10:23:13 PM
Post by: BT808 on January 22, 2010, 10:28:34 PM
This is a special tournament for winners on the PBA tour. If you havent accomplished that, you should not be bowling, PERIOD.... End of discussion!
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Post by: DP3 on January 22, 2010, 10:35:57 PM
Post by: bighook69 on January 22, 2010, 10:38:03 PM
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If it's Kelly/Barnes in the finals, I'm pretty sure there's a 99% chance that we know who's taking that one.
never know, he could go 2 years ago (I think it was that one...) TOC
Post by: soonerdallas on January 23, 2010, 12:47:57 AM
Post by: TheFreeAgent on January 23, 2010, 12:53:49 AM
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Really doesn't make much sense that your 1st title could be in the Tournament of CHAMPIONS...but that's the PBA for you
she is the women's world CHAMPION she beat every other girl, and she just beat 60+ guys what more does she have to do to prove she has earned it? Male chauvinist.
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Post by: stealth on January 23, 2010, 08:08:15 AM
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Great for Kelly! In your opinion she did not belong. Evidence shows that by being the second seed that she did indeed belong in the group. Thats JMO.
Mark
It is the PBA Tournament of Champions. She is not a champion so how does she belong? Evidence would be a prior championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 23, 2010, 08:32:38 AM
Kulick makes the finals against Chris Barnes, CB beats her, and all of the scuttlebutt will be how he chokes against everyone but women.
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Post by: Stan on January 23, 2010, 08:39:12 AM
Post by: riggs on January 23, 2010, 09:11:24 AM
Kelly doesn't make the rules ... and she proved her ability beating everyone but Barnes -- absolutely amazing. And her winning surely would draw some mainstream media attention, which would be good for PBA. I'll be pulling for her Sunday.
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As for Pete missing by 1 pin ... getting 6-0 on a Big Four probably was a fry. But other instances are calculated strategic decisions -- do you go for a 2-10 or 4-9 or just get the count do you switch balls on a fill ball when it might cost you a couple pins but also may give you the look that lets you score better in the next game or more? Those are decisions we all have to make when we compete.
Post by: shelley on January 23, 2010, 09:47:06 AM
It's the Tournament of Champions. The PBA is free to invite whatever kind of champions they like. It's why they invite the winner of the Senior US Open (or Masters or World Championship, I can't remember), it's why they invite the RPI and RPC winners. They've won prestigious national-level bowling tournaments. I'm surprised they didn't invite more international participation from European or Asian bowling circles.
If there are any PBA members who disagree with the invitation process, they are free to decline their invitation to the ToC in protest.
SH
Post by: ralphiejantz on January 23, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
I hate when they show the womens finals during the mens matches
Kelly has no business bowling in the TOC
big deal she beat a bunch of sub par womens bowlers (compared to the mens division) in the WSOB,
and we all know this sport is about matching up to the right conditions etc. for the week of qualifying in order to make the finals
so yeah she matched up better than almost all the guys out there this week
but that does not mean she is better than them
she does not belong in the event period.
If I was 1 of the men that got bumped off the list and I won a PBA tournament for her I would be very very aggravated at the PBA
I also dont believe the Regional slot or the Senior slot should exist either
Post by: Gonz on January 23, 2010, 10:13:08 AM
Next year's TOC "invited" participants are-Jerome Bettis, Woody Harrleson and Throwbot
Congrats to Kelly! Qutie an accomplishment this week! My daughter is 9, watches the show each week, and cannot wait to see Kelly compete.
I do understand the traditionalists point of view, as this tournament was developed for the sole reason to showcase the men's tour TV winners back in the day. (in other words to increase TV ratings)
Gonz
Post by: Stan on January 23, 2010, 10:29:43 AM
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Post by: rvmark on January 23, 2010, 10:35:56 AM
quote:quote:
Great for Kelly! In your opinion she did not belong. Evidence shows that by being the second seed that she did indeed belong in the group. Thats JMO.
Mark
It is the PBA Tournament of Champions. She is not a champion so how does she belong? Evidence would be a prior championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wally,
She did win the women''s World Series of Bowling Championship.. That was the title that got her into the tournament. That was a decision made by the PBA therefore she was a champion and won her way into the tournament. You may not like but get over it because those are the facts.
For those that feel they got bumped out if they had won a title more recently they would have been bowling in the tournament.
Mark
Edited on 1/23/2010 11:43 AM
Post by: shelley on January 23, 2010, 10:50:52 AM
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Shelly, do you think the PBA members have a say in anything that the PBA leadership says or wants? Oh, you said they could decline showing up and lose the guaranteed money, that we all know they really need. Be real! The PBA membership (the exempt bowlers) will do anything that they are asked. Why? Because they need the money!
I agree with you 100%. It's a shame that the PBA is what it is now. The control is out of the players hands and the owners change the rules every year to try to boost their profits. Some of those changes are bad (all match-play, which they've fixed), some are good. I like the Women's series. It will take time to be built back to what the PWBA was 15-20 years ago. Right now it's the same half dozen women who make every show and win every title week-in, week-out.
I agree that realistically, no one is going to decline their invitation to the TOC in protest over the rules. It is a shame that they are in a position that they would have to sell their principles for a paycheck.
Nevertheless, I believe that the only-PBA-champs-allowed idea is long gone. Even in the 90s they were inviting winners from non-PBA events to bowl the TOC. The RPI and the RPC are major events on the regional level and the guys that bowl those tournaments have already beaten out a considerable number of bowlers just to bowl, the winner has beaten the best regional players. It is no small feat to win those tournaments and the PBA leadership has decided that doing so is worth a turn to bowl with the big boys.
Likewise for the senior bowlers. It seems reasonable to argue that this years Senior Masters (or whatever) winner is just as worthy of bowling as someone who won a TOC title in 1972 and has done nothing since then.
They've been inviting title winners from non-national Tour events for a while. The only reason anyone cares this year is because Kelly Kulick is the #2 seed for the show. If she'd finished 60th, no one would care. You can't search the archives to find people complaining last year about the RPI winner getting to bowl the TOC because until this year, no one seemed to notice.
SH
Post by: jodyk24 on January 23, 2010, 11:50:48 AM
Last time I checked Kelly Kubrick was still in the top five. I don''t know how crow taste, but some people are going to have to eat some. I love it.
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Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on January 23, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
I have seen her bowl in a couple of Asian tournaments and was struck by how much more power the Asian gals had but I didn''t see her missing spares the way the guys have been lately, or go with really dumb ball choices either.
Truth is, the better gals can beat the better guys if the guys give them any opening at all - the gals aren''t exactly league bowlers.
