Post by: bowl 2 win on December 10, 2007, 05:54:10 AM
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Post by: baccala8872 on December 10, 2007, 01:59:12 PM
A: Because that slap out on his first shot in the 10th was unbearably caucasoid and horrific.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 01:59:13 PM
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 02:00:28 PM
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Q: Why no talk about PA and his 10th win?
A: Because that slap out on his first shot in the 10th was unbearably caucasoid and horrific.
Yeah that about sums it up. I hope a bunch of new viewers because of the time slot weren't laughing their arses off or scratching their heads after that one.
I watch bowling and that guy's reactions confuse me.
Post by: FastTracker33 on December 10, 2007, 02:00:30 PM
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Post by: baccala8872 on December 10, 2007, 02:02:14 PM
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Q: Why no talk about PA and his 10th win?
A: Because that slap out on his first shot in the 10th was unbearably caucasoid and horrific.
Yeah that about sums it up. I hope a bunch of new viewers because of the time slot weren't laughing their arses off or scratching their heads after that one.
I watch bowling and that guy's reactions confuse me.
Yeah, he almost missed his own hand. That would have been a major ouch!! I wouldn't necessarily put this one up there with Carl Lewis trying to sing the national anthem, but it's close.
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Post by: pop_1 on December 10, 2007, 02:03:56 PM
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 02:07:02 PM
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Yeah, he almost missed his own hand. That would have been a major ouch!! I wouldn't necessarily put this one up there with Carl Lewis trying to sing the national anthem, but it's close.
That would have been epic. I just hope someone was flipping through the channels and caught PA going into a complete freakout. I hope it scared a few children before going to bed.
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Post by: bowl 2 win on December 10, 2007, 02:07:57 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 02:11:51 PM
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Post by: bowl 2 win on December 10, 2007, 02:16:11 PM
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Post by: bowl 2 win on December 10, 2007, 02:27:31 PM
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Post by: axeweldr on December 10, 2007, 02:29:06 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 02:30:04 PM
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Would he have ten titles if he was a righty?
Oh noes! Someone mention XIANS quick...
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Post by: Deathclutch on December 10, 2007, 02:31:23 PM
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Would he have ten titles if he was a righty?
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Post by: bowl 2 win on December 10, 2007, 02:33:58 PM
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Post by: bowl 2 win on December 10, 2007, 02:38:16 PM
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Post by: Deathclutch on December 10, 2007, 02:40:22 PM
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Would he have ten titles if he was a righty?
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You guys are all insane and so ridiculous.
1. He's not righty.
2. Biggest shot of his career, he deserves to be happy and slap it out.
3. Why does it matter so much when lefties or righties win/shutout? You create your own breaks and any one of the 150 or so that try every week could win any week. Get off PA, he's happy, rightfully so for the biggest shot/tourney/game of his career
Doesnt matter to me if lefties or righties win. In my opinion I just dont think he would be as successful on the right side.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 10, 2007, 02:41:22 PM
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2. Biggest shot of his career, he deserves to be happy and slap it out.
Of course, and you know they want these guys to be themselves out there on the lanes.
My question is: Is slapping it out (or whatever it's called) supposed to look cool? Every time I see someone do it... It doesn't quite work out.
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Post by: DP3 on December 10, 2007, 02:45:08 PM
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Post by: shelley on December 10, 2007, 02:49:29 PM
But PA is only in his mid-30s, barring injury he's probably got another 10 years left in him. I'll be surprised if he doesn't pick up another 5-7 titles in that time. He hits 15 titles and starts brushing the $1.5M mark, you might could wonder why he isn't in the HoF. That's a much higher level of performance over a longer period of time and makes it almost a no-brainer to HoF him.
