Author Topic: why no real THS yesterday (Read 3224 times)

lsf_21 · « **on:** November 24, 2008, 02:12:12 AM »

why are you going to call it the "ultimate scoring championship" and say your going to put a THS out and not do it? scores on tv were the same as usual and now house hacks are thinking more than ever that there as good as they are.
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Russell · « **Reply #1 on:** November 24, 2008, 11:54:25 AM »

I don't understand it either....I talked to a tour player a few days ago and he said that the pattern played a lot tougher than a house shot. There was massive OB right of 5 and you had to play the track or you had air.

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LaneHammer20 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 24, 2008, 11:58:00 AM »

ya, I was pretty confused with their thinking on this Tournament as well.
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230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #3 on:** November 24, 2008, 12:15:18 PM »

Was this the same pattern that PA and PB3 obliterated in qualifying? There were some errant shots and some suspect carry on yesterday's telecast. Sounds to me like it was just like league bowling by our house. Easy shot, poor carry, and bad execution. The only thing that was wrong was touting the event as the "Ultimate Scoring Championship". I've seen some pretty sick numbers on most Cheetah tournaments that would have made yesterday's scores look like a US Open shot.
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BrunsMike · « **Reply #4 on:** November 24, 2008, 12:20:18 PM »

Yeah yesterday was disaster I thought. I told a friend of mine to watch it because I thought scores were gonna be alot higher. Now he thinks he can beat them this saturday when we goto the Scorpion Championship Pro-Am. Im trying to tell him what they saw wasn't anything close to what we bowl on every week, guess hes going to have to learn the hard way when he plays the scorpion pattern like he does the house shot and either miss the 1-3 pocket everytime or channel it.

I did think 1 thing was rather ammusing, Mr. bashing the "leauge bowler" couldnt line up for squat in the title match.
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tenpin477 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 24, 2008, 12:26:37 PM »

It definately should not have been called the Ultimate Scoring Championship, however if you paid close attention you could see that it was obviously easier than usual. I saw a couple of shots that missed target that wound up strikes only because of the more open shot.

Monster Pike · « **Reply #6 on:** November 24, 2008, 12:29:29 PM »

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I did think 1 thing was rather ammusing, Mr. bashing the "leauge bowler" couldnt line up for squat in the title match.
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Yeah, while watching the replay today I was wondering what Scroggies thoughts were. I think the PBA took a step backward for the "I'm as good as the pros" crowd. Listening to all their comments made me think they were whiners. I wanted to go get em' some cheese. They should of just kept their collective yaps shut & bowled the danged tourney. They did themselves more of a disservice in my opinion.
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Maine Man · « **Reply #7 on:** November 24, 2008, 12:34:36 PM »

Scroggins was just throwing it like a "league bowler" on the show yesterday.

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J_w73 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 24, 2008, 12:47:26 PM »

I heard some concern about the PBA putting out an easy house shot and then the pros not shooting big numbers.. Which is essentially what happened.. but now they have the disclaimer of "it was a modified house shot" What is this modified house shot and how and why is it modified.. Put out the easiest shot possible for these guys and let them shoot on it. When I say these guys... I would think they would still need a higher volume of oil than the typical house shot just because of the high revs that most pros have or are capable of.

Someone mentioned how they bowled the chameleon championship on the pair in the morning live and then taped the USC at 3pm after the show.. like was stated in the post.. maybe the previous pattern affected the modified house shot they put down after..

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J_w73 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 24, 2008, 01:10:29 PM »

I agree.. I bowled a PBA league over the summer and it played nothing like the BOWL.COM spec sheets said to play it. Screwed me up for the first 3 weeks cause I was shooting for a shot that wasn't there..
Those spec sheets are for games 5, 6 ,7,8
For game 1,2 and 3 I think scoring for anyone is pretty tough.