Edited on 1/23/2010 1:08 PM
Post by: ccrider on January 23, 2010, 12:51:14 PM
The PBA gets to select its own definition of "champion." The criteria was set before Kulick won the WSOB. She won the spot, she should be bowling and bowling she is.
I do not agree that the professional men are necessarily better than the women as a group. It is more to it than just being able to throw the ball well. For sure, PW proved that point this week, and CB has proved it over and over and over again.
I was pulling for Weber. But now, I would like to see Barnes win. However, I like Kulick's chances.
I think that all of the women PBA winners should be allowed to bowl. Then you would be able to see how they match up, at least for the particular week of the TOC on the shot put down.
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Post by: TheFreeAgent on January 23, 2010, 01:04:17 PM
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bottom line is PBA sucks they do anything they can think of to possibly boost ratings
I hate when they show the womens finals during the mens matches
Kelly has no business bowling in the TOC
big deal she beat a bunch of sub par womens bowlers (compared to the mens division) in the WSOB,
and we all know this sport is about matching up to the right conditions etc. for the week of qualifying in order to make the finals
so yeah she matched up better than almost all the guys out there this week
but that does not mean she is better than them
she does not belong in the event period.
If I was 1 of the men that got bumped off the list and I won a PBA tournament for her I would be very very aggravated at the PBA
I also dont believe the Regional slot or the Senior slot should exist either
You sir are a moron I bet the worst women on tour would mop you by at least 25+ pins a game.
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Post by: David Lee Yskes on January 23, 2010, 01:06:44 PM
I do believe she has the skills to play with the Men.. I believe only a couple of the women have the talent to play with the Men, Kelly being one of them and Liz Johnson being the other...
And doesnt the PBA own the PWBA now?? so the PBA can do whatever they want when it comes to the TOC. As for them inviting a RPI and Seniors champ too, i dont see a problem with it as long as the PBA made that choice before the season started..
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Post by: ralphiejantz on January 23, 2010, 01:31:30 PM
you can put an amateur in the event and he can match up well to the conditions and win
does that mean he earned his spot in the TOC if he''s never bowled in a PBA tournament before ?
Edited on 1/23/2010 2:34 PM
Post by: ralphiejantz on January 23, 2010, 01:39:37 PM
quote:QuoteYou sir are a moron I bet the worst women on tour would mop you by at least 25+ pins a game.
Thats a pretty bold statement being that you dont know me
but honestly if I did compete full time and had the resources and backing like she does I bet I could be just as good if not better than her
My point is she did not earn that spot to bowl in this tournament
and secondly women bowling is boring
Im just not interested in watching the women slide the ball down the lane at 15mph
I just dont care for it
Post by: nd300 on January 23, 2010, 01:40:45 PM
2.If Barnes loses,there'll be more choking talk.
3.If Barnes loses to KK,it'll REALLY be talked about as a world class choke(and yes, I'm FULLY aware he'd beat me 199 out of 200 games).
4.ESPN isn't doing so good either. They've started running paid ad shows in late night slots on Classic Sports Channel and other ESPN owned channels.
5.We all know the PBA is desperate,and will NEVER get back to the glory days of the Saturday afternoon shows. There's wayyyy too much money in NCAA sports for the networks to pass up.
6. Personally, I'm not sure of my own feelings about KK bowling without a title.I don't like that the women can bowl in the men's national,but we can't bowl in theirs. Chauvinist sounding I know,but let them keep their own titles and such. At the end of the year,put the mens #1 against the women #1 ,#2 against #2,etc.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 23, 2010, 01:49:24 PM
Post by: ralphiejantz on January 23, 2010, 03:27:10 PM
Im actually not going to watch it on TV tomorrow because Im bowling in a tournament over by me
I understand that the womens tour is technically a part of the PBA and the womens WSOB is technically a PBA event
but how many men did Kelly beat to win the Womens WSOB event ?
If everyone male and female both bowled on the same exact tour and participated in the same exact events I would see no problem with her or any other woman being invited to the event
I also read on another board that was quoted from the PBA web site that no of the men finalist made any effort to congratulate Kelly as the final round was finishing up
but they were all hugging and congratulating each other
Im sure the majority of the guys that were in the event feel the same way as some people on here do about her being in the event
I honestly really just see this as another example of the PBA organization going down the tubes
they constantly change or manipulate little things to make what they think will be a better ratings or attract a better audience
when in fact 9 times out 10 they have no idea what theyre doing at all
and the guys that are trying to make a living out on tour are the ones that suffer
Post by: Stan on January 23, 2010, 04:51:31 PM
Did all the women that participated in the WSOB pay their PBA membership fees ? Because if they did not, then how can this be a PBA event and how can they be PBA Champions ? Yes, I know you can bowl a regional without being a member, but did these same regional rules apply to the womens WSOB ?
The PBA was not in good shape when the new owners took over but unfortunately, because of these new owners, I doubt if the PBA will be around much longer and thats a real shame for everyone.
Post by: Danes07 on January 23, 2010, 07:25:10 PM
quote:quote:QuoteYou sir are a moron I bet the worst women on tour would mop you by at least 25+ pins a game.
Thats a pretty bold statement being that you dont know me
but honestly if I did compete full time and had the resources and backing like she does I bet I could be just as good if not better than her
My point is she did not earn that spot to bowl in this tournament
and secondly women bowling is boring
Im just not interested in watching the women slide the ball down the lane at 15mph
I just dont care for it
Well, considering that it was decided that the winner of the Womans World Championship would get a berth in the TOC, then I believe she earned a spot in the tournament.
Its not up to you to decide who gets in. If the PBA wants to include the winner of a major women's event, then that is their perogative.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on January 23, 2010, 10:49:21 PM
Post by: riggs on January 24, 2010, 04:13:07 AM
"If you don't like it, bowl the other Tour."
Put your money up -- or raise some -- and start your own Tour and you can make whatever rules you want.
Post by: Bill Thomas on January 24, 2010, 05:31:35 AM
Post by: shelley on January 24, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
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stormbowler, the women's shark championship was also a "PBA" event according to you. So why isn't that winner bowling the TOC? Why just give the TOC entry to the women's world championship winner and not the other events? If they are all "PBA" events, then all winners from the WSOP womens events should be bowling this week.
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Did all the women that participated in the WSOB pay their PBA membership fees ? Because if they did not, then how can this be a PBA event and how can they be PBA Champions ?