I'd kinda like to see a point system instead of the hard criteria they have now. 1 point for a standard title, three or four points for a major title. A point for, say, a 300 on TV or ## TV appearances. 5 points for a 20-year career. A couple of points for each million in career earnings. A point for a worthwhile record that stands for more than X years. You want to be eligible for the HoF, you need 30 points. The guy who gets red-hot for two or three years but quits or gets hit by a but might not get in. No way to know if his performance was really sustainable. The guy who spends 30 years on the tour, wins every couple of years, makes a few shows every year, and stands the test of time, he gets in.
SH
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Post by: Big_Daddy_357 on December 10, 2007, 03:09:50 PM
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You might be able to argue that he should not be in the HoF if he retired tomorrow. Lots of folks with 10 titles, after all. It is a definite achievement, but perhaps not worthy of being called the cream of the cream of the crop. He's been a top-10 player for only a few years, he doesn't have the history of being a big name like most of the HoF does. In that sense, maybe putting him in the HoF is premature.
If his passion for BEER continues/equals that of bowling, he'll make the HoF without question!!! Next trophy should be a Bar Stool! ...
BTW, very good bowler!
Post by: Monster Pike on December 10, 2007, 03:18:13 PM
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I didn't say anything about him winning his 10th title because I think the guy's a douche bag. I don't like his attitude or what he does on TV. He's an adult and he acts like he's 12 on TV. That's why I don't like him. I thought bowling was better off without him on TV.
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Wow, for once I have to agree with you on something. I know he referred to winning his 10th but not sure what he was screaming down at the pins after that shot. Something out of his hands or someone that's been doubting him's hands, couldn't quite tell who the comment was meant for cuz he wasn't facing the camera. Wes Malott even looked bewildered.
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Post by: dw23 on December 10, 2007, 04:02:50 PM
Post by: Joebowler98 on December 10, 2007, 04:23:00 PM
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Post by: justdale on December 10, 2007, 04:25:43 PM
Does what PA did yesterday give him a chance, sure it does, besides the 10 title he does have a major, and a player of the year honor.
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Post by: Necromancer on December 10, 2007, 05:26:37 PM
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Post by: balibowler on December 10, 2007, 05:42:53 PM
Post by: bowl 2 win on December 10, 2007, 06:18:51 PM
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Post by: Maine Man on December 13, 2007, 02:41:04 AM
Patrick Allen
10 titles
1 Major
1 POY Award
Over $1,000,000 in career earnings
If he had some catastrophic career ending injury right now (which I certainly hope never happens to anyone), I would put him in the HOF based on the stats above in the timeframe it was done.
If, however, he bowls for another 10 years on tour and bowls subpar and wins no more titles, I would have to say he would not get in because he would not have that consisitency over the longer period of time to be considered with the all time greats in the HOF.
I think that realistically, as long as he bowls around 10 more years on tour (which should happen barring injury), and as long as he gets to 15 titles in that span of 10 years, or one more Major or POY award in that time frame regardless of how many titles he ends up with, he should be a lock for the HOF. I feel that PA is one of the best bowling minds out on tour right now (even though he is quirky on TV). If you ever get to meet him and talk with him, he is very personable and knowlegeable about the game of bowling. I hope he gets in the HOF someday, because as a fellow lefty, I admire a lefty who is very cerebral about the game of bowling and leaves it all out there every time out. Just my .02.
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Post by: MVbowler on December 13, 2007, 08:50:47 AM
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Yes, I believe he would have. The left side is'ent as easy as everyone makes it out be be. There are plenty of weeks that the lefties are completly shut out. Look at this season for example, he is the first lefty to win and also is the higest lefty in points. There are not many other lefties in the top 40 right now, only 3 others besides PA.
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This isnt true... Rhino Page is up there in rankings, and he is a lefty... not even exempt either
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on December 13, 2007, 10:12:41 AM
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 13, 2007, 10:16:31 AM
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Well, it's a shame we just can't turn all pro bowlers into robots or cyborgs or something, because then all you crybabies wouldn't have to whine about how traumatic it is that you have to be subjected to watching the human beings on the lanes being HUMAN...of course, then you'd be whining that the sport was missing emotion, passion, and the human element...