J_w73 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 24, 2008, 01:14:34 PM »

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it was funny that before the tournament really got going Peterson was talking about how high the scores were going to be. and they ran down like ten 300 moments. then midway through the first game he was talking about how this pattern was tough and did not play like a house shot. some nice backtracking there. I don't think they should be bashing 90% of their audience (those who bowl in league), no wonder their sponsorship is crap and they have to pay for air time.

a suggestion going forward- how about showing the hour before the pba sport shot tournaments start, when bowlers are throwing 40 grit to kill the oil. better yet, why not throw 2 balls on the pair like college bowling and actually bowl on the pattern being advertised. that would bring some credibility to what we are watching and to the sport in general.

Why don't they admit that the majority of the people that watch the show are bowlers and cater towards them. Show the patterns, Show the lines they are playing. feature the balls, layouts, and surfaces that the bowlers are using.
Have more of the features like Peterson showing how you can get away with shots on the House shot.. or later on in the show . Show what balls you can go to or ways to adjust your shot for carrydown.
One thing that people have said on many boards is to actually show where the oil is and how it moves with some sort of additive in the oil... I don't think this would be difficult to create... unless they don't want us to know.

Why do we have to be guessing what equipment the pros are using on message boards.. They should showcase it as part of the show. The only problem is maybe they don't want to when the bowlers aren't using the "good" stuff that ball manufacturers want us to buy..

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Necromancer · « **Reply #11 on:** November 24, 2008, 01:56:57 PM »

The PBA is run by idiots. They ALL failed to realize that the more 300 games, the better. It was already stated it would be the THS so there would be no talk of it being an easy shot. It is supposed to be easy. This was the PBA's chance to really show how beyond the average bowler they are. 18 300 games? That was nothing. It wasn't even the record for a tournament. 24 was the record and that was on a regular PBA shot.

PBA took one big step backwards!
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Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #12 on:** November 24, 2008, 02:06:47 PM »

PBA bowling is lame....I watch it because I bowl, but someone who doesn't most likely isn't going to watch it.

I think the additive to show where the oil is would be a good idea too, since they stress so much about how much tougher PBA conditions are than league shots. Do you guys ever notice though, every week on TV, the players play the shots identical. I mean besides when it's the Open or something.

It looks like the way a league bowler would play a league shot...
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Necromancer · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2008, 02:10:42 PM »

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PBA bowling is lame....I watch it because I bowl, but someone who doesn't most likely isn't going to watch it.

I think the additive to show where the oil is would be a good idea too, since they stress so much about how much tougher PBA conditions are than league shots. Do you guys ever notice though, every week on TV, the players play the shots identical. I mean besides when it's the Open or something.

It looks like the way a league bowler would play a league shot...
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From my experience the PBA patterns aren't even the hardest shots out there. They should get rid of those 5 fruity patterns and stick with basic patterns that describe the shot. IMO, the shots the PBA should have:

-Reverse Hat Shot (super dry middle, super oily near gutters) - hard as hell tournament shot - I average around 160 on it
-THS
-Flat US Open Shot
-& Maybe one of those 5 fruity patterns.

Keep it simple PBA! Those 5 animals are stupid!!!
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J_w73 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 24, 2008, 02:31:38 PM »

I'm not sure what the PBA does or is trying to do. If they are trying to convince us that the PROs are better than the Joes.. We (bowlers) all know that..

but a 180 is a 180.. it isn't a great score.. a 180 vs 198 may be a great match but those aren't great scores. The difficulty of the lane condition doesn't translate to the ordinary viewer. Put the high scoring condition out there and let them shoot on it. The general public doesn't want to see a perfectly executed shot.. They have no idea or care if the guy missed his mark by two boards and that is why he left a wash out.. they want to see high scores, pin action, guys running out shots, yelling "yeah baby!!" clutching their head when they leave a stoned 9 pin to lose the match.
A true baseball fan loves a 0 VS 0 pitcher's duel. The average fan wants to see a roided up Barry Bonds smash balls into the ocean.

they need to attract viewers. They need gimicks.. cause gimicks work with todays society. Talk about bowling to the average person and I guarantee you will get a King Pin reference about a ball with a rose in it or something like that. They don't know anything about the sport of Bowling.

They need to figure out why bowling was so huge in the late 70's and 80's , update it and bottle it and try to sell it to us.

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