The TOC is not only for PBA champions. It's been said again and again. The PBA is free to decide what champions they want to invite, whether PBA champions or winners or other tournaments. They've invited non-PBA winners in the past. You can expect international tournament winners to be invited in the future. This year, they chose to invite the winner of the Women's World Championship. Kelly Kulick won a fscking tournament. That tournament was on the list of people to be invited to bowl the TOC. If that's not considered a PBA title, big fscking deal. She's the winner of a recognized tournament. If the PBA were open to women 15 years ago when the PWBA was still going, it would not have been surprising to me to see the winner of the Queens and US Open invited to bowl.
SH
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 24, 2010, 10:19:33 AM
And her awesome showing thus far also proves that it indeed has created a stir in the bowling world, as more people are talking about the event, whether they feel she deserves the spot or not, and this type of buzz is, in the end, always a good thing for our game, since it inevitably get the attention of sponsors, especially if she ends up winning the tournament.
Everyone should be cheering for Kelly to do well, since she'll be doing an incredible service to all of us: she'll be placing bowling on the map.
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Post by: bowlallthetime on January 24, 2010, 12:02:20 PM
Post by: bowlallthetime on January 24, 2010, 12:12:36 PM
Post by: bowlallthetime on January 24, 2010, 12:29:04 PM
The point of my original post was to say my opinion on the tournament and that I thought it should be exclusive to PBA winners. I still don't agree with her entry into the tournament, but she took advantage of it and won.
Post by: on January 24, 2010, 12:29:34 PM
Because she can! Great bowling on her part!
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Post by: bowlallthetime on January 24, 2010, 12:32:54 PM
Post by: michelle on January 24, 2010, 12:56:39 PM
And what happens when they have an event that uses the more grueling format? The better bowlers DO rise to the top...it really does eliminate some of the 'matching up' element of the equation. Match play is a grind. Conditioning becomes a key and there are other strategic decisions to be made across those one-game and move formats...
Just as the raisins and regional players were invited to compete, so to was Kelly. And she got through the grind in rather compelling fashion. This was NOT the first time she has demonstrated she had game to compete at that level. Raisins and regional players have also done so in selected opportunities...
How about people just recognize what has occurred and allow the reality that different styles can be competitive. KK definitely belongs.
Congrats Kelly Kulick!
Post by: Xcessive_Evil on January 24, 2010, 01:01:54 PM
No disrespect to Chris Barnes(cause the feeling would be the same regardless), but I'm loving the fact she flat out murdered him.
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Post by: mumzie on January 24, 2010, 01:09:41 PM
SHE WON, THEY LOST - CONGRATS TO KELLY!!!
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Post by: ccrider on January 24, 2010, 01:12:52 PM
Great Bowling Kelley.
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Post by: completebowler on January 24, 2010, 01:40:58 PM
But for those that did today was your enlightenment.
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Post by: JOE FALCO on January 24, 2010, 07:35:43 PM
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Post by: Rileybowler on January 24, 2010, 07:38:00 PM
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Your sanctioning dues, yours, mine and the men and women next you went to funding this womens series. Did you know that? Your money did not go to help you, but it went to womens bowling. Maybe you wanted it to go to mens bowling, maybe you would like it to go to youth bowling or possibly better rule enforcement etc.
This whole thing has been beaten like a dead horse. The USBC is a money wasting, sham of a organization where everyone that works for them reaps the benefits of your dollar. You get the same old rules and rule enforcement and nothing ever changes to benefit the bowler.
Edited on 1/23/2010 6:52 PM
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Post by: snowgimp on January 24, 2010, 11:32:48 PM
Your mom's box.
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Post by: Zef Olantar on January 25, 2010, 03:03:04 AM
Not only did she earn the right, but she deserved to be there.
It'll be great to see her her kick some male butt during the next
2 years on the PBA Tour......just AWESOME!
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Post by: astrodanco on January 25, 2010, 12:29:27 PM
Post by: jls on January 25, 2010, 03:18:41 PM
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Why is she in the TOC? I know she is a great bowler, but she never won a PBA tournament. She might have won a women's series event/major, but I just don't get why they put her in there.
All the other guys in the TOC had to defeat some of their fellow competitors at some point to earn a spot. But Kulick never won a title bowling against any of the other TOC bowlers. She beat a bunch of women in the Women's World Championship at the WSOB.
Oh brother....
Well yesterday she beat some guy named Mika and another guy named Chris... Both of them are great bowlers, really it was in all the papers...
Even though she got into the TOC based on a victory in a women's event, she had to bowl against MEN to get into the final 4...
No free pass there....
And then she had to beat Mika and Chris, who just might end up, "bowler of the year" so to me, she belongs................
Nice bowling Kelly
wild guess, you "ain't" into women's golf either...
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Post by: TheFreeAgent on January 25, 2010, 03:28:40 PM
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Post by: jls on January 25, 2010, 03:34:09 PM
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Saw this coming. Almost unfair to Barnes. The lanes broke down leading up to the final match, and Kulick was definitely lined up. Barnes did not have a chance, as he did not have time to figure the lanes out.
Great Bowling Kelley.
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Oh please, give that a rest...
The leader always has to face a shot that may have broken down....
He had about 10 minutes to practice on that pair...
A good bowler adjust...
265 - 195.... ouch
"I like the tougher shots found in majors, that suits my game" <<< Chris Barnes.... Ya right..............
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Post by: ccrider on January 25, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
quote:quote:
Saw this coming. Almost unfair to Barnes. The lanes broke down leading up to the final match, and Kulick was definitely lined up. Barnes did not have a chance, as he did not have time to figure the lanes out.
Great Bowling Kelley.
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Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.
Oh please, give that a rest...
The leader always has to face a shot that may have broken down....
He had about 10 minutes to practice on that pair...
A good bowler adjust...
265 - 195.... ouch
Barnes is not a "Good Bowler" like you JLS. The ten minutes was obviously not enough time for him to adjust.
"I like the tougher shots found in majors, that suits my game" <<< Chris Barnes.... Ya right..............
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 26, 2010, 03:21:14 PM
1- Barnes qualified first in the TOC, so he DOESN'T suck! (and I'm not a Barnes fan.)
2- Final score was 265-195, so don't jip Kelly of a stick.
The stuff you say about adjusting is correct, however, often times a bowler that just bowled one game, as was the case with Kelly, has a looser armswing and is able to better conquer the lanes.
I understand all the praise you're heaping at Kelly, but Barnes doesn't deserve the bashing.
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Post by: jls on January 26, 2010, 03:38:21 PM
quote:
jls,
1- Barnes qualified first in the TOC, so he DOESN'T suck! (and I'm not a Barnes fan.)
2- Final score was 265-195, so don't jip Kelly of a stick.