Hehe I love when people take things completely the wrong way. No one asked for cyborgs or robots.
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Post by: renaissanceman517kak on December 13, 2007, 10:24:20 AM
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on December 13, 2007, 10:26:27 AM
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Well, it's a shame we just can't turn all pro bowlers into robots or cyborgs or something, because then all you crybabies wouldn't have to whine about how traumatic it is that you have to be subjected to watching the human beings on the lanes being HUMAN...of course, then you'd be whining that the sport was missing emotion, passion, and the human element...
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Hehe I love when people take things completely the wrong way. No one asked for cyborgs or robots.
Well your comments were at least tongue-in-cheek, unlike some of these others, from whose reactions you would surmise that the end of Western Civilization was at hand because Patrick Allen did a goofy clap...
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on December 13, 2007, 10:27:42 AM
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I still think PA looks like he has Down syndrome...
Now that's funny...I've had that thought myself...
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 13, 2007, 10:40:30 AM
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Well, it's a shame we just can't turn all pro bowlers into robots or cyborgs or something, because then all you crybabies wouldn't have to whine about how traumatic it is that you have to be subjected to watching the human beings on the lanes being HUMAN...of course, then you'd be whining that the sport was missing emotion, passion, and the human element...
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Hehe I love when people take things completely the wrong way. No one asked for cyborgs or robots.
Well your comments were at least tongue-in-cheek, unlike some of these others, from whose reactions you would surmise that the end of Western Civilization was at hand because Patrick Allen did a goofy clap...
Who said it was the end of the world? It was just a really big event for the PBA and the end came of as kind of embarrassing to me. Maybe others feel that way, I don't know. Just sharing a personal opinion on the way the show came off to me. Some people can't stand watching WRW bowl but I just take their opinion for what it is and agree to disagree. Every viewer has their own preferences, right?
That said, I never said I don't like watching the guys get emotional, freak out, talk smack or whatever it's just some of them have that natural charisma about it and some don't.
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REEEAAAAARGH!!!! THAT'S TEN!!! TEEEEN!!!! ITS OUT OF MY HANDS NOW ITS IN YOURS!!! RARRRRGH!!!! AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WASHINGTON DC TO TAKE BACK THE WHITE HOUSE!
Edited on 12/13/2007 11:41 AM
Post by: renaissanceman517kak on December 13, 2007, 10:47:14 AM
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 13, 2007, 12:26:23 PM
Poll Results
Is Patrick Allen's resume PBA Hall of Fame worthy?
Yes 44%
No 56%
Total Number of votes: 4081
Just thought it was relevant since people were discussing that.
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Post by: BowlingWolf on December 13, 2007, 01:01:06 PM
I enjoy watching him, he IS genuine.
I do very much believe PA deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Reason PA doesn't have more titles is simply because he joined the professional ranks at a slightly advanced age; prior to that he was a top notch amateur bowler, competing and doing quite well in many amateur tournaments around the country (not to mention some action bowling).
I remember seeing him at a scratch tournament in Staten Island around the end of the 1980's, and his game was effortless, smooth, and sweet.
It is not a surprise to me that he has been able to adjust at the professional level (has been turning it on now for the last 5 years after "learning" the different conditions), and I would be very surprised if he didn't win a bunch more titles before he retires, making the argument of whether or not he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame a moot point.
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Post by: Rick Wunder on December 13, 2007, 01:46:42 PM
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Wasn't he also the one who made the comment of "Just like a league bowler" during the tournament in Milwaukee this year. I hope the guy is more personable and fun to be around in person. But to denigrate his accomplishments because he is left handed is sophomoric.
no, that was Mark Scroggins.
he is hilarious to be around.
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And, FWIW, I enjoy watching PA on TV, and I don't have any problem with any of his "antics." I also feel that he deserves to be in the PBA HOF, when the time comes.
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Post by: dw23 on December 13, 2007, 03:25:25 PM
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