The stuff you say about adjusting is correct, however, often times a bowler that just bowled one game, as was the case with Kelly, has a looser armswing and is able to better conquer the lanes.
I understand all the praise you're heaping at Kelly, but Barnes doesn't deserve the bashing.
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Not bashing him,,, but when someone comes on and says "poor Barnes" he had to bowl on that shot, etc etc etc...
GROW UP already...
The step ladder has been used for years and years...
And many times the leader has won....Really, it was in all the papers...
So it's total B.S. when someone says he lost due to the fact that he had to bowl last... Give me a break, that was just a plain stupid remark...
He had boo koo time to practice on that shot....
Not saying Barnes sucks....Yes he did lead the event...
He just sucked real bad on this show... 265 - 195.... That sucking...
But to down play her victory, because the hook hotdog got his butt handed to him, is just plain ignorant...
And after all, >>>> according to Barnes.... This shot favored him,, cause it was a tough shot and it suits his game... cause he can adjust...
Ya Right.....
It really seems that a women winning has hurt the ego of some of you PBA boys....
Now man up and give her a "well done"
And face the truth, that Barnes Sucked on the show....3 ball changes in 10 frames....195, that's sucking....Especially when your opponent fires a 265...
But did you notice,, on the next show, on the desert, he was a stud............
Dumbest stupidest excuse I have ever heard...
Now give it a rest...
That's like a golfer playing in the morning with high winds complaining that the guys in the afternoon had better condition's...
What is this, "pre school"
He is a professional, who on this day, got lost.... and made poor adjustments..
Plain and simple...
now
are we clear
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jls "Obama, you wanna see my truck"
Post by: ccrider on January 26, 2010, 04:16:04 PM
It was obvious that Barnes was lost on the shot. With more time, perhaps a couple a games under his belt, do you think for a second that he would have shot 195. Probably not, right?
I did not criticize the stepladder format, nor am I pitying Barnes. Just stated an opinion, based on my observation and analysis. The fact that the stepladder format has been around for years does not add too or take away from my observation. Often time, the bowler that works his way down the ladder has a better feel for the lanes than the number one seed. If you have trouble comprehending that, there is not much else I can say to help you understand. If you disagree, then that is fine.
On another matter, why do you see fit to make a personal attack on me or on Barnes for that matter. This is just bowling. You do not know me and I doubt that you know Barnes. To make matters worse, you charade around on this site without even bothering to post a fake profile. Do you have something to hide??
At any rate, your personal attacks are uncalled for and take away from anything worthwhile you might otherwise have to say.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 26, 2010, 04:23:55 PM
1- I was pulling for Kelly (refer to my comment on page 4 of this thread), so don't include me with the group that was obviously anti woman in a man’s sport.
2- Shooting 195 when someone else shoots higher (gender is unimportant) doesn't make one suck, especially on a tough shot. A bowling game doesn't allow one to stumble too often, especially if one's opponent catches fire.
Bashing Kelly or bashing Chris is equally ludicrous.
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Post by: jls on January 27, 2010, 08:52:45 AM
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JLS,
It was obvious that Barnes was lost on the shot. With more time, perhaps a couple a games under his belt, do you think for a second that he would have shot 195. Probably not, right?
I did not criticize the stepladder format, nor am I pitying Barnes. Just stated an opinion, based on my observation and analysis. The fact that the stepladder format has been around for years does not add too or take away from my observation. Often time, the bowler that works his way down the ladder has a better feel for the lanes than the number one seed. If you have trouble comprehending that, there is not much else I can say to help you understand. If you disagree, then that is fine.
On another matter, why do you see fit to make a personal attack on me or on Barnes for that matter. This is just bowling. You do not know me and I doubt that you know Barnes. To make matters worse, you charade around on this site without even bothering to post a fake profile. Do you have something to hide??
At any rate, your personal attacks are uncalled for and take away from anything worthwhile you might otherwise have to say.
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Those that can do. Those that can't complain. Pimpin ain't easy, but it's mandatory.
Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.
CC
R U serious.... When you are the leader, you only bowl in the finals...
Using that as an excuse is stupid.... For years and years the leader has had to face that issue... But I don't recall many using that as an excuse for losing...
Now that a women wins, you come on and use that as an excuse....
R U serious, or do you just HATE women.....
Your from San Fran, right.......
Barnes had 8-10 minutes to practice on that pair...
He also had the chance to watch how the others played the lanes....
Unless he was too busy doing interviews... And telling all how the tougher shot favors him..... ya right...
He got lost, she didn't.... No excuses...
A women with Zero experience bowling in a mens final... Barnes has boo koo experience..
You come on and simple bash her win with stupid talk...
Now tell me what to say or do... Cause you are nothing to me...
your a was not has been never was never will be,,,, who is upset that your man, Mr hot dog with everything on it,,, LOST TO A WOMEN...
Now get over it you child...
Go belly ache somewhere else...
Congrads to Kelly 265 - 195....
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jls "Obama, you wanna see my truck"
Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on January 27, 2010, 03:04:37 PM
Why is she in the TOC? I know she is a great bowler, but she never won a PBA tournament. She might have won a women's series event/major, but I just don't get why they put her in there."
Sometimes we all post something that becomes a classic. Crow has a very distinct taste
Post by: ccrider on January 27, 2010, 03:18:49 PM
Your ignorance and suspect grammar skills are hilarious, despite your childish tone. You do not know me. No, I am not an internet tough guy like you. But, I have been known to hold down my own in the real world.
Now, getting back to bowling, Kulick had a good day and she won. I am not a Barnes fan, but I still say that the ten minute warm up time that he had was not enough time for him to figure out how to play the lanes. Did you watch the match. If you did, unless you are blind, you had to see that Barnes could not figure out where to play, or what to play with.
Now, good bowlers like yourself would probably go out and shoot 250+ without any warm up. But for the lowly professionals like Barnes, he could of have used a little more, maybe a lots more time.
I want to grow up and be a good bowler, just like you JLS.
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Post by: jls on January 27, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
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JLS,
Your ignorance and suspect grammar skills are hilarious, despite your childish tone. You do not know me. No, I am not an internet tough guy like you. But, I have been known to hold down my own in the real world.
Now, getting back to bowling, Kulick had a good day and she won. I am not a Barnes fan, but I still say that the ten minute warm up time that he had was not enough time for him to figure out how to play the lanes. Did you watch the match. If you did, unless you are blind, you had to see that Barnes could not figure out where to play, or what to play with.
Now, good bowlers like yourself would probably go out and shoot 250+ without any warm up. But for the lowly professionals like Barnes, he could of have used a little more, maybe a lots more time.
I want to grow up and be a good bowler, just like you JLS.
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Those that can do. Those that can''t complain. Pimpin ain''t easy, but it''s mandatory.
Most things we like, we don''t need. Most things we need, we don''t like. Don''t confuse your likes with your needs.
CC, This makes about as much sense as baking a ball in the oven for 3-4 hours..
Now listen keyboard pounder, Yes I did indeed watch it,,, Over and over..
And I get a kick out of your geek 101 ploy...
That''s attack grammar and spelling errors...
Now listen child...
Barnes like the other 3 on the show had time to practice...
Between the semi and final match, there was at least 8-10 minutes before play started..."it wasn''t enough time for him" poor baby...
Well then stop bashing Kelly''s win and talk to the PBA about giving Barnes 3-4 hours to practice... your such an idiot......
Your lame excuse that she bowled or he got lost is just plain stupid talk, much like baking a ball in the oven for 3-4 hours...
Cause when that cracks, and I see it all the time, people like you bring it in to the pro shop and cry like a baby...
Now I can''t help but seeing that in addition to trying to be the grammar nazi police, you also get a kick out of being a typical keyboard pounding, bowling know it all...
Your a joke... and you think your geek childish attack about grammar will drive people away... Get a life you poor excuse for a human....
To say Barnes could not figure out where to play is one thing... To write off Kelly''s win is another...
"She bowled on his lanes, so she had an advantage"...
Are you serious... That''s what a step ladder format is all about....
Did I mention, your a joke and a little geek boy... Trying to act like a bowling know it all...
Now go back to what you do best, little geek boy...And that would be, pounding a keyboard by day, while at work....
And baking your bowling balls for 3-4 hours by night....
One more thing, grammar geek boy nazi police....
Check out how many people on this site now post in the same format that I do...
And guess what geek boy... Guess who started posting that way...
now
we are clear
so
get lost, cause you really bore me,
and of course
you ain''t now or ever going to be ready for prime time.
still clear
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Post by: ccrider on January 27, 2010, 05:41:55 PM
Once again you make me laugh. Do you want kudos for your basic lack of mastery of the king's language. If so, search somewhere else. No, I do not think that perfect grammar is required or necessary. However, it amazes me that someone as opinionated as you could be so ignorant.
I have not bashed Kulick's win. Actually, after Weber got kicked, I was pulling for her. It was her day, she showed up, she bowled, she kicked arse. None of this changes anything that I said about Barnes earlier.
BTW, why don't you post your profile. Do you have something to hide. If so, make up a profile, claim it and post it. I am sure that it will make for great fictional reading.
And no, neither ball cracked. In fact, one of my teammates begged me to bake his VG, and for sure, it needs it. I left it in my car today. It was 50 degrees for a high, but bright and sunny. The ball was sweating oil sitting on my seat.
If the ball cracks, he says he does not care. It is not hooking and hits like a wet noodle. Of course, I could hot water bathe it, but, the oven is so much faster.
CC
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Those that can do. Those that can't complain. Pimpin ain't easy, but it's mandatory.
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Post by: r534me on January 28, 2010, 03:22:55 AM
Post by: jls on January 28, 2010, 08:34:44 AM
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JLS,
Once again you make me laugh. Do you want kudos for your basic lack of mastery of the king''s language. If so, search somewhere else. No, I do not think that perfect grammar is required or necessary. However, it amazes me that someone as opinionated as you could be so ignorant.
I have not bashed Kulick''s win. Actually, after Weber got kicked, I was pulling for her. It was her day, she showed up, she bowled, she kicked arse. None of this changes anything that I said about Barnes earlier.
BTW, why don''t you post your profile. Do you have something to hide. If so, make up a profile, claim it and post it. I am sure that it will make for great fictional reading.
And no, neither ball cracked. In fact, one of my teammates begged me to bake his VG, and for sure, it needs it. I left it in my car today. It was 50 degrees for a high, but bright and sunny. The ball was sweating oil sitting on my seat.
If the ball cracks, he says he does not care. It is not hooking and hits like a wet noodle. Of course, I could hot water bathe it, but, the oven is so much faster.
CC
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Those that can do. Those that can''t complain. Pimpin ain''t easy, but it''s mandatory.
Most things we like, we don''t need. Most things we need, we don''t like. Don''t confuse your likes with your needs.
Hey child, <<< CC that be you, don''t give me your crap about "don''t care"....
People on this site are KNOWN for trying to save a buck on a ball, so don''t go there with, "if it cracks, don''t care B.S.................
Now they have a professional machine that draws the oil out of a ball... It sells for $1595... plus frt.... The ball is in motion and the heat is controlled.. and I believe it is on a 10-20 minute cycle... Not 4 hours...
Do you have any idea, you simpleton, what it does to a ball when you exposed it to extreme heat over that long a period of time... It can lead to the core cracking and well as the shell...Too much expanding and contracting...
Now since I unlike you child, deal with this daily... I see it happen all the time...
People like you, clueless, bake their balls and when then crack, they run into the pro shops and CRY, "my ball cracked" "My last ball never did" "My Black Beauty lasted for 30 years"
So don''t even go there with your crap talk, "Don''t care" like your a money bowler... Your a keyboard pounder... nothing more...
Your a has been was not never was never will be...
Your a child trying to play Joe Pro Bowler while at work....
And because you must hate women, you bashed Kelly''s win over your golden boy...
Which is why, your a lowlife..
If Mika had won, I doubt you would have said that Mika screwed up Barnes shot...
Your a child, a clueless wan a bee trying to act like Joe Pro and give fools who will listen to your crap, advise... Bake your balls for 4 hours...
Your an idiot....
Now recess is over boy, go pee pee on the toy toy, cause we don''t want anymore accidents...Cause your still a bed wetter... And please, wash your hands after you pee on them... You still suck your thumb right...
and most of all boy
get lost, cause you bore me
and you ain''t ready for prime time...
AND ONE MORE THING YOU GEEK ENGLISH MAJOR WANA BEE..
Check your spelling.... Oh that''s right, when little geeks like you misspell a word, you call it a typo...
Boy... You Make Me Sick
now
are we clear
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 28, 2010, 09:27:03 AM
Somebody needs a hug.
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Post by: ccrider on January 28, 2010, 03:29:58 PM
Careful, you are telling too much about yourself. You deal with this all day. Hmmm?? So you work in the bowling field. Are you the laneman at your local alley. Or, are you the owner of a proshop, upset because you are not getting enough business for your rejuvenator? I hope things pick up for you soon.
As for me, not a kid, though I have a couple of children. Not an English major, though I double majored in Speech/Communication and Political Science. Close though, I did have a minor in English. Yes, I have graduate degrees as well. Played highschool basketball, football and ran track. Pledged the toughest college fraternity on campus too. Love to hunt and fish, and in recent years have picked up bowling and karate as additional hobbies. Don't claim to be a bowling expert like you.
Does this make me a geek in your eyes? If so, you have an inferiority complex that I can't help you with.
Sorry to cut you off as you seem to be benefiting from this therapy. I strongly suggest that you seek professional help to address your anxiety issues. Good luck.
CC
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Those that can do. Those that can't complain. Pimpin ain't easy, but it's mandatory.
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Post by: jls on March 01, 2010, 03:19:29 PM
I guess you only talk stupid talk when a women beats Barnes...
From the #2 spot....
Where you from, MayBerry, oops I meant San Fran...
Now I see your leaving Flush 6 pins.....
you throwing a backup ball
now back to doing what you do best...
table tennis with the women and children
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jls "hey listen up Obama, you wanna see my truck"... Jimmy James LS
Post by: BrianCRX90 on March 03, 2010, 07:01:21 PM
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Why is she in the TOC? I know she is a great bowler, but she never won a PBA tournament. She might have won a women's series event/major, but I just don't get why they put her in there.
THANK YOU. Finnally someone with the balls to say such a true statement! I was going to post this when she was in it much less won it but decided not to. I think her winning the tournament is incredible. On the otherhand, I think the credibility of the tournament has been destroyed. A few years ago me and many other people were sending emails to PBA.com to open up the field. At the time, the Tournament of Champions was nothing more then a simple bracket match play field which favored some players that loved best of ___ one on one play against another bowler which favored Jason Couch big time obviously.
The tournament was not big enough. They got to the point where a guy would win a PBA tournament and two years later was knocked off. I'm sorry, that's ridiculous. We didn't want everyone in the PBA that won a tournament to be in the TOC. Last thing we need is Eugene McCune (even though he was there this tournament wtf...)to keep being invited back from a tournament that he won many moons ago but for one the first thing we wanted is ANYone that won the TOC since it started and is alive should be a lifetime invite to bowl the tournament. So people like Marshall Holman, Wayne Webb, Steve Cook, Mark Williams, Mike Durbin, Mike Aulby etc would have a lifetime invite to the tournament. Also, open the tournament a little bit to have more bowlers.
However!! It doesn't mean invite regional bowlers or women series winners. Doesn't matter what regional bowler won what tournament even if it is the national regional event. Or what senior did what in whatever.Doesn't matter that a women won a women's major. These ARE NOT PBA TOURING EVENTS. Must be clear on that. PBA tour members earned their titles to be in this tournament. By allowing other pros in it from the different professional organizations diminishes the whole point of the TOC. I don't even think this is an argument. Now there is this merger USBCish attitude that we are all equal and should include everything.
So as far as I'm concerned not only should Kelly Kulick not have been there but same thing goes for Harry Sullins, Dave Wodka, Dave Arnold etc. This is just one of many examples how the PBA has done nothing last couple of years but screw everything up.
Post by: rvmark on March 04, 2010, 06:26:57 AM
Now with that being said I have no problem with him or Kelly bowling it is done and there is nothing anyone can do to change it. What I don't understand is why the same individuals that have been beating the drum about Kelly have not been pounding about Brian.
Mark
Post by: jls on March 04, 2010, 08:52:16 AM
quote:quote:
Why is she in the TOC? I know she is a great bowler, but she never won a PBA tournament. She might have won a women's series event/major, but I just don't get why they put her in there.
THANK YOU. Finnally someone with the balls to say such a true statement! I was going to post this when she was in it much less won it but decided not to. I think her winning the tournament is incredible. On the otherhand, I think the credibility of the tournament has been destroyed. A few years ago me and many other people were sending emails to PBA.com to open up the field. At the time, the Tournament of Champions was nothing more then a simple bracket match play field which favored some players that loved best of ___ one on one play against another bowler which favored Jason Couch big time obviously.
The tournament was not big enough. They got to the point where a guy would win a PBA tournament and two years later was knocked off. I'm sorry, that's ridiculous. We didn't want everyone in the PBA that won a tournament to be in the TOC. Last thing we need is Eugene McCune (even though he was there this tournament wtf...)to keep being invited back from a tournament that he won many moons ago but for one the first thing we wanted is ANYone that won the TOC since it started and is alive should be a lifetime invite to bowl the tournament. So people like Marshall Holman, Wayne Webb, Steve Cook, Mark Williams, Mike Durbin, Mike Aulby etc would have a lifetime invite to the tournament. Also, open the tournament a little bit to have more bowlers.
However!! It doesn't mean invite regional bowlers or women series winners. Doesn't matter what regional bowler won what tournament even if it is the national regional event. Or what senior did what in whatever.Doesn't matter that a women won a women's major. These ARE NOT PBA TOURING EVENTS. Must be clear on that. PBA tour members earned their titles to be in this tournament. By allowing other pros in it from the different professional organizations diminishes the whole point of the TOC. I don't even think this is an argument. Now there is this merger USBCish attitude that we are all equal and should include everything.
So as far as I'm concerned not only should Kelly Kulick not have been there but same thing goes for Harry Sullins, Dave Wodka, Dave Arnold etc. This is just one of many examples how the PBA has done nothing last couple of years but screw everything up.
Sir,
Did Harry or the two Dave's compete... Did they finish top 10 or top 20...
Miss Kelly finish 2nd... And then won...
She did indeed belong there...
And it was probably the best thing that ever happened for the PBA and bowling in general...
Even if it only lasted for a few days...
now get over it
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jls "hey listen up Obama, you wanna see my truck"... Jimmy James LS
Post by: BrianCRX90 on March 04, 2010, 10:43:24 AM
First of all SIR!! Who cares who placed where. What does that matter. And yes Dave competed. Here's the listing for the first round. He, Kelly Kulik and many others shouldn't even be allowed to throw the first ball much less win it. Your missing the whole point.
First Round (after 8 games)
1, Rhino Page, Wesley Chapel, Fla., 1,885
2, Mike Fagan, Patchogue, N.Y., 1,842
3, Jason Belmonte, Australia, 1,840
4, Sean Rash, Wichita, Kan., 1,833
5, Tommy Jones, Simpsonville, S.C., 1,825
6, Pete Weber, St. Ann, Mo., 1,815
7, Wes Malott, Pflugerville, Texas, 1,807
8, Robert Smith, Columbus, Ohio, 1,799
9, Walter Ray Williams Jr., Ocala, Fla., 1,797
10, Mika Koivuniemi, Howell, Mich., 1,796
11, Bryan Goebel, Shawnee, Kan., 1,792
12, Michael Haugen Jr., Carefree, Ariz., 1,783
13, Eugene McCune, Munster, Ind., 1,781
14, Wayne Webb, Sacramento, Calif., 1,774
14, Amleto Monacelli, Venezuela, 1,774
14, Ernie Schlegel, Vancouver, Wash., 1,774
17, Anthony LaCaze, Melrose Park, Ill., 1,766
18, Norm Duke, Clermont, Fla., 1,763
19, Danny Wiseman, Baltimore, 1,760
20, Dave Wodka, Chatsworth, Calif., 1,759
21, Patrick Allen, Wesley Chapel, Fla., 1,757
22, Harry Sullins, Chesterfield Twp., Mich., 1,756
23, Michael Machuga, Erie, Pa., 1,754
24, John Nolen, Grand Blanc, Mich., 1,739
25, Jack Jurek, Lackawanna, N.Y., 1,738
26, Kelly Kulick, Union, N.J., 1,737
27, Tom Smallwood, Saginaw, Mich., 1,730
28, Joe Ciccone, Buffalo, N.Y., 1,728
29, Dave D'Entremont, Middleburg Heights, Ohio, 1,726
30, Steve Jaros, Yorkville, Ill., 1,725
31, Brad Angelo, Lockport, N.Y., 1,715
32, Mike Scroggins, Amarillo, Texas, 1,713
32, Ritchie Allen, Columbia, S.C., 1,713
34, Parker Bohn III, Jackson, N.J., 1,709
35, Lonnie Waliczek, Wichita, Kan., 1,706
36, Scott Norton, Costa Mesa, Calif., 1,701
37, Chris Barnes, Double Oak, Texas, 1,699
38, Del Ballard Jr., Keller, Texas, 1,697
39, Tony Reyes, San Bruno, Calif., 1,694
40, Jason Couch, Clermont, Fla., 1,689
41, Mike DeVaney, San Diego, 1,685
41, Doug Kent, Newark, N.Y., 1,685
43, Christopher Collins, Savannah, Ga., 1,682
44, Hugh Miller, Mercer Island, Wash., 1,679
45, Ryan Shafer, Horseheads, N.Y., 1,678
46, Mark Williams, Beaumont, Texas, 1,676
47, Bill O'Neill, Southampton, Pa., 1,671
48, Brian Voss, Alpharetta, Ga., 1,670
49, Dale Traber, Cedarburg, Wis., 1,667
50, Dave Arnold, Dublin, Calif., 1,661
51, Tom Baker, King, N.C., 1,641
52, John Petraglia, Jackson, N.J., 1,633
53, Brian Himmler, Cincinnati, 1,628
54, Bryon Smith, Roseburg, Ore., 1,620
55, Rick Lawrence, Waxahachie, Texas, 1,605
56, Jeff Carter, Springfield, Ill., 1,604
57, Mike Mineman, St Louis, Mo., 1,602
57, Mike Wolfe, New Albany, Ind., 1,602
59, Roy Buckley, Westerville, Ohio, 1,570
60, Mike Edwards, Tulsa, Okla., 1,551
61, Dave Soutar, Bradenton, Fla., 1,531
62, Don McCune, Las Vegas, 1,526
63, Carmen Salvino, Schaumburg, Ill., 1,466
Post by: SleepOnIce on March 04, 2010, 11:32:12 AM
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on March 04, 2010, 12:02:22 PM
What makes me an expert? I know the difference between the PBA tour and other bowling tours despite them being on a professional circut. I can see the other side of the arguement but defintely don't agree with it.
Post by: H Man on March 04, 2010, 12:27:11 PM
Post by: jls on March 04, 2010, 02:22:12 PM
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Your right. We should allow bowlers from the JBT and Nabi too since it doesn't matter, right?
What makes me an expert? I know the difference between the PBA tour and other bowling tours despite them being on a professional circut. I can see the other side of the arguement but defintely don't agree with it.
Brian...
You're right, Kelly should not have been allowed...
She should know her place, which is to stay home barefoot and pregnant...Ya right...............
You posted the scores after 8 games.... Why....
I believe they bowled 48 games to make the step ladder show....
And after 48 games, Miss Kelly was 2nd....
Now she was invited based on what she did in a woman's event.
She did not make that rule...If you have a problem with that rule, why not attack the parties that made the rule....And leave Miss Kelly, The Barnes beater alone......
And after doing that....
Book a room, book a flight...
Off to San Fran you go... And once there, give Rice & Roni... kiss
you make me sick
now
are we clear
Now it's clear to see that you can't handle a women who can bowl...
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Post by: SleepOnIce on March 04, 2010, 05:28:58 PM
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Your right. We should allow bowlers from the JBT and Nabi too since it doesn't matter, right?
What makes me an expert? I know the difference between the PBA tour and other bowling tours despite them being on a professional circut. I can see the other side of the arguement but defintely don't agree with it.
If the PBA decides they want to let them bowl, and the PBA is running the tournament, sure why not? It's their tournament, let them do what they want with it.
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Post by: Jorge300 on March 05, 2010, 08:38:30 AM
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Why is she in the TOC? I know she is a great bowler, but she never won a PBA tournament. She might have won a women's series event/major, but I just don't get why they put her in there.
THANK YOU. Finnally someone with the balls to say such a true statement! I was going to post this when she was in it much less won it but decided not to. I think her winning the tournament is incredible. On the otherhand, I think the credibility of the tournament has been destroyed. A few years ago me and many other people were sending emails to PBA.com to open up the field. At the time, the Tournament of Champions was nothing more then a simple bracket match play field which favored some players that loved best of ___ one on one play against another bowler which favored Jason Couch big time obviously.
The tournament was not big enough. They got to the point where a guy would win a PBA tournament and two years later was knocked off. I'm sorry, that's ridiculous. We didn't want everyone in the PBA that won a tournament to be in the TOC. Last thing we need is Eugene McCune (even though he was there this tournament wtf...)to keep being invited back from a tournament that he won many moons ago but for one the first thing we wanted is ANYone that won the TOC since it started and is alive should be a lifetime invite to bowl the tournament. So people like Marshall Holman, Wayne Webb, Steve Cook, Mark Williams, Mike Durbin, Mike Aulby etc would have a lifetime invite to the tournament. Also, open the tournament a little bit to have more bowlers.
However!! It doesn't mean invite regional bowlers or women series winners. Doesn't matter what regional bowler won what tournament even if it is the national regional event. Or what senior did what in whatever.Doesn't matter that a women won a women's major. These ARE NOT PBA TOURING EVENTS. Must be clear on that. PBA tour members earned their titles to be in this tournament. By allowing other pros in it from the different professional organizations diminishes the whole point of the TOC. I don't even think this is an argument. Now there is this merger USBCish attitude that we are all equal and should include everything.
So as far as I'm concerned not only should Kelly Kulick not have been there but same thing goes for Harry Sullins, Dave Wodka, Dave Arnold etc. This is just one of many examples how the PBA has done nothing last couple of years but screw everything up.
Last time I checked....it was the PBA Women's Series....let me say that again so you can understand it PBA Women's Series. So Kelly did win a PBA event. Why do you continue to bring this up so long after the fact? Is your fragile male ego that easily bruised? Are you that much of a chauvinist? What is it? Kelly deserved to be there, the PBA said she deserved to be there. You say she didn't. Who wins? Let me help you with that, not you. Grow up a little will ya!
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Post by: ccrider on March 05, 2010, 11:31:59 AM
Hope your imaginary pro shop is doing well.
CC
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Gee CC, child... No stupid comments about how Barnes didn't have enough time to practice on that pair when Walter Ray Williams beat him...
I guess you only talk stupid talk when a women beats Barnes...
From the #2 spot....
Where you from, MayBerry, oops I meant San Fran...
Now I see your leaving Flush 6 pins.....
you throwing a backup ball
now back to doing what you do best...
table tennis with the women and children
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Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.
Post by: Juggernaut on March 05, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
HOWEVER, the Tournament of CHAMPIONS is merely a name, the name of an event owned by the PBA, thusly the PBA gets to set the rules of qualification, and can invite anyone they wish, whether they are really a CHAMPION or not.
Now, to clear things up, KK was NOT a PBA CHAMPION when invited. She won a limited entry, special event sponsored by the PBA, which the PBA deemed enough to extend an invitation. They get to do that because they OWN the thing.
She WAS NOT A PBA CHAMPION WHEN INVITED, but SHE IS NOW! She was obviously good enough, she proved that well enough by beating Mr. Versatility like a drum, but she technically WAS NOT a PBA CHAMPION, not until AFTER the TOC was over.
I, personally, don't think she should've been there, but I DO think she should be back. And I hope she wins the da*n thing AGAIN!
As a matter of fact, I wish the women would just be incorporated into the regular PBA and not have mens and womens events, just let them ALL be PBA members, competing equally. KK proved it can be done, so let it be done.
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Post by: OITSouthpaw on March 05, 2010, 12:12:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=reilly_rick&id=4936940
Post by: ccrider on March 05, 2010, 12:44:40 PM
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As a matter of fact, I wish the women would just be incorporated into the regular PBA and not have mens and womens events, just let them ALL be PBA members, competing equally. KK proved it can be done, so let it be done.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on March 05, 2010, 12:48:01 PM
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+1quote:
As a matter of fact, I wish the women would just be incorporated into the regular PBA and not have mens and womens events, just let them ALL be PBA members, competing equally. KK proved it can be done, so let it be done.
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Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.
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Post by: Bill Thomas on March 05, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
Edited on 3/5/2010 3:43 PM
Post by: BrianCRX90 on March 05, 2010, 02:51:28 PM
Post by: scotts33 on March 05, 2010, 02:51:44 PM
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Now, to clear things up, KK was NOT a PBA CHAMPION when invited. She won a limited entry, special event sponsored by the PBA, which the PBA deemed enough to extend an invitation. They get to do that because they OWN the thing.
I believe the USBC you and I sponsored the PBA Women's series not the PBA. Just for clarification. To the tune of close to 1mil. Cost of prize fund and production costs to ESPN. In turn the PBA Women's series is being talked about being dropped as part of the USBC's cost cutting measures.
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Post by: Juggernaut on March 05, 2010, 03:00:32 PM
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Now, to clear things up, KK was NOT a PBA CHAMPION when invited. She won a limited entry, special event sponsored by the PBA, which the PBA deemed enough to extend an invitation. They get to do that because they OWN the thing.
I believe the USBC you and I sponsored the PBA Women's series not the PBA. Just for clarification. To the tune of close to 1mil. Cost of prize fund and production costs to ESPN. In turn the PBA Women's series is being talked about being dropped as part of the USBC's cost cutting measures.
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That may have been the incorrect term. By sponsored, I meant promoted I guess, because it was presented WITh the regular PBA event AS a PBA event for the women. I have heard that the USBC funded it, I only meant the PBA publicized it.
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Post by: scotts33 on March 05, 2010, 03:07:02 PM
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quote:
quote:Now, to clear things up, KK was NOT a PBA CHAMPION when invited. She won a limited entry, special event sponsored by the PBA, which the PBA deemed enough to extend an invitation. They get to do that because they OWN the thing.
I believe the USBC you and I sponsored the PBA Women's series not the PBA. Just for clarification. To the tune of close to 1mil. Cost of prize fund and production costs to ESPN. In turn the PBA Women's series is being talked about being dropped as part of the USBC's cost cutting measures.
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Scott
That may have been the incorrect term. By sponsored, I meant promoted I guess, because it was presented WITh the regular PBA event AS a PBA event for the women. I have heard that the USBC funded it, I only meant the PBA publicized it.
Understand Juggernaut. Always good to bring to the fore so to speak as I believe most don't even understand that the USBC poured about a million into the 6 events and just cut 20 employees in TX.
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Post by: jls on March 05, 2010, 04:24:14 PM
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Funny Jls. I told you: NO MORE BULL CRAP FROM ME<<<<<<<<<<<,,, Fixed
Hope your imaginary pro shop is doing well.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Thankyou...
CCquote:
Gee CC, child... No stupid comments about how Barnes didn't have enough time to practice on that pair when Walter Ray Williams beat him...
I guess you only talk stupid talk when a women beats Barnes...
From the #2 spot....
Where you from, MayBerry, oops I meant San Fran...
Now I see your leaving Flush 6 pins.....
you throwing a backup ball
now back to doing what you do best...
table tennis with the women and children
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jls "hey listen up Obama, you wanna see my truck"... Jimmy James LS
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Those that can do. Those that can't complain. Pimpin ain't easy, but it's mandatory.
Most things we like, we don't need. Most things we need, we don't like. Don't confuse your likes with your needs.
CC
That's no more bull crap from you..... Now it is fixed....
move on
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jls "hey listen up Obama, you wanna see my truck"... Jimmy James LS